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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 06 2018 15:44 GMT
#321
On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:
Oh you're right I completely missed that.

Man I am not on the ball this game..

Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.


Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.


Which, to be clear, would be fine if you hadn't claimed to be caught up.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 15:45 GMT
#322
On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:
Oh you're right I completely missed that.

Man I am not on the ball this game..

Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.


Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.


That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts.

Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so.

/shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 06 2018 15:46 GMT
#323
On February 07 2018 00:45 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:
Oh you're right I completely missed that.

Man I am not on the ball this game..

Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.


Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.


That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts.

Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so.

/shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post


Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 15:47 GMT
#324
On February 07 2018 00:46 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 00:45 Conversion wrote:
On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:
Oh you're right I completely missed that.

Man I am not on the ball this game..

Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.


Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.


That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts.

Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so.

/shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post


Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere.


Yeah I'm getting them because I'm scum and I know my scummates and you're obviously VT.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 06 2018 15:54 GMT
#325
On February 07 2018 00:47 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 00:46 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2018 00:45 Conversion wrote:
On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:
On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:
Oh you're right I completely missed that.

Man I am not on the ball this game..

Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.


Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.


That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts.

Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so.

/shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post


Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere.


Yeah I'm getting them because I'm scum and I know my scummates and you're obviously VT.


I'm glad you finally admit it.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2018 15:54 GMT
#326
I am not going to engage in any conversation this game. I forgot to mention that. But I will answers questions whenever I see fit.

I think conversion is town because the tone he had in some posts. I forgot which ones but they read very genuine. I dont think he is looking at rsoultin as mafia trying to shovel dirt. Just playing the game.

Prplhz made a post about ritoky being town and I didnt like the reasoning. When I read ritoky his reads I might agree with them but I dont townread ritoky for them because they lacked content. Prplhz just calls him town for it. I dont like the not critical view. On top of that the reasoning to call out tfrel was weak and superficial. It had nothing to do with mafia mindset or anything. While tfrel made already so many well thought out post I did not like he nitpicks the post he did and ignored the rest. Also dont like the fact that he first townreads ritoky and then attacks tfrel about something he said about ritoky. Feels funny.


Anyway. Nothing is set in stone.
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 06 2018 15:56 GMT
#327
I just woke up from like 18 hour nap lol, going to catch up and solve the game XD
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 15:58 GMT
#328
Tempted to read rsoultin as town since I mostly get into shit-fights with town. I still do not like her playstyle. Something feels off. Although, the only other game I played with her was CCCP and that was a shitshow for town. Will mull over that for a bit and return to the thread.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 16:25 GMT
#329
If I must.
On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
The last quote wasn't out of context. If you look at what was happening in the thread (starting here), you know that ritoky says that rsoultin is probably town, and then Mocsta asks why, and ritoky gives a reason. Then Conversion made that post. Conversion definitely should have seen ritoky's posts, as they were 6+ minutes later and he posted in between. To me, if you're asking someone for how they feel about lynching someone when they just said that they were townreading them means that you're trying to change their mind and get support for the lynch. Not just asking what they think.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 16:40 GMT
#330
On February 06 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel why aren't you voting df? You have him dead to rights with that earlier post.
Darthfoley hasn't done much yet. I'm not super fond of what he's done but I'm not confident enough to push it quite yet. I don't really see a push on darthfoley being productive at this time.
On February 06 2018 23:35 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 15:03 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:
Hi Trfel.

Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol

I wonder why you dont think they are related?
I still comment on passive aggression.
The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read.

I wrote a wall of text because
A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful
B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part.

Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion.
This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic.
Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation.

P.S you are super town to me
I understand better now. Thanks for clarifying. That thought process makes enough sense.

That's fair. I am not super confident in rsoultin's alignment honestly, I slightly think she is town but could be wrong. I generally don't like to defend others though, would be interested to see what rsoultin says about it.
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm .


How did you end the night without having a followup conclusion on me? Are you still suspicious of me being mafia?

This is also weird play to me. You spent a majority of your time calling me inconsistent and pointing stuff out from my filter, but you couldn't be bothered to summarize that interaction?
My concluding statement about you was one post before that one (I found/find you suspicious but want more time to think about it and more information to work with).
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 17:09 GMT
#331
On February 07 2018 01:25 Trfel wrote:
If I must.
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
The last quote wasn't out of context. If you look at what was happening in the thread (starting here), you know that ritoky says that rsoultin is probably town, and then Mocsta asks why, and ritoky gives a reason. Then Conversion made that post. Conversion definitely should have seen ritoky's posts, as they were 6+ minutes later and he posted in between. To me, if you're asking someone for how they feel about lynching someone when they just said that they were townreading them means that you're trying to change their mind and get support for the lynch. Not just asking what they think.


This is just a very far-reaching statement. You don't know what I meant by that statement aside from that either 1) I was asking ritoky to either share his opinion of rsoultin with me, or 2) I was asking ritoky who he wanted to lynch. Either of those statements is not a direct translation to "I want you to lynch rsoultin with me," which is what you were saying I was attempting to do.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 17:10 GMT
#332
And the point has been made within your own post. "To me..."

That's what it feels like to you. I clarified it wasn't. Not sure why you're clinging onto this point. I never tried to get other people onto the rsoultin train. If you're suspicious of me for other reasons, fine. This one is not a good one.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 17:11 GMT
#333
I went over rsoultin's filter before Russian virus in CCCP and her filter in Newbie and her D1 is just rigid and I have a bad feeling about it. I am staying resolute in rsoultin being the best lynch today.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 17:12 GMT
#334
EBWOP:

On February 07 2018 02:11 Conversion wrote:
I went over rsoultin's filter before Russian virus in CCCP and her filter in Newbie and her D1 just feels rigid in this game and I have a bad feeling about it. I am staying resolute in rsoultin being the best lynch today.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 06 2018 17:13 GMT
#335
Its hard to concentrate when you have the flu lol.

In any case caught up and mocsta should be ashamed of himself. I like being scum more than town and have my longest filters as scum.

I wish I had made it bwfore Rayn explained himself. Tina intial things were a bit strange and ahe lacks some of the bounceyness I attribute to her as town.

Rit is strange... lacks something that i generally town read him on. and his posts seem to lack a bit of cohesiveness.

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 17:22 GMT
#336
On February 07 2018 00:54 Koshi wrote:
Prplhz made a post about ritoky being town and I didnt like the reasoning. When I read ritoky his reads I might agree with them but I dont townread ritoky for them because they lacked content. Prplhz just calls him town for it. I dont like the not critical view. On top of that the reasoning to call out tfrel was weak and superficial. It had nothing to do with mafia mindset or anything. While tfrel made already so many well thought out post I did not like he nitpicks the post he did and ignored the rest. Also dont like the fact that he first townreads ritoky and then attacks tfrel about something he said about ritoky. Feels funny.
Would you be willing to explain your prplhz read a bit? Prplhz said about me "His play seems kind of sideliney and too cautious, everybody agreeing with him seems to calm him down rather than fire him up", which to me does seem to be about mafia mindset. Were it not for this I'd be much more understanding of your read.
On February 07 2018 02:09 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 01:25 Trfel wrote:
If I must.
On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
The last quote wasn't out of context. If you look at what was happening in the thread (starting here), you know that ritoky says that rsoultin is probably town, and then Mocsta asks why, and ritoky gives a reason. Then Conversion made that post. Conversion definitely should have seen ritoky's posts, as they were 6+ minutes later and he posted in between. To me, if you're asking someone for how they feel about lynching someone when they just said that they were townreading them means that you're trying to change their mind and get support for the lynch. Not just asking what they think.


This is just a very far-reaching statement. You don't know what I meant by that statement aside from that either 1) I was asking ritoky to either share his opinion of rsoultin with me, or 2) I was asking ritoky who he wanted to lynch. Either of those statements is not a direct translation to "I want you to lynch rsoultin with me," which is what you were saying I was attempting to do.
I didn't read it like option #2 at all, I honestly didn't even see it as a possibility. I read it like option #1, and as I tried to explain, the context was what made it read like you wanted ritoky to lynch rsoultin with you. I guess I'll step back and figure out what's really going on then.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 17:33 GMT
#337
Conversion, humor me one more time? Right now, why are you scumreading rsoultin?

Not asking for past posts as much as what's compelling to you at this moment. Doesn't have to be a long answer, a short summary is fine.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
February 06 2018 17:40 GMT
#338
On February 07 2018 02:33 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, humor me one more time? Right now, why are you scumreading rsoultin?

Not asking for past posts as much as what's compelling to you at this moment. Doesn't have to be a long answer, a short summary is fine.


Sure. I will answer any questions you have of me regardless of whether I agree or disagree, as I believe you are town and I am town and I want to solve this game with other town.

rsoultin from diving into CCCP, and with less scrutiny in Newbie, played a more loose game in the beginning, from what I could see. She was questioning left and right, similar to how she is doing so here. However, I don't feel as if her posts really progress the game, whereas I felt that when reading the past two games from her. I might be wrong, but this is what I feel.

Another point that worries me she hasn't really clawed onto a target yet. She sort of prods at ritoky, but most of her filter doesn't conclude much. She questions my posts on missing information, and I believe she concluded I am scum for it (she's voting me, iirc). Which leads me to believe that she thinks that my omitting information to fit an agenda (rsoultin is scummy) is making me scum. Which I think in and of itself is a fine conclusion to make. The problem I have with this right now (rsoultin, please correct me if I am wrong in concluding that you think I am scum for those reasons and more that you are not sharing) is that I did a very blatantly scummy thing in CCCP-- however, she seemed more questioning rather than aggressively painting me scum. She also kept her thought process rather transparent and iterated in the thread a lot, whereas I feel as if her actions are more hidden/calculated so far in this game.

Not sure if that helps, but that's my general thought process/feeling right now.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 17:47 GMT
#339
That's an extremely helpful post, thanks. I'll re-evaluate when I have the chance.
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February 06 2018 17:47 GMT
#340
My only fear is that I am tunneling and not focusing on the lower activity players, but I feel as if that doesn't get me anywhere if they don't response and participate, hence why I'm still at this point resolute in rsoultin being my best lynch target.
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