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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 06:47 GMT
#161
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 06:55 GMT
#162
On March 06 2018 15:30 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia

agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.

What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same.

I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way.

Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia."

I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see?

The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE.

So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it.

That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer.

I didn't twist anything. They're two separate statements.

That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing.

Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him.

You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense?

AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 06 2018 06:56 GMT
#163
On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.

I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.

I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town


You get a cookie.


I'm diabetic, are you trying to kill me!!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 06:57 GMT
#164
On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI

Hi moosy!

Kinda bored with the setup talk.

Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 06:58 GMT
#165
On March 06 2018 15:56 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.

I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.

I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town


You get a cookie.


I'm diabetic, are you trying to kill me!!

!

-takes back the cookie-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 06:58 GMT
#166
On March 06 2018 15:55 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:30 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia

agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.

What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same.

I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way.

Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia."

I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see?

The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE.

So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it.

That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer.

I didn't twist anything. They're two separate statements.

That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing.

Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him.

You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense?


If I recall correctly this is exactly how the old n00bKing I knew of old was like. Always fussing with fine details I would just gloss over
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
March 06 2018 06:58 GMT
#167
On March 06 2018 15:55 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:30 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia

agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.

What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same.

I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way.

Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia."

I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see?

The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE.

So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it.

That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer.

I didn't twist anything. They're two separate statements.

That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing.

Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him.

You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense?



Sounds good, thanks for clarifying.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 06:59 GMT
#168
On March 06 2018 15:57 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI

Hi moosy!

Kinda bored with the setup talk.

Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about?

whaaaaaaaa
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 07:00 GMT
#169
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 06 2018 07:01 GMT
#170
On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia

agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.

What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same.

I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way.

Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia."

I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see?

The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE.

So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it.

That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer.


I like this. He basically said I'm town medic and slipped
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
March 06 2018 07:04 GMT
#171
On March 06 2018 15:57 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI

Hi moosy!

Kinda bored with the setup talk.

Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about?


What don't you like? I like the idea of having a second medic vote, so that's the singular reason I gave him town points.

I'm terrible at reading tone, lol so am I right in saying you have a tone read on him?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 07:04 GMT
#172
On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences:

Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours!

Hey guys do you have any thoughts?

The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 07:05 GMT
#173
On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.

Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation.

Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later.

And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 07:08 GMT
#174
AYO cilax is the setup 3 medic/town vs mafia?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 06 2018 07:08 GMT
#175
The setup is the one in the op.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 07:09 GMT
#176
On March 06 2018 16:04 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 15:57 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI

Hi moosy!

Kinda bored with the setup talk.

Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about?


What don't you like? I like the idea of having a second medic vote, so that's the singular reason I gave him town points.

I'm terrible at reading tone, lol so am I right in saying you have a tone read on him?

Less tone and more not contributing anything.

And no I don't count suggesting the optimal strategy both hf and I pointed out pre-game as a contribution. <- Also thought someone else made that anyway but yeah. It doesn't substantially change my read. Hf and I were going to push that strat anyway so weaksauce.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 07:09 GMT
#177
On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences:

Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours!

Hey guys do you have any thoughts?

The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving.

Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post.

On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known.


Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was)

idk I'm not good at this game tho
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 07:11 GMT
#178
On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.

Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation.

Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later.

And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation.

I'd say no, thus, bored.

Let's talk reads!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
March 06 2018 07:12 GMT
#179
On March 06 2018 16:09 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:04 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 15:57 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI

Hi moosy!

Kinda bored with the setup talk.

Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about?


What don't you like? I like the idea of having a second medic vote, so that's the singular reason I gave him town points.

I'm terrible at reading tone, lol so am I right in saying you have a tone read on him?

Less tone and more not contributing anything.

And no I don't count suggesting the optimal strategy both hf and I pointed out pre-game as a contribution. <- Also thought someone else made that anyway but yeah. It doesn't substantially change my read. Hf and I were going to push that strat anyway so weaksauce.


You're not wrong. I guess I'm giving Damdy slack since I think the only person who's done anything was n00bking. I don't count HF due to NAIness of what he did.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 07:15 GMT
#180
On March 06 2018 08:34 Damdred wrote:
Welcome town Fecalfeast, and maybe so moosydoosy. But do you think we should have a secondary vote and force the medics to act as a vig shot every night for our second kill?


Okay yeah fair it was him.

As I said though this is null -shrugs-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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