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On March 09 2018 19:23 Holyflare wrote:
I think mass claiming is a bad idea now. I've changed my mind. I don't think it's a good idea when there's quite literally 0 point to out our power roles.
If df is a medic he has already outed and I don't want that potential nk information to be wasted because you couldn't find mafia without 2-3 more people claiming power roles.
The chance of df being town is increased with the nk so I'd rather leave it to that.
Confirmed town is the point. Less wiggle room for mafia is the point. At least three more nights if the game even lasts that long of being able to use our power roles is the point.
What nk information are you even expecting to get that is better served by not mass claiming?
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On March 09 2018 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think I'm fucking retarded and just do the opposite of what I said pre-game as mafia?
I think you haven't given me a single reason that makes sense for you to have changed your mind beyond receiving your role pm.
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On March 09 2018 19:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 19:23 Holyflare wrote:
I think mass claiming is a bad idea now. I've changed my mind. I don't think it's a good idea when there's quite literally 0 point to out our power roles.
If df is a medic he has already outed and I don't want that potential nk information to be wasted because you couldn't find mafia without 2-3 more people claiming power roles.
The chance of df being town is increased with the nk so I'd rather leave it to that. Confirmed town is the point. Less wiggle room for mafia is the point. At least three more nights if the game even lasts that long of being able to use our power roles is the point. What nk information are you even expecting to get that is better served by not mass claiming?
Do we absolutely need confirmed town now when the game is going our way, we've lynched the only power role that can stop us and we have a few people to lynch into?
No, I don't think we do. We lynch a scummy person today, Kelsier, then if he claims medic we have mass claiming to fall back onto tomorrow.
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not on day 2. My pre-game posts also never allude to mass claiming day 2 either so that's not even a contradiction. It in fact never alludes to mass claiming. Just that we have 3 confirmed townies.
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On March 09 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think I'm fucking retarded and just do the opposite of what I said pre-game as mafia? I think you haven't given me a single reason that makes sense for you to have changed your mind beyond receiving your role pm.
That sounds absolutely like an issue on your end that you'd need to get over then.
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Day 2 Vote Count
Holyflare (1): rsoultin
Not Voting (9): Alakaslam, Holyflare, darthfoley, Koshi, KelsierSC, MoosyDoosy, Vivax, Fecalfeast, n00bking
Holyflare currently stands as the lynch.
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 10 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
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Anyone that medic dodges in this game after saying we have to vig someone is also bad at being mafia. That's not me.
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On February 19 2018 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
Like lynching a split wagon and you get instant n1 information of what happened. You can say "but that's what happens if there is a vig" but it's not really because in that situation it's a one shot vig and that person is confirmed and on top of having that vig one of them can heal a top town person if they so choose. Then if none of the medics die (and they can claim and that's 3 confirmed townies(!!!)) there's another night of the same exact thing happening.
Basically it's too many confirmed town + too much information given + too anti mafia imo.
This is exactly a Day 2 mass claim.
This game never lasts past Day 5.
10 today.
7 day 3.
With no rb, 4 day 4 unless we have medics hold their saves to get a day 5 3-man lylo.
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On March 09 2018 20:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On March 09 2018 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think I'm fucking retarded and just do the opposite of what I said pre-game as mafia? I think you haven't given me a single reason that makes sense for you to have changed your mind beyond receiving your role pm. That sounds absolutely like an issue on your end that you'd need to get over then.
Lol I'd say it's entirely your issue if you can't present a good reason not to mass claim, I.e a good reason you changed your mind, I.e a good reason you're not just scum here.
What information do you expect from the nks that would be better served by not mass claiming?
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On March 09 2018 20:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2018 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
Like lynching a split wagon and you get instant n1 information of what happened. You can say "but that's what happens if there is a vig" but it's not really because in that situation it's a one shot vig and that person is confirmed and on top of having that vig one of them can heal a top town person if they so choose. Then if none of the medics die (and they can claim and that's 3 confirmed townies(!!!)) there's another night of the same exact thing happening.
Basically it's too many confirmed town + too much information given + too anti mafia imo. This is exactly a Day 2 mass claim. This game never lasts past Day 5. 10 today. 7 day 3. With no rb, 4 day 4 unless we have medics hold their saves to get a day 5 3-man lylo.
Tomorrow is the optimal mass claiming situation. I said and they can claim as a rhetorical. Either way what I said pre-game is completely different to this situation and my current thoughts.
Deal with it if you don't like it.
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Darthfoley dying tonight as a claimed medic with no rb. Optimal nk 1.
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On March 09 2018 20:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 19:58 rsoultin wrote:On March 09 2018 19:23 Holyflare wrote:
I think mass claiming is a bad idea now. I've changed my mind. I don't think it's a good idea when there's quite literally 0 point to out our power roles.
If df is a medic he has already outed and I don't want that potential nk information to be wasted because you couldn't find mafia without 2-3 more people claiming power roles.
The chance of df being town is increased with the nk so I'd rather leave it to that. Confirmed town is the point. Less wiggle room for mafia is the point. At least three more nights if the game even lasts that long of being able to use our power roles is the point. What nk information are you even expecting to get that is better served by not mass claiming? Do we absolutely need confirmed town now when the game is going our way, we've lynched the only power role that can stop us and we have a few people to lynch into?No, I don't think we do. We lynch a scummy person today, Kelsier, then if he claims medic we have mass claiming to fall back onto tomorrow. I think mass claiming is a good idea just not on day 2. My pre-game posts also never allude to mass claiming day 2 either so that's not even a contradiction. It in fact never alludes to mass claiming. Just that we have 3 confirmed townies.
This is just saying we can win without doing it. So?
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I am going to leave now because I have my own opinion and I have a reason why I want to follow that opinion and you clearly disagree so you can call me mafia for having a different mindset to pre-game all you want but that won't change my opinion or my stance or be convincing to anyone else.
I think mass claiming is retarded at this point.
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On March 09 2018 20:52 Holyflare wrote:
Darthfoley dying tonight as a claimed medic with no rb. Optimal nk 1.
So?
With a mass claim we get at most 1 fake claim.
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Go ahead and mass claim then? I'm not exactly stopping an entire game am I?
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I'm considering lynching FF for TMI today.
Really happy with that N1 outcome thank god medics weren't afk or stupid and followed consensus.
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On March 09 2018 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
I am going to leave now because I have my own opinion and I have a reason why I want to follow that opinion and you clearly disagree so you can call me mafia for having a different mindset to pre-game all you want but that won't change my opinion or my stance or be convincing to anyone else.
I think mass claiming is retarded at this point.
I think if you're town you need to seriously consider that you being hung up on df is less important than narrowing the lynch pool and avoiding an accidental medic lynch or vig shot on d2 and n2.
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On March 09 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
Go ahead and mass claim then? I'm not exactly stopping an entire game am I?
Nope.
This is for others' benefit and because I'd rather not lynch you if you're town.
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I'm out too. Been vomiting off and on for almost an hour, and I think phone posting is making it worse.
Everyone:
Please take a stance on mass claiming today, and explain why you think it would be a bad idea if you don't want to.
Please look at HF. I think he's scum or too tunneled on DF to think straight.
May not be back for awhile if this keeps up blech @.@
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Wouldn't a mafia have tried to get at least a bit of cred by agreeing with me and rso on vigging prplhz during the night phase? Going to check, maybe, maybe later.
Going through AMGs filter I don't really spot a reason for him to be the NK. Either mafia is really bad or they thought he was a medic. Sure his read on prplhz was a good hit but by N1 no one spoke out against his death.
On another note, I'm giving Noobking better chances to be town given some of his posts during the night, notably his reply to AMG about prpl where nothing hints at him expecting a prpl scum flip, and his last will post which I liked. So I'm not going to push into him today.
I'd say voting Kelsier is good here cause of awkwardness and him not delivering after he said he would.
Slam was seemingly having fun shitposting with the occasional read in between. He can go to town pile temporarily with a 20% confidence degree cause this is still a shit read.
Didn't pay much attention to today's rso HF exchange yet but I'm not interested into considering either of them for lynch today so probably still won't.
Koshi may have some more time to do stuff. I'm guessing he's going to make his entrance starting on the weekend.
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On March 09 2018 21:35 rsoultin wrote:
I'm out too. Been vomiting off and on for almost an hour, and I think phone posting is making it worse.
Everyone:
Please take a stance on mass claiming today, and explain why you think it would be a bad idea if you don't want to.
Please look at HF. I think he's scum or too tunneled on DF to think straight.
May not be back for awhile if this keeps up blech @.@
We already have a doc claim by DF. His claim should be enough. Town can just keep vigging using the two undiscovered medics while df heals random person.
My bold guess based on the assumption that HF and DF are town is that mafia roleblocked random person they had a blue read on while doccing DF and hoping he'd die from that.
HF summed the effects of his claim up sufficiently and his fakeclaim makes him more likely town than mafia in my opinion as it was a very smart play.
Also, mass claiming plans are bad with questionable activity by multiple participants. For all we know slam won't give a fuck or a serious answer, and Kelsier isn't really doing anything.
I propose we get a wagon on Kelsier going for today.
Get well soon anyways.
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