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On March 06 2018 16:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. Not sure how it's an alignment indicative thought process though? Given how I'd treat it as scum. How would scum know if your claim were true or not?
A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing.
A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though.
Doesn't look right to me.
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On March 06 2018 16:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:33 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. Not sure how it's an alignment indicative thought process though? Given how I'd treat it as scum. How would scum know if your claim were true or not? A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing. A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though. Doesn't look right to me.
To be fair, i only said it meant nothing in regards to your alignment. Not absolutely nothing as in no information whatsoever.
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On March 06 2018 16:38 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:36 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:33 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. Not sure how it's an alignment indicative thought process though? Given how I'd treat it as scum. How would scum know if your claim were true or not? A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing. A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though. Doesn't look right to me. To be fair, i only said it meant nothing in regards to your alignment. Not absolutely nothing as in no information whatsoever.
Yeah, you did the latter one :p
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On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.
Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation. Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later. And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation. I'd say no, thus, bored. Let's talk reads! By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it.
I just feel it's less valuable to have claims out with a mafia medic and rb in the game.
Rb one medic. Double up on the one with the bad scum read. Kill the third.
Medics neutralized. Once one is dead no more town but shots. Once two no more town saves.
And if we have town fake-claiming that also defeats the purpose of a mass claim day 1.
I see the counter-argument okay but really I think it makes more sense to delay the discussion at least a day phase.
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We'll see how it goes. Do some things tube.
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On March 06 2018 16:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 16:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.
Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation. Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later. And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation. I'd say no, thus, bored. Let's talk reads! By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it. I just feel it's less valuable to have claims out with a mafia medic and rb in the game. Rb one medic. Double up on the one with the bad scum read. Kill the third. Medics neutralized. Once one is dead no more town but shots. Once two no more town saves. And if we have town fake-claiming that also defeats the purpose of a mass claim day 1. I see the counter-argument okay but really I think it makes more sense to delay the discussion at least a day phase.
hmmmmmm
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Mass claiming is dumb until late game. One medic claiming and coordinating kills through reads and other people is anti-dumb.
Enough about mass claiming.
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On March 06 2018 16:34 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. lol ok. In this instance I think you are capable of making a medic claim in any situation. Fake, real, mafia, or town and any combination. I also think that it's probably true but I don't have any idea if it's town medic or mafia medic. You can certainly lynch me for that if you want to, but seems silly to me.
Wait so are you saying you think he's medic or he's not? This post is really confusing
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On March 06 2018 16:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:33 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. Not sure how it's an alignment indicative thought process though? Given how I'd treat it as scum. How would scum know if your claim were true or not? A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing. A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though. Doesn't look right to me.
Hm. I see the narrative it just feels...meh to me. Like i don't really have a read on tubesock but this doesn't make me want to scumread him more?
It just makes me think he's gullible regardless of alignment lol >< I don't see how only scum can be gullible.
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On March 06 2018 16:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:34 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. lol ok. In this instance I think you are capable of making a medic claim in any situation. Fake, real, mafia, or town and any combination. I also think that it's probably true but I don't have any idea if it's town medic or mafia medic. You can certainly lynch me for that if you want to, but seems silly to me. Wait so are you saying you think he's medic or he's not? This post is really confusing
I believe his claim is true. You do know there is a mafia medic right? and 3 town ones?
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Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?
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On March 06 2018 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Mass claiming is dumb until late game. One medic claiming and coordinating kills through reads and other people is anti-dumb.
Enough about mass claiming.
I'm just going to fight the paranoia bug and place you with my other cookie (and diabetic alternatives) monsters 
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On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?
Nope.
I think the idea that only scum get salty is hilarious. You also don't seem to understand why I was "pricky". Do you understand what I didn't like about n00bking?
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On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?
Now this is a good reason to push a tubesock.
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On March 06 2018 16:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia. What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I like this. He basically said I'm town medic and slipped Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him? You do realize that I think HF is either town medic or mafia medic.....how is that making nice?
Cuz 75% of the medics are town. If someone says they're a medic and you immediately are like "yeah, I believe him" then if you're scum and believe HF to be one of the stronger town players, it could be an attempt to make him feel like he has an ally in you. You also instantly put damdred in your "town pile" for reasons that are...not real strong.
Due to those things, it would be good if someone who knows your history could tell us whether you're someone who tends to randomly take claims at face value (as opposed to someone who is generally skeptical of them) and whether you're someone who tends to try and buddy up to notable Town players when you're Scum.
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On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?
When did he do that?
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On March 06 2018 16:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response? When did he do that?
Amg called tubesock's scumread town.
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On March 06 2018 16:30 rsoultin wrote:
Let me make this abundantly clear:
What I saw while Damdred was IN THE THREAD was not detective Damdred. It was please be friends with me Damdred. The first is town.
K.
On March 06 2018 16:31 Holyflare wrote:
The op was not announced as changed, the opening post didn't state any changes were made. If the host said they might change something and did but didn't inform us then that's dumb. Send them a PM if you want answers though.
K. I totally agree it would be dumb. And you would know how the hosts do things around here better than I would, so I'll assume there's a 99% chance the setup matches the OP.
Which means that yes, I'll send them a PM to check. lol
/OCD
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On March 06 2018 16:49 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:23 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
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agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.
What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I like this. He basically said I'm town medic and slipped Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him? You do realize that I think HF is either town medic or mafia medic.....how is that making nice? Cuz 75% of the medics are town. If someone says they're a medic and you immediately are like "yeah, I believe him" then if you're scum and believe HF to be one of the stronger town players, it could be an attempt to make him feel like he has an ally in you. You also instantly put damdred in your "town pile" for reasons that are...not real strong. Due to those things, it would be good if someone who knows your history could tell us whether you're someone who tends to randomly take claims at face value (as opposed to someone who is generally skeptical of them) and whether you're someone who tends to try and buddy up to notable Town players when you're Scum.
No one knows me on here. I play 4 games a year. Well that's a lie kinda, last couple years I played probably twice. I guess you could look back on my previous games (not all appear though). If I were scum, I'd just avoid Holyflare and kill him at night. Although I have gotten in two shitfights with him as mafia.
So, what are your thoughts about his claim? I just don't think there's much of a reason to fake claim. As either mafia or town it sets up plays which i think HF is all about. town/mafia he claims early and has a better chance of controlling the night kill to who he wants. I'm having a difficult time thinking of a reason that's plausible to fake claim.
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On March 06 2018 16:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:51 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response? When did he do that? Amg called tubesock's scumread town.
Oh that's what he meant. Carry on then.
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