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On March 07 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Meh. I'm actually leaning towards thinking I was wrong and you're town rsoultin I just hate to admit it. Suspicions are suspicions though so I'm still keeping my eye on you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's fair. I was questioning you because unless this game is super easy I'm townreading a mafia.
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On March 07 2018 18:47 Holyflare wrote:
Forever ago? I've lynched him as town for those exact same reasons. Also this tube shit is tedious as fuck.
I mean I don't disagree that anyone can be afk as town obviously.
Can you clarify your list for me? Because I read it as a lynch order with afks being last, which implies townreads on everyone else? And that obviously doesn't make sense.
And Id still like to know which holes you're referring to regarding df.
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On March 07 2018 19:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 18:47 Holyflare wrote:
Forever ago? I've lynched him as town for those exact same reasons. Also this tube shit is tedious as fuck. I mean I don't disagree that anyone can be afk as town obviously. Can you clarify your list for me? Because I read it as a lynch order with afks being last, which implies townreads on everyone else? And that obviously doesn't make sense. And Id still like to know which holes you're referring to regarding df.
Afks first in terms of lynch, last in terms of reads. Basically I want to know where your null bar falls and am assuming that's where you are on the afks.
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On March 07 2018 19:34 Holyflare wrote:
it's a descending town order with afks being in a different plane of existence
-facepalms-
I really don't see why it's so hard to be clear on where your townreads and and scumreads start. I can assume based on other comments and probably be right but it's a pretty simple matter to just answer directly.
Whatever. I'm not going to keep hanging my head against that wall. As long as you have at least one scumread not wanting to lunch afk people makes sense. And it seems you do despite not being clear on the actual breakdown of your list.
What holes were you referring to regarding df?
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On March 07 2018 19:51 AMG wrote:
Whats so hard to understand about his list? Top to bottom in order of towniess. Towns at the top, scum at the bottom. AFK's hes not even going to consider because by definition of being AFK's they haven't even posted yet
I think I made it pretty clear that I wanted to know where his null line fell -shoos-
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On March 07 2018 19:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, it's really not too complex lol.
Holes. In df's posting.
I do not understand why you refuse to answer ><
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Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later.
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On March 07 2018 20:26 Vivax wrote:The "HF fakeclaims as town and mafia" endless discussion between tube and noob annoys me but at least makes noob appear townie cause he's so stubborn about that little wording detail. One more out of the way for today. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
You get a cookie. Handing cookies to the wrong people? Why did he get a cookie? Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 15:55 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 15:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
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agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.
What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I didn't twist anything. They're two separate statements. That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing. Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him. You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense? If I recall correctly this is exactly how the old n00bKing I knew of old was like. Always fussing with fine details I would just gloss over Is this a townread? Cause I just wrote up the same and it makes me townread him. I don't understand this whole thingy about tubesock calling HF medic. Seems like he's being misrepped since he also clarified it sufficiently in my opinion. It does make noobking come out as townie but why is tubesock mafia for any of this? The synopsis was that HF can fakeclaim mafia as town or medic where did tubesock mean it in any other way, poor wording excluded?
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I may just put my vote right back on you. Which is a shame. Because I was completely ready to just vote HF forever, off of what amounts to a 'screw my initial wifomy impression, I don't believe you act this way as town even if I generally find you obstructive as town lately', which admittedly is probably bad play based on emotion but could just possibly hit scum anway.
The cookie was for ignoring the boring mechanics talk and his noob read, which I agreed with. The prickly comment I more or less ignored. (Though your entry did make me think that maybe I should revisit that).
What I don't like is the disjointedness to your return.
Can you tell me in more detail what makes you think moosy and I are town? Posting a lot is a bad answer. I'd prefer specific posts if possible.
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On March 07 2018 21:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share? Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 20:24 rsoultin wrote:
Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later. Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.
By the way, this was unnecessary.
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On March 08 2018 04:30 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 20:03 AMG wrote:
this wagon on Vivax is a farce. Lynching someone who hasn't posted when you've got plenty of stuff in the thread to work with is just lazy.
He flips scum, what do we learn? nada. squat. I mean yay we got a scum, but its just dumb ass luck if he flips scum. Conversely he flips town, everyone on his wagon says 'welp he was afk, had it coming', and we chuck an entire cycle away.
Lots of bad reasoning here, imo. Lynching an afk player at the end of D1 is not the same as chucking the cycle away. All of the D1 discussion and voting still happened (and analysis of it can still have value) even if you settle on a player who hasn't posted, at the end The only thing that would marginalize the value of the D1 discussion is if everyone knew throughout the phase that ultimately an afk player will be lynched. That definitely has not been the case in this game. Additionally, for a player who isn't posting to flip scum in this game may not be "just dumb ass luck." While rsoul said that no-showing the game thread was more scum-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser, I think no-showing the game thread can be scum-indicative in THIS game, for ANY player, regardless of that player's personal history, given the fact that so much of the pre-game discussion revolved around the idea that the setup is heavily town-favored. Under those conditions, any player who pulled a scum role could be more likely to no-show the main thread than they ordinarily would be. Speaking of rsoul's comment that no-showing the thread is more alignment-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser...if that's how she felt, then after HF says Vivax is actually prone to going afk as either alignment, and Vixax makes an appearance, and rsoul takes her vote off of Vivax, I don't know why she wouldn't just go to the next stop, and put the vote on Kelsier. How is that not the natural next step in the progression/thought process? And it's not like as if she's even passing over that logical next step in favor of some other logical vote. She's passing over the logical next step in favor of just not voting. When she asked Moosy who her scummates would be and I said that one of them would almost have to be Kelsier or chaoser, I was at least half-joking, and maybe more like 90% joking. But everything that's happened since then has sure followed that script, so if one of those players eventually flips red, I think she would need additional scrutiny. Based on the current vote count, I'm gonna go read the DF filter. Back soon.
Your criticism is both fair and logical but disregards that
1) I have not been here
2) When I came back I was clearly inclined to scumread HF which always beats out null reads...It being most alignment indicative for vivax to afk does not mean I thought he was more scummy ago than an actual scumread
3) When I came back I found it weird that vivax was only commenting on the beginning of the game while making reads on people that seeme only possible to come from later in the game...thus disjointed
So yeah. Basically your logic makes sense out of context but is pretty moot now. Particularly since I think it was obvious I was proving my t ownreads because I thought I was probably wrong on someone.
Making all the above fairly ironic given I'm inclined to neither scumread HF nor vivax again but whatever ><
Ff apparently forgetting his scumread on me and bouncing all over the place like a jumping bean is sneezing me out, though.
Thanks, HF.
On mobile and I want to read some filters. I should be home with a little less than an hour before deadline, but will be checking in periodically when I have Wi-Fi.
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On March 08 2018 04:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'll be nice rsoul and summarise some brief points:
DF picks up on things that the ordinary player would call scummy and makes a passing comment and drops it. There is no follow up nor care to what he sees, it's just observations.
DF makes posts calling people scummy and only elaborates on one of those people while having said absolutely nothing about the others or alluding to why they are mafia.
DF then says something to me about sharing 75% of the same reads so why did I say he looks bad but then does he actually care what I reply?
Nah, it's all just filler posts and no actual want to solve anything. I don't even know what this means. I obviously care what you replied, but you didn't explain shit and I wasn't in the mood to try and get it out of you because I didn't feel like being ignored a la rsoultin. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:51 darthfoley wrote:On March 07 2018 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Actually df I've reread your filter and I think you're below prplhz instead. Lots of holes and pointlessness imo. okay I'm sorry your sarcasm senses weren't tingling Regarding to "not alluding to why they are mafia" I think this post alludes pretty obviously Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. Not sure what this is referring to. I feel like AMG has been pretty open so far
Yeah you make it hard for me to consider voting you for completely non-game related reasons lol ><
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On March 08 2018 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even know what your last post actually is. Is it a scum read or a town read? It's the first third contradicting what I said, the next third saying he's doing scummy things and the last third saying he's not mafia because he does scummy things?
Lol >< Yeah that confused me, too.
Lot of text for too scummy to be scum.
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On March 08 2018 06:21 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 06:10 rsoultin wrote:
Your criticism is both fair and logical but disregards that
1) I have not been here
2) When I came back I was clearly inclined to scumread HF which always beats out null reads...It being most alignment indicative for vivax to afk does not mean I thought he was more scummy ago than an actual scumread
3) When I came back I found it weird that vivax was only commenting on the beginning of the game while making reads on people that seeme only possible to come from later in the game...thus disjointed 1) You were here when you unvoted Vivax. If you had no better place to put the vote than the next no-show in the progression (Kelsier) then that's where it should have gone. If you did have a better place to put the vote (like a new scumread) then it should have gone there instead. Leaving yourself as a non-voter just looks like "Kelsier is where my vote was logically supposed to go next, but...I don't wanna." 2) Yet you voted against Vivax, and did NOT vote against HF. 3) Then you could have put your vote BACK on Vivax before leaving, instead of just threatening him about how you were tempted to. I don't get people's reluctance to just place a damn vote, but there's too much of it going in for me to label it as a scum-indicator. Anyway, assuming we both survive the lynch, this discussion can wait til the Night Phase. It isn't something that needs to be occupying space in the thread while we're less than 2 hours from the lynch. And I won't get bug-eyed over any of it unless one of Kelsier/chaoser flips Red anyway.
Not sure why you bothered posting it in the first place then but okay.
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On March 08 2018 06:30 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin, did you take a look at DF in the meantime?
Reading through moosy I noticed he pointed out how you had DF on the radar for his entrance but I don't see much investigation into him afterwards even now that he's been in the spotlight for a while (hopefully I didn't miss anything).
To answer your previous question regarding my reads on you and Moosy:
I ruled you out based on tone and amount of content when I started playing and skimmed a bit. You bossing around the thread and Moosys general involvedness.
Just some heuristic early townreads to get started and reduce the pool of peeps I'm looking into. Those are superficial reads so prone to change as the game goes on.
Fair on the reads, though your posting in general already had me feeling better about you.
I still feel that his posting on his return is solid, probably because he was mirroring a lot (though not all) of my thoughts. This holds true on a re-read. Looking at HF's points, there's only one that I kind of agree with, and that's only in part.
I think I remember you posting about DF, too? So I'm going to review that now that I'm home.
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On March 08 2018 07:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 07:11 Vivax wrote:
If I'm already talking about Tube and AMG and your response is just "I'm a medic no lyncherino pls" then I don't know how to spark interest into you finding a better lynch other than yourself. I disagree with you about AMG and I think Tubesock is a decent lynch and the points against him have been hashed out already. I'm not sure what you expect of me? I think FeFe/prplhz/Tubesock are good lynches. I prefer FeFe or prplhz over Tubesock, but Tubesock is fine. Don't lecture me about interest when you magically come into the thread as a wagon forms on you and have a filter 1/4 of mine
Yeah that was the one point. I don't think that you ever mentioned your reasons for tubesock, though I was filtering by mobile so take that with a grain of salt.
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On March 08 2018 07:17 darthfoley wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: prplhz
I don't prefer prp.
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On March 08 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense. A loveless post. This dude and this dude are town atm. I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df] Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude. Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG]. Peace out.
Ah. Yeah...this isn't really compelling for me, either. It's not much different from HF's points. The reads felt like they developed organically enough to me.
I'll openly admit that I could probably be easily fooled by a scum df (and yes blatantly ignoring the claim cause whatevs) but I'm just not finding the arguments against him compelling when his read on me developed fairly naturally I thought.
Your issue with AMG resonated with me more, probably because I didn't really care for his reaction to Tube's return. That was an awfully quick about-face based on a 'suicide' that wasn't really a suicide from my point of view.
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##vote: FecalFeast
^ This is kind of a halfway placeholder.
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Tch. Like on the one hand I totally agree with you Vivax on the off-wagon vote over scumread. But I felt his game up to this point was pretty towny ><
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On March 08 2018 07:28 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Noobking
Cause he still hasn't explained how the hell he goes from summing up reasons for voting prpl, then voting Kelsier instead when tubesock isn't happening.
Yeah, no. Not voting for him.
Saying you have 'no reason' to townread someone does not read to me as more scummy than outright saying you think afkers this game are more likely to be scum because of the balance. I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts, but the vote makes sense in context to me.
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