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On March 15 2018 05:35 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 05:30 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 15 2018 05:10 n00bKing wrote:On March 14 2018 09:31 Holyflare wrote:lol you just confirmed you're not a medic, medics have to heal each night or it's randomed  gg confirmed I was sure you had to be joking, but then you said it again in this post: On March 14 2018 17:27 Holyflare wrote:
He's confirmed mafia lol? All game long, I've asked you questions about "why would you post crap like this, if you were town?" And yet again...why would you post crap like this, if you're town? That post is just completely awful. No, there is nothing in the OP (or anywhere else in the game that I've seen) that says anything about the action becoming randomized. I've also never heard of a "mandatory" healer. The healer's action is never mandatory on the site I play most often, and in fact, there are not ANY roles that have a mandatory night action. 100% of them are optional. On top of all that, if the medic "has to" heal each night in this ruleset, then you would have to assume the same is true for the mafia medic. Meaning that the mafia medic is 0% more likely than a town medic, to say what I said. 0%. It means absolutely nothing. In the time it took to type, you should have figured out not to say it. But said it anyway. I don't understand why your brain doesn't work. I mentioned before that during the D3 Phase, I had listed off 12-14 reasons to believe you were scum. You gave me two more late in the phase, which I didn't have time to comment on (and which I didn't have reason to think would make any difference anyway.) This is now yet another thing that wouldn't make any sense for a town player to do, and could only make sense for a scum player to do, as they try to get me killed in N3. So I now have in the neighborhood of 15-17 separate arguments against you. 15-17 distinct reasons to believe you have a scum role in this game. Against Moosy, I had THREE. And rsoul argued AGAINST 2 of those 3 reasons to think Moosy was scum. If I took her word for it, I would have had only ONE reason left to think he was scum. And yet, YOU'RE the one who is Town. That's pretty sad. Just to humour you... who is the vt faking medic if hf is scum? He's not.
And that's why it's so sad.
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Y'know, I'm almost ashamed to be so amused by this lol ><
15-17 reasons is better defined as a tunnel.
Have you figured out who the scum is then since the rest of us have been lazy fuckers today?
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Don't know how much longer the game will end up taking. I'll probably check in it here and there. But in case I'm not around for the post-game, I'll go ahead and give a couple of thoughts now.
I think the game culture here is pretty toxic.
The idea that rsoul would feel like she has to defend HF regarding his anti-town behavior because "he pushes the mafia agenda while he's town" is baffling. The idea that HF would himself tell me he shouldn't be scum-read for pushing the mafia agenda because he would do it while town is baffling. The fact that it was true he was town in this game is insane.
NO player should EVER be forced into a position where they have to defend someone else from the noose, on the basis of "he tries to help the scum team even when he's town." Why would a town player do that? I've still never heard an excuse for it, just that he DOES it. Why??! That should be a viable reason to scumread someone, over and over and over.
In this game, I caught Holyflare in 3 separate instances of trying to push us in scum-favored directions, instead of just following the ALREADY-ESTABLISHED pro-town plan. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I also caught him in both logical inconsistencies AND the use of logical fallacies. The false dichotomy I caught him trying to use was terrible. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
In his attacks on his scumreads and in his defenses of himself, he very consistently said things that simply were not true. That could be verified as untrue if anyone just *actually* went back to look, as I did. I repeatedly said that if anyone just goes back and actually looks at the way [occasion] happened, they'll see that he can only be mistaken or LYING, and nothing else. Seemingly, no one ever looked but me. When the argument between the two of us reached its apex, he was putting a falsehood in at least every other post. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I don't want to play in games where these are not reliable indicators of scum play, because there is a guy who plays anti-town in his town for no reason. I want to play in games where finding someone *actively working* to help scum win the game...is probably scum. And if I were hosting a game, I would probably ask HF not to participate in it, so that the other players could play the game the way it's meant to be played. I think the way he played this game is against the very spirit of the game itself, and robs other players of the experience they are intended to have. The other places I play, someone like HF couldn't exist for very long. He would have been RELIGIOUSLY lynched for his scum-favored play (and yes, mislynched sometimes, if that's what it took) until he LEARNED BETTER.
You also have a big "afk players" problem. I talked about this 2 or 3 years ago, but if this game is any indication? Your problem here has only gotten worse, and not better.
On the site I play most often, we don't even hold open "replacement" slots during registration. If a game fills, it starts. And even if it's a 25-player game, we don't expect that a "replacement" will definitely be needed. People sign up because they want to play.
This game, meanwhile, took over TWO WEEKS to fill, even though it required only 13 players. And then, of those 13 signups, FOUR of them did not actually play. Four of Thirteen! And that's if you say Fecalfeast DID play (which is generous. I would usually expect a player with that little activity to be pressured for "lurking" except we had several players who were somehow doing even less.)
chaoser and damdred were replaced, and prplhz and Kelsier easily *could* have been replaced. That's really...REALLY bad. Even one of the replacements (Alakaslam) never really did anything, and less than half of his posts were game-related.
I don't know if your bad-game-environment problem can be fixed at this point or not. If so, I don't know if you solve it through more aggressively lynching afk players, or if you solve it with harsher penalties for players who sign up and then don't play. But hopefully you can find SOMEthing to do about it. Or things will just remain a cesspool here. This is probably the LEAST happy I've ever been, about winning a game. Whenever the scum medic does flip, what am I gonna "celebrate" about this victory? Where 4 signups didn't play, one of the other signups played a scum-favored game while he was town, and none of the other players seemed to care that he was doing it. Yay.
I would say the likelihood is Fecalfeast > DF > Vivax, for finding the mafia medic. I would say "good luck" except that, given the way HF played this game, and given that he turned out to be town....I can't say I even care anymore either.
Peace.
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On March 15 2018 05:26 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
Are you mad that despite having all these reasons to lynch me I somehow convinced every single person in this game to vote not me? YES. I thought that was obvious, when I said that I had 15-17 distinct reasons for scumreading you, and could not get people to even discuss them.
but you were... wrong?
soooo are you basically just conceding because that's what this sounds like
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Sooo
I assumed that was a big rant before you conceded but you're still putting a lynch list down...
You're either really dedicated to scumplay or it has to be vivax
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oh, forgot to add: last call, if you want my heal to go anywhere.
Otherwise, like I said, I will not be turning in an action. (which HF seems to think means it will be randomized, even though it doesn't say that anywhere. But if it's randomized, that still means that if the mafia stacks on my heal, it'll be because they guessed the randomization, and not because they managed to guess where I would put it)
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On March 15 2018 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
Y'know, I'm almost ashamed to be so amused by this lol ><
15-17 reasons is better defined as a tunnel.
Have you figured out who the scum is then since the rest of us have been lazy fuckers today?
Nope, not with any certainty. You can see my lynch order that I posted, but no, I didn't figure it out. I was a lazy fucker today too, since seeing that HF is town basically killed any desire I had to do anything.
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On March 15 2018 05:38 n00bKing wrote:
Don't know how much longer the game will end up taking. I'll probably check in it here and there. But in case I'm not around for the post-game, I'll go ahead and give a couple of thoughts now.
I think the game culture here is pretty toxic.
The idea that rsoul would feel like she has to defend HF regarding his anti-town behavior because "he pushes the mafia agenda while he's town" is baffling. The idea that HF would himself tell me he shouldn't be scum-read for pushing the mafia agenda because he would do it while town is baffling. The fact that it was true he was town in this game is insane.
NO player should EVER be forced into a position where they have to defend someone else from the noose, on the basis of "he tries to help the scum team even when he's town." Why would a town player do that? I've still never heard an excuse for it, just that he DOES it. Why??! That should be a viable reason to scumread someone, over and over and over.
In this game, I caught Holyflare in 3 separate instances of trying to push us in scum-favored directions, instead of just following the ALREADY-ESTABLISHED pro-town plan. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I also caught him in both logical inconsistencies AND the use of logical fallacies. The false dichotomy I caught him trying to use was terrible. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
In his attacks on his scumreads and in his defenses of himself, he very consistently said things that simply were not true. That could be verified as untrue if anyone just *actually* went back to look, as I did. I repeatedly said that if anyone just goes back and actually looks at the way [occasion] happened, they'll see that he can only be mistaken or LYING, and nothing else. Seemingly, no one ever looked but me. When the argument between the two of us reached its apex, he was putting a falsehood in at least every other post. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I don't want to play in games where these are not reliable indicators of scum play, because there is a guy who plays anti-town in his town for no reason. I want to play in games where finding someone *actively working* to help scum win the game...is probably scum. And if I were hosting a game, I would probably ask HF not to participate in it, so that the other players could play the game the way it's meant to be played. I think the way he played this game is against the very spirit of the game itself, and robs other players of the experience they are intended to have. The other places I play, someone like HF couldn't exist for very long. He would have been RELIGIOUSLY lynched for his scum-favored play (and yes, mislynched sometimes, if that's what it took) until he LEARNED BETTER.
You also have a big "afk players" problem. I talked about this 2 or 3 years ago, but if this game is any indication? Your problem here has only gotten worse, and not better.
On the site I play most often, we don't even hold open "replacement" slots during registration. If a game fills, it starts. And even if it's a 25-player game, we don't expect that a "replacement" will definitely be needed. People sign up because they want to play.
This game, meanwhile, took over TWO WEEKS to fill, even though it required only 13 players. And then, of those 13 signups, FOUR of them did not actually play. Four of Thirteen! And that's if you say Fecalfeast DID play (which is generous. I would usually expect a player with that little activity to be pressured for "lurking" except we had several players who were somehow doing even less.)
chaoser and damdred were replaced, and prplhz and Kelsier easily *could* have been replaced. That's really...REALLY bad. Even one of the replacements (Alakaslam) never really did anything, and less than half of his posts were game-related.
I don't know if your bad-game-environment problem can be fixed at this point or not. If so, I don't know if you solve it through more aggressively lynching afk players, or if you solve it with harsher penalties for players who sign up and then don't play. But hopefully you can find SOMEthing to do about it. Or things will just remain a cesspool here. This is probably the LEAST happy I've ever been, about winning a game. Whenever the scum medic does flip, what am I gonna "celebrate" about this victory? Where 4 signups didn't play, one of the other signups played a scum-favored game while he was town, and none of the other players seemed to care that he was doing it. Yay.
I would say the likelihood is Fecalfeast > DF > Vivax, for finding the mafia medic. I would say "good luck" except that, given the way HF played this game, and given that he turned out to be town....I can't say I even care anymore either.
Peace.
Maybe the most toxic post I've ever read on TL Mafia, and that's saying something.
You go from bitching about being wrong on HF (if you're town) to the game taking long to fill. Just lol.
People stopped taking you seriously when you felt the need to make a Master's Thesis reply to literally every goddamned post in this game. Before you just start bitching about literally everything and blaming everyone but you for being wrong about 1(!!!!) person in this game, maybe you should look introspectively and realize that a flaw in your play is that you take 400 sentences to say what should take 4.
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If it's somehow not NK, it is vivax IMO
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-flicks df- don't add fuel to the flames
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On March 15 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 05:38 n00bKing wrote:
Don't know how much longer the game will end up taking. I'll probably check in it here and there. But in case I'm not around for the post-game, I'll go ahead and give a couple of thoughts now.
I think the game culture here is pretty toxic.
The idea that rsoul would feel like she has to defend HF regarding his anti-town behavior because "he pushes the mafia agenda while he's town" is baffling. The idea that HF would himself tell me he shouldn't be scum-read for pushing the mafia agenda because he would do it while town is baffling. The fact that it was true he was town in this game is insane.
NO player should EVER be forced into a position where they have to defend someone else from the noose, on the basis of "he tries to help the scum team even when he's town." Why would a town player do that? I've still never heard an excuse for it, just that he DOES it. Why??! That should be a viable reason to scumread someone, over and over and over.
In this game, I caught Holyflare in 3 separate instances of trying to push us in scum-favored directions, instead of just following the ALREADY-ESTABLISHED pro-town plan. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I also caught him in both logical inconsistencies AND the use of logical fallacies. The false dichotomy I caught him trying to use was terrible. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
In his attacks on his scumreads and in his defenses of himself, he very consistently said things that simply were not true. That could be verified as untrue if anyone just *actually* went back to look, as I did. I repeatedly said that if anyone just goes back and actually looks at the way [occasion] happened, they'll see that he can only be mistaken or LYING, and nothing else. Seemingly, no one ever looked but me. When the argument between the two of us reached its apex, he was putting a falsehood in at least every other post. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I don't want to play in games where these are not reliable indicators of scum play, because there is a guy who plays anti-town in his town for no reason. I want to play in games where finding someone *actively working* to help scum win the game...is probably scum. And if I were hosting a game, I would probably ask HF not to participate in it, so that the other players could play the game the way it's meant to be played. I think the way he played this game is against the very spirit of the game itself, and robs other players of the experience they are intended to have. The other places I play, someone like HF couldn't exist for very long. He would have been RELIGIOUSLY lynched for his scum-favored play (and yes, mislynched sometimes, if that's what it took) until he LEARNED BETTER.
You also have a big "afk players" problem. I talked about this 2 or 3 years ago, but if this game is any indication? Your problem here has only gotten worse, and not better.
On the site I play most often, we don't even hold open "replacement" slots during registration. If a game fills, it starts. And even if it's a 25-player game, we don't expect that a "replacement" will definitely be needed. People sign up because they want to play.
This game, meanwhile, took over TWO WEEKS to fill, even though it required only 13 players. And then, of those 13 signups, FOUR of them did not actually play. Four of Thirteen! And that's if you say Fecalfeast DID play (which is generous. I would usually expect a player with that little activity to be pressured for "lurking" except we had several players who were somehow doing even less.)
chaoser and damdred were replaced, and prplhz and Kelsier easily *could* have been replaced. That's really...REALLY bad. Even one of the replacements (Alakaslam) never really did anything, and less than half of his posts were game-related.
I don't know if your bad-game-environment problem can be fixed at this point or not. If so, I don't know if you solve it through more aggressively lynching afk players, or if you solve it with harsher penalties for players who sign up and then don't play. But hopefully you can find SOMEthing to do about it. Or things will just remain a cesspool here. This is probably the LEAST happy I've ever been, about winning a game. Whenever the scum medic does flip, what am I gonna "celebrate" about this victory? Where 4 signups didn't play, one of the other signups played a scum-favored game while he was town, and none of the other players seemed to care that he was doing it. Yay.
I would say the likelihood is Fecalfeast > DF > Vivax, for finding the mafia medic. I would say "good luck" except that, given the way HF played this game, and given that he turned out to be town....I can't say I even care anymore either.
Peace. Maybe the most toxic post I've ever read on TL Mafia, and that's saying something. You go from bitching about being wrong on HF (if you're town) to the game taking long to fill. Just lol. People stopped taking you seriously when you felt the need to make a Master's Thesis reply to literally every goddamned post in this game. Before you just start bitching about literally everything and blaming everyone but you for being wrong about 1(!!!!) person in this game, maybe you should look introspectively and realize that a flaw in your play is that you take 400 sentences to say what should take 4.
No.
(was that concise enough for you?)
The way I play has yielded extremely strong results. I'm not gonna mess with success, thanks.
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On March 15 2018 05:52 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On March 15 2018 05:38 n00bKing wrote:
Don't know how much longer the game will end up taking. I'll probably check in it here and there. But in case I'm not around for the post-game, I'll go ahead and give a couple of thoughts now.
I think the game culture here is pretty toxic.
The idea that rsoul would feel like she has to defend HF regarding his anti-town behavior because "he pushes the mafia agenda while he's town" is baffling. The idea that HF would himself tell me he shouldn't be scum-read for pushing the mafia agenda because he would do it while town is baffling. The fact that it was true he was town in this game is insane.
NO player should EVER be forced into a position where they have to defend someone else from the noose, on the basis of "he tries to help the scum team even when he's town." Why would a town player do that? I've still never heard an excuse for it, just that he DOES it. Why??! That should be a viable reason to scumread someone, over and over and over.
In this game, I caught Holyflare in 3 separate instances of trying to push us in scum-favored directions, instead of just following the ALREADY-ESTABLISHED pro-town plan. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I also caught him in both logical inconsistencies AND the use of logical fallacies. The false dichotomy I caught him trying to use was terrible. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
In his attacks on his scumreads and in his defenses of himself, he very consistently said things that simply were not true. That could be verified as untrue if anyone just *actually* went back to look, as I did. I repeatedly said that if anyone just goes back and actually looks at the way [occasion] happened, they'll see that he can only be mistaken or LYING, and nothing else. Seemingly, no one ever looked but me. When the argument between the two of us reached its apex, he was putting a falsehood in at least every other post. This should ALWAYS be good cause to scumread a player.
I don't want to play in games where these are not reliable indicators of scum play, because there is a guy who plays anti-town in his town for no reason. I want to play in games where finding someone *actively working* to help scum win the game...is probably scum. And if I were hosting a game, I would probably ask HF not to participate in it, so that the other players could play the game the way it's meant to be played. I think the way he played this game is against the very spirit of the game itself, and robs other players of the experience they are intended to have. The other places I play, someone like HF couldn't exist for very long. He would have been RELIGIOUSLY lynched for his scum-favored play (and yes, mislynched sometimes, if that's what it took) until he LEARNED BETTER.
You also have a big "afk players" problem. I talked about this 2 or 3 years ago, but if this game is any indication? Your problem here has only gotten worse, and not better.
On the site I play most often, we don't even hold open "replacement" slots during registration. If a game fills, it starts. And even if it's a 25-player game, we don't expect that a "replacement" will definitely be needed. People sign up because they want to play.
This game, meanwhile, took over TWO WEEKS to fill, even though it required only 13 players. And then, of those 13 signups, FOUR of them did not actually play. Four of Thirteen! And that's if you say Fecalfeast DID play (which is generous. I would usually expect a player with that little activity to be pressured for "lurking" except we had several players who were somehow doing even less.)
chaoser and damdred were replaced, and prplhz and Kelsier easily *could* have been replaced. That's really...REALLY bad. Even one of the replacements (Alakaslam) never really did anything, and less than half of his posts were game-related.
I don't know if your bad-game-environment problem can be fixed at this point or not. If so, I don't know if you solve it through more aggressively lynching afk players, or if you solve it with harsher penalties for players who sign up and then don't play. But hopefully you can find SOMEthing to do about it. Or things will just remain a cesspool here. This is probably the LEAST happy I've ever been, about winning a game. Whenever the scum medic does flip, what am I gonna "celebrate" about this victory? Where 4 signups didn't play, one of the other signups played a scum-favored game while he was town, and none of the other players seemed to care that he was doing it. Yay.
I would say the likelihood is Fecalfeast > DF > Vivax, for finding the mafia medic. I would say "good luck" except that, given the way HF played this game, and given that he turned out to be town....I can't say I even care anymore either.
Peace. Maybe the most toxic post I've ever read on TL Mafia, and that's saying something. You go from bitching about being wrong on HF (if you're town) to the game taking long to fill. Just lol. People stopped taking you seriously when you felt the need to make a Master's Thesis reply to literally every goddamned post in this game. Before you just start bitching about literally everything and blaming everyone but you for being wrong about 1(!!!!) person in this game, maybe you should look introspectively and realize that a flaw in your play is that you take 400 sentences to say what should take 4. No. (was that concise enough for you?) The way I play has yielded extremely strong results. I'm not gonna mess with success, thanks.
cya
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Oh, idk. We can still vig shot two medic claims? For no real added value other than a shorter game. Though probably a bad idea here because if nk is town I don't think anyone has put in the work to secure a scum flip. I know I haven't.
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wow :D
I'm kind of glad you'll never be back after that.
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On March 15 2018 05:54 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, idk. We can still vig shot two medic claims? For no real added value other than a shorter game. Though probably a bad idea here because if nk is town I don't think anyone has put in the work to secure a scum flip. I know I haven't.
I wouldn't mind a 2 for 1 if it shortens the game without lowering our % to win
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I haven't always been this way, phone posting and work made me lazy and I spew whatever is on my mind. If it's wrong or "pushing mafia agenda" it's simply because I had 30 seconds at work to post something that I thought was correct but turns out wasn't.
I'm sorry you're so good that it ended like this though. 5 other players, including mafia moosy decided not to lynch me so I can't have been that bad either.
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If we go 2 for 1 I think it should be NK and Vivax.
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On March 15 2018 05:30 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 05:10 n00bKing wrote:On March 14 2018 09:31 Holyflare wrote:lol you just confirmed you're not a medic, medics have to heal each night or it's randomed gg confirmed I was sure you had to be joking, but then you said it again in this post: On March 14 2018 17:27 Holyflare wrote:
He's confirmed mafia lol? All game long, I've asked you questions about "why would you post crap like this, if you were town?" And yet again...why would you post crap like this, if you're town? That post is just completely awful. No, there is nothing in the OP (or anywhere else in the game that I've seen) that says anything about the action becoming randomized. I've also never heard of a "mandatory" healer. The healer's action is never mandatory on the site I play most often, and in fact, there are not ANY roles that have a mandatory night action. 100% of them are optional. On top of all that, if the medic "has to" heal each night in this ruleset, then you would have to assume the same is true for the mafia medic. Meaning that the mafia medic is 0% more likely than a town medic, to say what I said. 0%. It means absolutely nothing. In the time it took to type, you should have figured out not to say it. But said it anyway. I don't understand why your brain doesn't work. I mentioned before that during the D3 Phase, I had listed off 12-14 reasons to believe you were scum. You gave me two more late in the phase, which I didn't have time to comment on (and which I didn't have reason to think would make any difference anyway.) This is now yet another thing that wouldn't make any sense for a town player to do, and could only make sense for a scum player to do, as they try to get me killed in N3. So I now have in the neighborhood of 15-17 separate arguments against you. 15-17 distinct reasons to believe you have a scum role in this game. Against Moosy, I had THREE. And rsoul argued AGAINST 2 of those 3 reasons to think Moosy was scum. If I took her word for it, I would have had only ONE reason left to think he was scum. And yet, YOU'RE the one who is Town. That's pretty sad. Just to humour you... who is the vt faking medic if hf is scum?
Me
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Does he seriously think I didn't know medics can do no action lol?
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On March 15 2018 06:00 darthfoley wrote:
If we go 2 for 1 I think it should be NK and Vivax.
Ya
Nks order loses us the game i think
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