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On March 24 2018 16:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit.
I recognize the only reason I am so peeved by your arrogance is because of the extent of my own.
But man you can’t get anywhere in this game humbly. I recognize that now.
But there comes that point where you are being blinded by it, that’s just more than I like to see, idk.
-pokes- you seem to have a pretty good handle on noob. I'm not clear on your posts...do you think he's scum this game? It seems like maybe you don't.
You were talking about how they played on the other site and scum basically playing chicken shit. What bugs me most about noob is his focus on afkers to the exclusion of everything but his counterwagon this phase. Am I wrong to be bugged by that? I.e. is that just how he's been taught to scumhunt on the other site because scum there are chicken shit?
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My devil's advocate says he's not chicken shit scum so he should know better.
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On March 24 2018 17:28 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 17:21 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit.
I recognize the only reason I am so peeved by your arrogance is because of the extent of my own.
But man you can’t get anywhere in this game humbly. I recognize that now.
But there comes that point where you are being blinded by it, that’s just more than I like to see, idk. -pokes- you seem to have a pretty good handle on noob. I'm not clear on your posts...do you think he's scum this game? It seems like maybe you don't. You were talking about how they played on the other site and scum basically playing chicken shit. What bugs me most about noob is his focus on afkers to the exclusion of everything but his counterwagon this phase. Am I wrong to be bugged by that? I.e. is that just how he's been taught to scumhunt on the other site because scum there are chicken shit? I have 2 quick comments on this, but I'll let him answer first. Remind me, if needed.
Will do.
Gonna be away for a few hours but then I'll be at pc. Would still like answers to my questions to you.
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Heh, I really like where your head's at regarding palmar's response to disformation.
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On March 24 2018 20:38 Mocsta wrote:
Conversion is town???
Interesting
We'll know tonight, but probably -_- I'm not going to do him the same discourtesy others did me by assuming he has no emotions when he plays scum.
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I think it's fair to say that your response to Superbia's claim was stronger than it was to disinfo's. Nor do I think it negates NK's point? The context of that game...(I think it's the one where JAT and I called for no CC, rayn, but I haven't checked that cause it's irrelevant) It's http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/506344-a-normal-game-just-for-jat-3
Anyway, the context of that game had Superbia claiming 'blue' right before EoD.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I can't make it any clearer than this right now. DO NOT LYNCH ME. nice, last minute "claim" On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:hard claim, now. On April 17 2016 06:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:57 Superbia wrote:On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:On April 17 2016 06:55 Superbia wrote:
I'm a PR you dipshits. hard claim, now. Nope. makes me want to stay on you. you're a doc or a vig, either way you will be fucking murdered tonight. On April 17 2016 06:58 Palmar wrote:
ok whatever claim tomorrow.
I'm off for tonight and probably most if not all tomorrow
gl
These posts all happened within 1-2 minutes of each other. Not sure why NK choose to leave part of your post out, but I don't think it's misrepping anything regardless.
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Also I've got a splitting headache that I don't want to take pain meds for because I can't take ibuprofen anymore without puking my guts out, and unless coincidence is just hammering me, that's started happening with acetaminophine as well @.@
So if I'm in and out a lot today, that's why.
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On March 24 2018 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:The thing with Palmar's approach to disformation during D1 and after is this. I actually thought about that too there since i think disformation is mafia and originally i figured it would be beneficial for Palmar to do what he did if he is mafia with disformation. The problem i have with that line of thought is the following: We can probably agree Palmar isn't completely unaware of what happens in the game, especially close to the lynch D1. If Palmar is mafia there is actually zero benefit for him to downplay his accusation on disformation after the claim because: 1) thread sentiment suggest not lynching disformation anymore 2) he can use that as a cover up into eternity for not doing anything other than saying "lynch disformation" Therefore i came to conclusion that this: Show nested quote +My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo. ...line of thought has to be legit thought process and the only explanation for "breaking character" is this. There is literally zero reason for Palmar to break character here regardless of disformation's alignment since not doing so ONLY helps his mafia play because it's correct (1) metawise, (2) noone can blame him fro that, (3) it gives him an excuse to not do anything. If disformation is mafia, the seed of bussing would have been implemented already before the claim so it makes no sense for him to not continue that. If disformation is town, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Palmar should "lay off" him like he did. Here is an example of Palmar breaking character as mafia. One big game there was we had a similar type of situation where Vivax claimed a role D1 when being lynched. Palmar is known for his "lynch claimers" policy, although he is a bit of a hypocrite in that tbh, lots of words why it's the best play, always do the opposing thing.... I, in that game, kept my vote on Vivax and tried to get him lynched because i didn't think the claim means anything. Palmar comes in -> says he reads me town -> says he will sheep me -> votes for the counter-wagon Rels. That is how Palmar breaks character as mafia, doing something completely illogical that fucks him up immediately + Show Spoiler +(except that it doesn't since none of the plebs were able to lynch him in that game while me and Artanis shouted all N1 "Palmar is mafia" and got both killed N1) . TLDR; There is zero reason for Palmar to break character he is very well aware of regardless of disformation's alignment. Another thing is the coag townie seal that noobking talked about. I can't understand how he can come to a conclusion that "if Palmar is mafia he is lying" because i think that's a completely unnatural thought. There are more players in the game who know coag than Palmar, and the reason why noone is "contesting" the townie seal "case" is because well.. that's how it is. I can't figure out where the line of "if Palmar is mafia then he can be lying" comes from because that's not an option for him as mafia regardless of coag's alignment. I am not sure why noobking throws all these things into trash and just follows one line of thought (which is definitely less likely than this). This is not even any sort of meta thing, this is just "why would town/mafia do this and how likely" which is what he loves all that much (like i do).
Hm, I was kind of liking noob's palmar digging because that's the sort of thing that I would do, and the sort of thing that would ping me. A discrepancy in game perception: see issues with slam and conversion this game, moosy last game, etc.
I agree with you on palmar that I don't see the benefit for him doing that as scum here. It was just making me feel a bit better about noob, though I wanted to keep the pressure on to see what he came up with.
You're right about his approach to the coag point, though. It's not a matter of lying. It's a matter of, do you think Palmar convinced coag in their scum qt that this was the game that he was going to break his meta for ultimate glory? Or, conversely, that Palmar focused on that rather than other things just to look like he was doing something.
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On March 24 2018 22:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:The thing with Palmar's approach to disformation during D1 and after is this. I actually thought about that too there since i think disformation is mafia and originally i figured it would be beneficial for Palmar to do what he did if he is mafia with disformation. The problem i have with that line of thought is the following: We can probably agree Palmar isn't completely unaware of what happens in the game, especially close to the lynch D1. If Palmar is mafia there is actually zero benefit for him to downplay his accusation on disformation after the claim because: 1) thread sentiment suggest not lynching disformation anymore 2) he can use that as a cover up into eternity for not doing anything other than saying "lynch disformation" Therefore i came to conclusion that this: My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo. ...line of thought has to be legit thought process and the only explanation for "breaking character" is this. There is literally zero reason for Palmar to break character here regardless of disformation's alignment since not doing so ONLY helps his mafia play because it's correct (1) metawise, (2) noone can blame him fro that, (3) it gives him an excuse to not do anything. If disformation is mafia, the seed of bussing would have been implemented already before the claim so it makes no sense for him to not continue that. If disformation is town, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Palmar should "lay off" him like he did. Here is an example of Palmar breaking character as mafia. One big game there was we had a similar type of situation where Vivax claimed a role D1 when being lynched. Palmar is known for his "lynch claimers" policy, although he is a bit of a hypocrite in that tbh, lots of words why it's the best play, always do the opposing thing.... I, in that game, kept my vote on Vivax and tried to get him lynched because i didn't think the claim means anything. Palmar comes in -> says he reads me town -> says he will sheep me -> votes for the counter-wagon Rels. That is how Palmar breaks character as mafia, doing something completely illogical that fucks him up immediately + Show Spoiler +(except that it doesn't since none of the plebs were able to lynch him in that game while me and Artanis shouted all N1 "Palmar is mafia" and got both killed N1) . TLDR; There is zero reason for Palmar to break character he is very well aware of regardless of disformation's alignment. Another thing is the coag townie seal that noobking talked about. I can't understand how he can come to a conclusion that "if Palmar is mafia he is lying" because i think that's a completely unnatural thought. There are more players in the game who know coag than Palmar, and the reason why noone is "contesting" the townie seal "case" is because well.. that's how it is. I can't figure out where the line of "if Palmar is mafia then he can be lying" comes from because that's not an option for him as mafia regardless of coag's alignment. I am not sure why noobking throws all these things into trash and just follows one line of thought (which is definitely less likely than this). This is not even any sort of meta thing, this is just "why would town/mafia do this and how likely" which is what he loves all that much (like i do). Hm, I was kind of liking noob's palmar digging because that's the sort of thing that I would do, and the sort of thing that would ping me. A discrepancy in game perception: see issues with slam and conversion this game, moosy last game, etc.
I agree with you on palmar that I don't see the benefit for him doing that as scum here. It was just making me feel a bit better about noob, though I wanted to keep the pressure on to see what he came up with.You're right about his approach to the coag point, though. It's not a matter of lying. It's a matter of, do you think Palmar convinced coag in their scum qt that this was the game that he was going to break his meta for ultimate glory? Or, conversely, that Palmar focused on that rather than other things just to look like he was doing something.
To be even more clear for you, rayn, I didn't think it had bearing on Palmar's alignment. I was prodding into noob's.
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On March 24 2018 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Coag has been tried to convince that in scum qt earlier and it didn't work.
I agree that the above thing is something a townie would say, but i kind of disagree it makes noobking townier because of how he looks at things and here he seems to be working completely differently than for example with his stuff on Tictock.
That being said i also think Tictock looks way better for his latest posts.
If I can keep focused long enough, I need to double check HF's reasons for wanting TT dead. I do remember something about TT defending mocsta before reading or something, but it's hazy. I definitely don't think his post at the start of today was weird at all.
Yeah, that was the other thought. The timing on noob pushing that.
I'm just going to do that now while it's still fresh and then maybe try to sleep this off.
And, really, I feel like TT and disinfo have been some of the people most actively digging this day phase. TT you could argue is on the chopping block, so it's not as alignment indicative for him. But yeah.
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On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either:
1) noobking is mafia with lurkers
2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers
That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all.
You're not supposed to say this before he answers my questions ;o;
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On March 24 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 22:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either:
1) noobking is mafia with lurkers
2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers
That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all. You're not supposed to say this before he answers my questions ;o; He will still fuck up if he is mafia.
True. And if he's town, I like how he thinks with that poke into Palmar. Worth keeping around.
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On March 24 2018 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 22:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2018 22:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either:
1) noobking is mafia with lurkers
2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers
That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all. You're not supposed to say this before he answers my questions ;o; He will still fuck up if he is mafia. True. And if he's town, I like how he thinks with that poke into Palmar. Worth keeping around. I think here is where we disagree. 
Lol, if this game has proven anything, it's that I'm at least a bit narcissistic; oooh he looked at something the way I would have! -snorts-
Between that and Rels and pouting over HF and ExO (and conv though I think it's okay if I say that I want to still believe there's a chance he's scum so that I didn't fuck that up too bad), my ego is getting entirely too much in my way this game.
FF/ykl/ksc I guess is where your head's out regarding afkers? Need to reread ksc. Ykl I think...god in a vacuum his behavior since D1 looks scummy. Factoring in that he's a newbie and this is a 20-player game I think reduces that to a coin flip.
And I have no clue how to read FF. Damdred's the one who seems to have that nailed and I was content to let him do that, since I usually have no trouble with Damdred's alignment. I want to avoid the same trap of 'no way am I the one person you want to lynch' trap that I fell into with Rels. But I still do find it strange that he's like 'rsoul scum' then 'but i could sheep onto the wagon that my one scumread is on'.
Should do a proper filter dive for KSC, though.
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On March 24 2018 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 22:52 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Coag has been tried to convince that in scum qt earlier and it didn't work.
I agree that the above thing is something a townie would say, but i kind of disagree it makes noobking townier because of how he looks at things and here he seems to be working completely differently than for example with his stuff on Tictock.
That being said i also think Tictock looks way better for his latest posts. If I can keep focused long enough, I need to double check HF's reasons for wanting TT dead. I do remember something about TT defending mocsta before reading or something, but it's hazy. I definitely don't think his post at the start of today was weird at all. Yeah, that was the other thought. The timing on noob pushing that. I'm just going to do that now while it's still fresh and then maybe try to sleep this off.And, really, I feel like TT and disinfo have been some of the people most actively digging this day phase. TT you could argue is on the chopping block, so it's not as alignment indicative for him. But yeah. What does that mean?
The headache @.@. It's not quite at nauseous level but it's getting there.
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On March 23 2018 07:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him. Have not read your case, but since when is changing ones mind a scummy thing to do? Pretty sure that is much more likely to come from town. I’m realizing that I am probably defending Mocsta more than I should, but I am starting to suspect HF is scum. The last time I saw him have a narrow and unwavering focus like this he was scum. Noting this to remind myself to look into it later.
Oh, this. Yeah, I don't think this makes TT scum, either lol >< It also has the benefit of being correct. Not regarding mocsta's alignment, but regarding reads changing.
I was really getting the impression that HF was CONVINCED mocsta was scum, and thus getting all suspicious of anyone and everyone who didn't want to lynch mocsta with him.
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On March 24 2018 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2018 22:52 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Coag has been tried to convince that in scum qt earlier and it didn't work.
I agree that the above thing is something a townie would say, but i kind of disagree it makes noobking townier because of how he looks at things and here he seems to be working completely differently than for example with his stuff on Tictock.
That being said i also think Tictock looks way better for his latest posts. If I can keep focused long enough, I need to double check HF's reasons for wanting TT dead. I do remember something about TT defending mocsta before reading or something, but it's hazy. I definitely don't think his post at the start of today was weird at all. Yeah, that was the other thought. The timing on noob pushing that. I'm just going to do that now while it's still fresh and then maybe try to sleep this off.And, really, I feel like TT and disinfo have been some of the people most actively digging this day phase. TT you could argue is on the chopping block, so it's not as alignment indicative for him. But yeah. What does that mean? The headache @.@. It's not quite at nauseous level but it's getting there. No i mean are you planning to follow up on D2 or not?
Of course? I plan on diving KSC now, and I'll be back later. Sorry, I was referring to a nap not sleeping the whole afternoon/evening away.
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On March 24 2018 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing though. Tell me how am i supposed to work with darthfoley? I try aggressive, it's a shitfest, i try calm and nice, he doesn't do shit.
Nh. Yeah I don't really have an answer to this. Townread him last game for what he was posting D1 mostly, and I don't find him hard to work with. Enjoyable even. But he still fucked off and did shit all so -shrugs-
Well, I mean the easy answer is to say he could be scum. It's like beetlejuice. He suddenly appears! But I don't know how that helps you work with him if you think he's town.
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On March 24 2018 23:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2018 22:56 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2018 22:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either:
1) noobking is mafia with lurkers
2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers
That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all. You're not supposed to say this before he answers my questions ;o; He will still fuck up if he is mafia. True. And if he's town, I like how he thinks with that poke into Palmar. Worth keeping around. I think here is where we disagree. Lol, if this game has proven anything, it's that I'm at least a bit narcissistic; oooh he looked at something the way I would have! -snorts- Between that and Rels and pouting over HF and ExO (and conv though I think it's okay if I say that I want to still believe there's a chance he's scum so that I didn't fuck that up too bad), my ego is getting entirely too much in my way this game. FF/ykl/ksc I guess is where your head's out regarding afkers? Need to reread ksc. Ykl I think...god in a vacuum his behavior since D1 looks scummy. Factoring in that he's a newbie and this is a 20-player game I think reduces that to a coin flip. And I have no clue how to read FF. Damdred's the one who seems to have that nailed and I was content to let him do that, since I usually have no trouble with Damdred's alignment. I want to avoid the same trap of 'no way am I the one person you want to lynch' trap that I fell into with Rels. But I still do find it strange that he's like 'rsoul scum' then 'but i could sheep onto the wagon that my one scumread is on'. Should do a proper filter dive for KSC, though. yes More diving. Less pontificating about people not even in this game. Like im too lazy to play this cycle so trying not to add waste to my filter Yoy should try it
Why so mean? It's not like that was the only thing that post was about?
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No, KSC is not scum. Not unless he failed to read his role pm until N1 and then went bah!
Just...too much sarcasm. DF scumread makes sense because that's exactly what DF did his last scum game. Most of his EoD comments were directly related to his read on DF. I can see why people find the mocsta thing weird. I could come up with an explanation for that but he should just answer that question whenever (if) he comes back.
The bit about him failing to read his role pm is mostly a joke...he actually did in a game that I played scum with him in, though lol ><
But his D1 is definitely town KSC. Almost 100%
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I thought DF's scumread on me based on my poorly worded post regarding noob was okay. It was definitely poorly worded.
I don't really recall anything he's said since D1, though. And both you and KSC were really sure. KSC's read on him, as I mentioned, was valid regarding just OMGUSing people who scumread him. I don't think it's terribly hard to change in a game once you've realized you've done it, is the thing.
Will dive him after my nap @.@
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