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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 18:37 GMT
#261
On March 07 2018 03:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:
On March 07 2018 02:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Prpl is my first scumread.

That is all



You posted while I was posting, can you tell me why?

Was waiting for a truck to back up and checked the thread


-squints at-

I'm pretty sure that you have to know he's not asking you why you posted then, FF. And if for some crazy reason that is actually what Ian meant, I'll ask the more relevant question:

Why do you scumread prp?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 06 2018 18:50 GMT
#262
lol yeah thats not exactly waht I meant FF XD, why do you like him for scum.

Besides that I might disagree tina about DF slightly.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 18:53 GMT
#263
On March 07 2018 03:50 Damdred wrote:
lol yeah thats not exactly waht I meant FF XD, why do you like him for scum.

Besides that I might disagree tina about DF slightly.


Yeah? I know it's weak, but why do you disagree?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 19:00 GMT
#264
On March 06 2018 18:23 Calix wrote:
Just to clarify, the setup in the OP is correct and has not been changed.

Thanks.

At least the hosts respond to PMs quickly! lol
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 06 2018 19:04 GMT
#265
On March 07 2018 03:53 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 03:50 Damdred wrote:
lol yeah thats not exactly waht I meant FF XD, why do you like him for scum.

Besides that I might disagree tina about DF slightly.


Yeah? I know it's weak, but why do you disagree?


He does sound defeated and what not, but the DF i've played with doesn't mind rolling scum. He generally fights hard as scum and is excellent at keeping his tone somewhere in the realm of his town game.

I just think its a weird opening for him regardless of his alignment and i'd much rather not even think about lynching him for it just because its so outside meta for him it doesn't register for either side.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 19:06 GMT
#266
On March 06 2018 18:53 rsoultin wrote:
Like, basically I can see tubesock being scum here. I just think it would be a shame to auto him for nonsense (especially if he ends up flipping town), even if I think mostly town is pushing him.

I can't speak for the other votes against Tubesock, but I'm not saying we auto him (if "auto him" means what I think it means). The post where I voted against him demands that he 'splain himself, it doesn't say "ok everyone, we've got our Day 1 lynch, let's do this!"

Since the time that AMG and myself went from "talking to" Tubesock to "voting against" Tubesock, he's gone quiet. Which doesn't look great, but we'll see what he says if/when he returns.

I'm surprised/disappointed that the players who hadn't made a post yet when I went to sleep (Vivax/Kelsier/chaoser) still haven't made one now that I'm back up again.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 19:12 GMT
#267
On March 06 2018 20:50 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.

AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.


You think me making excuses to scum read people. What people? I have implied one person was scum and did not like their follow up. One person.

So you find my opinion on or attempt at discussion with Tubesock to be forced, or I don't believe what i'm saying when i'm saying it?

Yeah, I would like to see this explanation too.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 19:15 GMT
#268
Yeah the quiet is certainly annoying.

@Damdred...that's certainly plausible and I'm sure you have a better handle on him than I do. It doesn't effectively change much for me, though, since even if I were to give him the benefit of the doubt that just puts him in a lynch pool with:

FF, tubesock, and no-posters

And I definitely would prefer not going through Day 1 with just one person up for lynch. Although, to be fair, my comfort level with that will depend entirely on tube's follow-up. I'm grateful that people gave him space (whether or not because I asked them to) but yeah...it was to give him room to breathe if town. Nothing more.

In other news if we're into lynching afkers it's a bit more alignment-indicative for vivax and ksc to be silent. I think vivax the most. So there's that \o/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 19:18 GMT
#269
On March 07 2018 03:28 rsoultin wrote:
Prp is in my slightly townish pile

I can't tell why Prp is in your townish pile, any more than I can tell why Prp is in FF's scummy pile. If the situation is that it's "nothing substantive, just a feeling" then I wish people would just say that, so I don't have to ask them "why?" Why is Prp slightly townish?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 19:27 GMT
#270
On March 07 2018 03:36 rsoultin wrote:
There's just something really off about DF's entry. He's in the thread while people are talking about things, and tubesock had already made his (bad?) post (though no one had called him out for it yet), and he just...isn't in the mood?

It makes me think he didn't like his role pm. Especially since he seemed to feel the need to respond to moosey and to make his excuses. Idk.

I immediately disliked DF for that too, when it's like:

DF - *notices game has started*
DF - *decides he's not in the mood to play anymore, bails*

But decided to control my knee-jerk reaction, and not make anything of it. If someone were bummed about pulling a scum role in this game, then yeah, I could imagine them just making a couple of "ok, I'm here" posts and then disappearing for a while, but to actually SAY in the thread that he's not in the mood is much stranger. WIFOM and all that, but still, it would be weird (I think) for a scum player to draw attention to themselves by raising their hand and being like "Look at me! I'm here, but I'm not actually going to play the game!"
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 19:34 GMT
#271
On March 07 2018 04:15 rsoultin wrote:
In other news if we're into lynching afkers it's a bit more alignment-indicative for vivax and ksc to be silent. I think vivax the most. So there's that \o/

Can you explain why silent Vivax/Kelsier is more alignment-indicative than silent chaoser?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 19:35 GMT
#272
That's a fair point, noobking. I just don't really have an explanation for it that makes sense either way, which makes me more inclined to find it scummy -shrugs-

As for prp...it's super light but I like that he's kinda doing his own thing in a pretty transparent way.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 19:37 GMT
#273
On March 07 2018 04:34 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 04:15 rsoultin wrote:
In other news if we're into lynching afkers it's a bit more alignment-indicative for vivax and ksc to be silent. I think vivax the most. So there's that \o/

Can you explain why silent Vivax/Kelsier is more alignment-indicative than silent chaoser?


Because vivax can't play scum to save his life.

Kelsier is a bit more coin-flippy. The old Kelsier was more likely to afk only as scum. The new one is more unreliable though if I'm not mistaken (I haven't played with the new one much).

I don't know chaoser so his being afk means nothing to me by definition.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 06 2018 19:39 GMT
#274
On March 06 2018 13:59 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 11:36 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:26 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 11:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I miss the presence of a rayn-like person plugging me in the butthole and telling me i suck at this game

I can start telling you that you suck at this game, if that'll help. You'll have to go somewhere else for the rest of that, though.
On March 06 2018 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm pretty sure Fecal was exaggerating by his D2 mass claim. Mass claiming is going to happen but I don't see it happening on D2 unless the game is really easy and we nail mafia really early

I dunno, the pre-game discussion sounds to me like people are talking about mass claiming early game and not late game. And now I can't ask them to clarify what they meant, because they either aren't in the game or I can no longer trust them to tell me the truth about it.

But speaking of the pre-game discussion, now that I've read through it again, it occurs to me that I don't even know for sure what the setup for the game IS.

We had this:
On February 19 2018 23:28 Calix wrote:
I'm leaning towards giving mafia another role since people seem to agree that makes the game easier for mafia.

and then this:
On February 19 2018 23:45 Calix wrote:
Two Roleblockers might be fine then. I'll see what other people think and if nobody has a serious problem with it then I'll change the Mafioso to a PR.

and then that was it. So was the setup changed? Am I allowed to ask the Narrator to tell us whether the setup changed? Because if the setup isn't as town-favored as it was initially, that will definitely change my strategy.


Didn't you just chastise me for talking about mass claiming strategy? And here you are talking about setup and strategy.

Your hypocrisy is delicious.


He did not chastise you at all. Why are you so pricky?


Pretty much my reaction
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 06 2018 19:47 GMT
#275
On March 06 2018 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock has called me medic!

Not just town or mafia. Medic. Let that sink in.

##vote tubesock


bait more
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 06 2018 19:48 GMT
#276
On March 06 2018 16:27 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences:

Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours!

Hey guys do you have any thoughts?

The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving.

I feel like this would be more significant if he had actually come back, and said some things that didn't contribute anything worthwhile. As it stands now, he just...hasn't been back. So maybe you'll get what you want from him when he returns. Unless Damdred is a "constantly checking the game" type of guy, I don't really see anything to hate on.

His post that said "Well this will be my last game for awhile as I don't think its fair to further strain my activity level with my new job" was made before roles went out. It offers him cover to fake being afk if he drew scum in this game, but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it. If that's what happened, then it just...worked out nice for him. lol


This dude is town
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 06 2018 19:50 GMT
#277
On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic.


Uhm...you called you a medic....


Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.


He wouldn't know you were medic even if he were mafia. You're making this sound like TMI when it just isn't. There are 3 town medics???
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 06 2018 19:52 GMT
#278
On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:11 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:
On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.

Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation.

Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later.

And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation.

I'd say no, thus, bored.

Let's talk reads!

By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it.


Idk I think mass claiming too early turns this game into a mechanic-obsessed game (which it already kind of is) in which people forget to make organic reads on people. Makes more sense to see everyone playing the game for a while before mass claims happen. Do you have a particular reason you want D1 mass claims that I've missed?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 06 2018 19:59 GMT
#279
On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:
On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/

I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.

Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.

I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.


I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny.


Fair. Damdred lynching time then?

Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him.


Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 20:01 GMT
#280
Thanks for those answers, rsoul.

HF's "good chat" post makes me uneasy. Should it not? You mentioned him as townpile after that post, so I'm assuming it didn't bother you. But since the time that he tried to shut down discussion of a D1 mass claim, he didn't really put forth anything else to discuss in its place. He's barely talked about anything but Tubesock. I'm guessing "good chat" means he's satisfied with the direction of the thread/voting at this stage, but that could be good for Town or bad for Town. lol

@Holyflare: No follow-up questions for your vote target? No reactions to anything else that's been said about your vote target in the meantime? No comments on anything else that's going on? (admittedly, not much else is going on...)

@Damdred: Have any strong impressions on HF? (just with regard to his allegiance, not with regard to whether he is/isn't "a medic" for one side or the other)
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