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On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291? Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up.
In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread.
Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match.
Another point. about rsoultin prior post I wanted to throw out as an FYI.
ykl isn't a newb. Whilst new to this forum, ykl has expressed experience with the game in other formats.
Not really sure why rsoultin was trying to push this out. scum is scum whether newbie or not.
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On March 20 2018 16:00 Mocsta wrote:Rayn,Work with me on ykl please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=yklOn one hand, I find ykl to be calm, open and displaying a bona fide motivation to contribute. On the other hand, I find the content to be very reactive, and in some ways, forced. I can see this coming from town or scum - what are you current thoughts? + Show Spoiler [ykl thoughts] +
#232 still feels to me like TMI
- DF may be annoying a few people, but ykl is the only that states he is muddying up waters.
- The Convo/Ex0 read I still find an odd position to hold; as forum/IRL games both have players capable of "getting the ball rolling" as scum. My only pause is that many players do treat this as a heuristic - So it is not necessarily a false claim to state.
#260 alludes to the heuristic being based on experience. So I could drop that convo/Ex0 read as a scum tell in isolation.
#269 is an odd interpretation of events and the addition of "misguided" requires ykl to assume I think n00bking is scum.
This is against what ykl has communicated as a read, which I believe, should trigger a query to me.
#279 can be interpreted as mimicking thread sentiment at worst, or a change of opinion with new knowledge at best.
Suddenly, moosy/NK are considered scummy. Interestingly enough, should this not also result in an adjustment to Ex0 and Conversion who have now called out scummy people?
#286 now inserts OMGUS as a reason to consider NK. Perhaps was already tending towards this outcome in #269.
(Sorry, small aside, what's an OMGUS?)
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On March 20 2018 16:16 ykl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 16:00 Mocsta wrote:Rayn,Work with me on ykl please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=yklOn one hand, I find ykl to be calm, open and displaying a bona fide motivation to contribute. On the other hand, I find the content to be very reactive, and in some ways, forced. I can see this coming from town or scum - what are you current thoughts? + Show Spoiler [ykl thoughts] +
#232 still feels to me like TMI
- DF may be annoying a few people, but ykl is the only that states he is muddying up waters.
- The Convo/Ex0 read I still find an odd position to hold; as forum/IRL games both have players capable of "getting the ball rolling" as scum. My only pause is that many players do treat this as a heuristic - So it is not necessarily a false claim to state.
#260 alludes to the heuristic being based on experience. So I could drop that convo/Ex0 read as a scum tell in isolation.
#269 is an odd interpretation of events and the addition of "misguided" requires ykl to assume I think n00bking is scum.
This is against what ykl has communicated as a read, which I believe, should trigger a query to me.
#279 can be interpreted as mimicking thread sentiment at worst, or a change of opinion with new knowledge at best.
Suddenly, moosy/NK are considered scummy. Interestingly enough, should this not also result in an adjustment to Ex0 and Conversion who have now called out scummy people?
#286 now inserts OMGUS as a reason to consider NK. Perhaps was already tending towards this outcome in #269.
(Sorry, small aside, what's an OMGUS?) This is too cute I had to burn a post. But not adding this to the tally.
OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck.
Basically, Player A votes Player B.
Player B goes.. ohh my god.. Player A is totally scum because how could anyone think I am scum.
Player B then votes Player A - hence OMGUS.
perhaps rsoultin was right and you are a newbie. Or you two successfully gamed me in the scumQT.
btw, QT = quicktopic  LOLLOLOLOLOL
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On March 20 2018 16:03 rsoultin wrote:
Oh yeah also thought the exo reads were decent, both the tone ones (I think that was mocsta) and the content ones (viva?). I really don't like his posting either. Would take that with a grain of salt though because I don't tend to townread exo like ever. Something about his tone has a habit of pinging me.
yeah, that is kinda my problem here as well. totally misread and ml him in hosts revenge and the liquidmania qualifier I played in.
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On March 20 2018 16:00 Mocsta wrote:Rayn,Work with me on ykl please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=yklOn one hand, I find ykl to be calm, open and displaying a bona fide motivation to contribute. On the other hand, I find the content to be very reactive, and in some ways, forced. I can see this coming from town or scum - what are you current thoughts? + Show Spoiler [ykl thoughts] +
#232 still feels to me like TMI
- DF may be annoying a few people, but ykl is the only that states he is muddying up waters.
- The Convo/Ex0 read I still find an odd position to hold; as forum/IRL games both have players capable of "getting the ball rolling" as scum. My only pause is that many players do treat this as a heuristic - So it is not necessarily a false claim to state.
#260 alludes to the heuristic being based on experience. So I could drop that convo/Ex0 read as a scum tell in isolation.
#269 is an odd interpretation of events and the addition of "misguided" requires ykl to assume I think n00bking is scum.
This is against what ykl has communicated as a read, which I believe, should trigger a query to me.
#279 can be interpreted as mimicking thread sentiment at worst, or a change of opinion with new knowledge at best.
Suddenly, moosy/NK are considered scummy. Interestingly enough, should this not also result in an adjustment to Ex0 and Conversion who have now called out scummy people?
#286 now inserts OMGUS as a reason to consider NK. Perhaps was already tending towards this outcome in #269.
I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I think ykl:s posting has been fairly logical and -- as you said -- can come from town or scum. Well i would say more likely town, but again, i don't understand what you are trying to ask me?
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I'm here but I definitely need more caffeine to decipher this thread
I'll be posting once I get into work
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not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock).
but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post.
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caffeine is a real good idea btw
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On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291? Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up. In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread. Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match.
I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post.
Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either:
1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or
2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again.
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oh and for the record moosy voting himself is totally nai too.
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I will also retract from my townread on Conversion because his reasoning to scumread noobking was in fact quite shitty and not what i thought it was.
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On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote:
not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock).
but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post.
Can you please not do this....
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On March 20 2018 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote:
not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock).
but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. Can you please not do this....
mh. not sure who made you my boss, but I guess I could try or something.
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On March 20 2018 16:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 15:56 rsoultin wrote:
Feeling good about Rayn (means seems town so far for people who need reads laid out super obvious like)
Some of what mocsta is pinging on reminds me of his town game, so maybe his entrance was just bad. Worth still monitoring given I townread him throughout his last scum game.
Don't like the ykl scumread. I'm not really reading him anything but I think giving a newbie space to get his bearings rather than jumping down his throat is worthwhile. Also it's just a shit read. There's nothing tmi-like about saying you don't think ppl are scum but they're probably on the wrong track imo.
Slam is not giving me the adorable aimless vibes. I usually love reading his posts and keeping him around. Might be scum.
I've read everyhing else but these are the only things that stuck in my head lol >< will comment further later in the day when I have more free time. Hi Tina, Im near my post cap, but felt compelled to burn one. I dont like this post at all from you, and it has nothing to do with OMGUS. - The free Rayn read is pointless as town. He has not come under any scrutiny, and this seems opportune given he is online. - The read on me is very wishy-washy. I will let this slide in isolation; however, at some point you cannot keep defaulting to "he was in my trust-circle one game - never trust again" - The ykl read is interesting and primarily why you have got me burning a post. For all this effort to defend ykl.. I really should be a stronger read than "wishy-washy". After all, you painted the picture prior that I could be scum. Seems that you are just struggling to lie about it now.- Lastly, between page 7 - 15, its peculiar that the only things of merit worth discussing are Rayn/Kelsier and Mocsta/ykl. If ykl is such a poor read from me; why not comment on ykl read on n00bking. What about Koshi read on disinfo which has also had some airtime. What about Vivax push on Ex0_. Yes, I might have to consider getting slam drafted in to lay some of that "espresso shit" lol P.S. Take a position on me, bbygur1 Post 13 / 15
I didn't remember who all (it wasn't just you) started in on the ykl nonsense. Yes, I call it nonsense, because it is. Slam pinged me more because 1) he's not giving me those aww you're so adorably cute vibes that I love so much from him and 2) he already scolded people for scumreading/voting ppl for nothing and then goes and does the same to ykl.
Rayn is a townread because I've played with him a million times and he is town. Period. I'd stake my hat on that.
I'm leaning town on you and am perfectly entitled to be as wishy-washy as I damn well please. Don't mistake pinging me out as scum in last game as having a good read on me, because if you are town this game, this just proves you don't lol ><
Ykl could be anything. But what he has posted never makes him scum here.
Don't remember ykl's read on noob.
Don't care about any of koshi's reads so far.
Already mentioned ExO.
Time for class now. Toodles.
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I have to agree Slam seems somehow... idk.. angry?
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hmm... I think I kinda like vivi. At least ExO_ seems like he would like to strangle vivi and when ppl want to strangle vivi he is more likely town.
wish I hadn't such a shitty track record when it comes to reading ExO_ for that matter. I like vivi's posts on ExO_, but I vaguely recall ExO_ being more agreeable as scum?
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huh?
@Mocsta: why did you unvote ticktick? Oo
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On March 20 2018 11:55 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 11:44 Tictock wrote:On March 20 2018 11:38 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 11:22 Vivax wrote:On March 20 2018 11:12 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 11:04 Vivax wrote:On March 20 2018 10:57 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now you got me even more confused. point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far. point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts. Rayn never made that second point did he? You’re putting words in his mouth and then agreeing with them....what I dont understand is why. I don’t like it — Scum reading Kelsier. Though I’ll admit I’m not a fan of HF’s posts...I think HF is either VT or scum — not sure which. ????????? What a contrived way of saying nothing Either he’s VT and doesn’t care enough to try, or scum and not saying much And how does that further your goal of finding scum if that can be said for anyone else in the game? IE he's town or mafia. That much is obvious. Anyone is town or mafia. The addendums you just put there don't change the fact that it's a completely pointless statement to make? He’s VT or mafia — not blue. That’s the distinction here First off, I have no idea how on earth you believe that you can tell if HF is a role or not based on his ~4 posts. Second, there is literally no reason why town should be concerned about someone being a role or not in the first few hours of the game. Third, even IF you did somehow have a god read about HF's role status you should realize it is only in Mafia's interest to point that out. ##Vote: ExoI just can't believe you actually have this "role read", and can be this bothered by Vivax pinging you to hard defend it as town. This is a super-terrible reason to vote against someone. It is only in Mafia's interest for a TOWN player to point it out. It's not really in Mafia's interest at all for Mafia to point it out. What is the Mafia motivation supposed to be, for making such an observation?
Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read.
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Holyflare can you tell me what is your read on noobking and why?
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On March 20 2018 16:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 16:16 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 16:00 Mocsta wrote:Rayn,Work with me on ykl please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=yklOn one hand, I find ykl to be calm, open and displaying a bona fide motivation to contribute. On the other hand, I find the content to be very reactive, and in some ways, forced. I can see this coming from town or scum - what are you current thoughts? + Show Spoiler [ykl thoughts] +
#232 still feels to me like TMI
- DF may be annoying a few people, but ykl is the only that states he is muddying up waters.
- The Convo/Ex0 read I still find an odd position to hold; as forum/IRL games both have players capable of "getting the ball rolling" as scum. My only pause is that many players do treat this as a heuristic - So it is not necessarily a false claim to state.
#260 alludes to the heuristic being based on experience. So I could drop that convo/Ex0 read as a scum tell in isolation.
#269 is an odd interpretation of events and the addition of "misguided" requires ykl to assume I think n00bking is scum.
This is against what ykl has communicated as a read, which I believe, should trigger a query to me.
#279 can be interpreted as mimicking thread sentiment at worst, or a change of opinion with new knowledge at best.
Suddenly, moosy/NK are considered scummy. Interestingly enough, should this not also result in an adjustment to Ex0 and Conversion who have now called out scummy people?
#286 now inserts OMGUS as a reason to consider NK. Perhaps was already tending towards this outcome in #269.
(Sorry, small aside, what's an OMGUS?) This is too cute I had to burn a post. But not adding this to the tally. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Basically, Player A votes Player B. Player B goes.. ohh my god.. Player A is totally scum because how could anyone think I am scum. Player B then votes Player A - hence OMGUS. perhaps rsoultin was right and you are a newbie. Or you two successfully gamed me in the scumQT. btw, QT = quicktopic LOLLOLOLOLOL
Sorry to burn your post quota like that but that actually did fly over my head.
Now to actually add to the conversation, I'm slightly more interested in the post where you scumread Ticktock, I'm not really seeing where you're drawing the conclusion that he is one from, care to help elaborate? I know you unvoted but it would still help if you can provide the reasoning behind what prompted you to do so in the first place.
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