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On March 10 2018 02:09 Koshi wrote:
I'll type this out so it is easier for mafia to decide to fakeclaim. At least one should or just forfeit now.
8 vs 2 with 3 medics
So current situation is:
3M + 5 versus 2
Now let's do worst case scenario:
After 1 ml:
3M + 4 versus 2
After nk and our medics stacking (really important all medics stack on 1)
2M + 3 versus 2
After second ml:
2M + 2 versus 2
After nk and our medics stacking (really important all medics stack on 1)
1M + 1 versus 2 and we lose.
That would mean that we lynched 2 townies and vigged 2 townies out of a pool of 5 townies that werent medic.
That would be impressive.
So one mafia needs to fakeclaim medic and one mafia needs to claim VT
gl hf
PS: I haven't read the rules with how the medic thing works since I read it when this thread got started 2 weeks ago or something.
This just struck me as strange from koshi, given he's basically coaching scum how to play @.@
But that's so blatant I'm not sure why scum would do it here.
I'd probably dismiss it entirely if not for koshi doing nada since he replaced in.
(Also agree with ff, but I think it might be a good idea to vig one of the medics tonight)
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On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure.
I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list.
Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain.
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I'll bother changing my vote when I'm not on phone anymore and don't have to mess with BBCode.
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Actually, last post before bed, I'm a dumbbell. It would be more interesting to see how scum plays around the medic pool. We should probably focus on non-medic claims first in general.
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On March 10 2018 18:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva. explain this rsoul?
Already did and I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe if all the scummier people end up being town.
Namely his opinion pre-game was honest by default, so he should still have it. And I agree with him that the Amg kill seems strange if both he and viva are also town. It should have been one of us in my mind.
But with one scum out of df/ff/noob/viva and the fact that it remains technically possible that he did suddenly change his mind despite a mass claim obviously being the best play, well...at the very least I can't see myself lynching him over ksc.
So I'll let it go for now and give hf the benefit of the doubt.
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And yes part of it is that I know I can't lynch him if what I thought was compelling half the thread won't bother to read or can't understand. But I can't honestly say that I'm more convinced he's scum than our resident active lurker, so...-shrugs-
Before they could have been scum together. Now, that's not possible unless we have a really dumb townie fake-claiming.
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On March 10 2018 21:01 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 19:15 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 18:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva. explain this rsoul? Already did and I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe if all the scummier people end up being town. Namely his opinion pre-game was honest by default, so he should still have it. And I agree with him that the Amg kill seems strange if both he and viva are also town. It should have been one of us in my mind. But with one scum out of df/ff/noob/viva and the fact that it remains technically possible that he did suddenly change his mind despite a mass claim obviously being the best play, well...at the very least I can't see myself lynching him over ksc. So I'll let it go for now and give hf the benefit of the doubt. Well we appear to mostly just be killing time here, at the moment. So even if you have no designs on getting HF lynched today, you can still talk more about him, if there's anything left you haven't said already. I'm not saying your points don't make sense, I just don't see them as being all that strong. 1) His pre-game opinion was honest, so deviating from it in-game feels odd 2) If he and Vivax are both Town, you think one of the three of you should have been the NK 3) He was mean to you in this game, and he does that more when he's scum than while he's town. (I couldn't put much stock in this one, even if I were completely sure you were town) Is that about the extent of it?
More or less. I'm less convinced by it today than I was yesterday, myself.
Add to the first point that his reasons for changing his mind were not convincing to me. That's where most of the push (and conviction) came from. If he'd had a reason that actually sounded intelligent (and yes I told if to that standard) I would have found it less odd and probably not outweighing the rest of his play.
The third point isn't really fully convincing to me either. It FEELS like he was more actively rather than inadvertently antagonizing me this game. But I don't expect anyone else to put the same amount of weight on that point anyway.
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And nah I've been a lazy fuck today. But I've got a couple hours so I can do that now.
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On March 10 2018 21:12 Holyflare wrote:
The things rsoul has pushed this game make me so wary of her she keeps dropping down my list:
1) Town reading prplhz on nothing
2) Pushing amg all day 1 and then dropping it
3) Pushing me today despite it not making any sense
4) Hard defending df because of some tiny town read he gave her
Only things going for her:
1) Getting people to mass claim
You may want to check your points before you post them.
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Namely points 2 and 4 are blatantly untrue, and the third is just wrong.
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On March 10 2018 21:14 Holyflare wrote:
I believe vivax and ff are the true medics. I think vivax should heal df and ff heal noob. The real medic of noob and df should heal the other one. Easy free mafia nk.
I'm not sure whether or not I like this plan. But that can be discussed during night phase.
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Technically all the points are wrong, but I'll concede that the prp townread was based off almost nothing, so that's close enough lol ><
Anyway, I've decided not to engage with HF today. If he spouts more crap that other people would like me to answer to, let me know  I see no point shitfighting with him when I don't want to lynch him today, and he's not going to lynch me.
-trundles off to review EoD1-
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Again, if anyone else feels I need to answer his points, I will.
At the point that DF placed his vote on prp, his wagon was building. The only person still on prp was AMG, and moosy was on tubesock. I can see why a scum DF might be inclined to bus, but given prp was the RB and we know tube was town, it's less likely to me that he's scum doing that.
Oh, hf, I will talk to you about this, though.
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On March 10 2018 21:34 Holyflare wrote:
I am also INCREDIBLY confused because at NO point have I shit fighted with you this entire cycle. You just keep posting points my way, I answer them and that's it. I haven't started anything and people (now including you) keep referencing it like I'm harassing you into shit fighting. It's crazy.
I'm not saying you're harrassing me, by the way. I just don't want to lynch you anymore and don't care to be distracted by your push unless people actually want to lynch me.
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On March 10 2018 20:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain. Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case. So did you do that re-reading, rsoul? It looks inconclusive to me. He says that he's down for "shenannies" onto DF (which is the lynch he wants, if he's scum and DF isn't) but says that tubesock is still scummiest (which might be fine to say, even if Tubesock isn't the lynch he wants, because he's one of only 2 votes there at the time). But within just a few posts, there are suddenly two swaps TO Tubesock, and that would then make it tougher for Moosy to justify jumping to DF. Overall, I would say the voting record works slightly in Moosy's favor IF I knew for sure that DF is Town. But since I don't, I would mostly throw this evidence out. Which means the association case against him takes precedence. You seeing anything different?
Eh. Yeah...I actually think his play near EoD means more if DF is scum. It looked a bit like he wasn't sure how to handle it with all the questions to HF about who he thought was more scummy between df and tube, when the vote should make that pretty obvious.
I know that I have trouble with my scummates...or at least used to ignore them so was trying to fix that in my last scum game which went so amazingly well lol >< So I don't disagree with your intial premise regarding moosy ignoring prp.
This is the only mention of prp that I can find from moosy all Day 1.
On March 08 2018 07:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:I'm down with shenannies onto prp, darth. Preferred is Tube. I still don't see how he isn't scummy. Also rsoultin if people are really down to clown.  jk probably not rsoultin looks town
Could argue that he also doesn't talk about other afkers much (see: KSC, chaoser) but there are several references to FF and Damdred who had posted (but also not a lot like prp), and prp was actually a point of discussion.
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On March 08 2018 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
hm. I'm not quite sure if I see what Holyflare is seeing about darthfoley.
^ This came after my vote on tube, and before DF switched. It's also the first time he takes any sort of stance on DF at all the entire game. So I agree that if DF is town, that's a point in moosy's favor. Of course, he could have just been uncomfortable moving after pushing tube most of the day phase, so it's hardly a hard clear.
Yeaaah, I'm beginning to think that maybe HF was right. Don't tell him. (Not necessarily about DF's alignment, but that the NK info might have been more helpful tonight. Shh).
-crawls off into Tina's shame corner-
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On March 10 2018 22:27 Vivax wrote:
Well we aren't lynching into the medic claims today right? Besides the other claims are tricky to read for me. I couldn't really point at one of them and say he's scum for certain.
I think Kelsier is the best lynch among non claimers.
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC
Yeah we shouldn't be lynching into the medic claims tonight. I presume HF is going to remove his vote since he was talking about having medics shoot each other tonight, he just hasn't done it yet.
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On March 10 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote:
1. Alakaslam
3. darthfoley
5. Holyflare
6. rsoultin
7. Koshi
8. KelsierSC
Kill 4.
Do not do the shit rsoultin and HF suggest.
Do not kill medics.
Within these 6 names you have 4 chances to hit the 1 mafia. only when it is the 4th try that you hit mafia you need to lynch the last mafia in a 50/50 between medics. Mafia has no option to kill VTs. Well... They could but then they chance the 1/3 chance on the last medic shot into a 1/2 shot and then last day is a 3 medics + 1 VT "mylo". So that doesn't change shit.
Just play the game like I suggest. Kill 4 within 6. If you hit the 1 mafia you autowin unless it was the last shot 2 nights from now. If you can't hit the mafia withing these 6 names you just deserve to lose.
-pokes- You've given a ton of setup advice and appear to actually be reading something, so do you have any reads?
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Also it's moosy, not DF. DF claimed medic. And I agree that it makes more sense to lynch into the larger pool first, because of the advantages of getting it right early.
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Hm, I think I'd rather vote Kelsier because I have no clue what the point of his posts even are if he's town. Particularly when he said he didn't know what I was talking about. So he's reading but not reading?
I just don't want to auto and find out he just sucks lol >< Then again, we've got a ton of time to work things out now, so there's that.
Also, I think a better way of using our 'four' medics is to have two vig targets tonight outside the medic pool with two clearly assigned to one target, and two to another. Then scum has to play ball or reveal which pairing has the fake claim.
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