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On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context?
this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me.
On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean.
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On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better.
Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you.
I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read?
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On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read?
On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive.
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On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean.
Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point.
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Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.
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On February 06 2018 20:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?
his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive.
Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up.
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On February 06 2018 20:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:22 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
[quote]
his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.
non committal.
posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up.
why not? i am a firm believer that 1 moment can make someone irrevocably town or mafia; and that people too often lose sight of those defining moments in favor of the "what have you done for me recently point of view", often to their detriment.
as for the out of context bit. to me it reads as "hey this is my read, what's your opinion?" (which i had already given) not "hey lynch this person with me. hop on bruh" like trfel tries to make it seem. it's not the worst case, but it's enough so he doesn't get to sit at the awesome table.
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On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point.
On second thought, it probably should be clear that he's just asking you who you want to lynch, isn't it? Since you had me as probably town in your list post. I don't know...if it's that easy to miss I don't know that it says much about truffle's alignment that he missed it. And I like his line of questioning on darth foley and conversion in general.
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i mean we are talking about why trfel is a 5 and not a 7, so ofc it isn't a huge deal. it just gives me pause because in that moment he seems more interested in winning the argument and making the other guy look dumb than thoroughly evaluate his alignment.
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On February 06 2018 20:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:22 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:
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^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.
You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.
Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.
Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up. why not? i am a firm believer that 1 moment can make someone irrevocably town or mafia; and that people too often lose sight of those defining moments in favor of the "what have you done for me recently point of view", often to their detriment.as for the out of context bit. to me it reads as "hey this is my read, what's your opinion?" (which i had already given) not "hey lynch this person with me. hop on bruh" like trfel tries to make it seem. it's not the worst case, but it's enough so he doesn't get to sit at the awesome table.
I don't disagree with this on principle. I just disagree with one 'mind-meld' equating to it. I've also been burned by my '1 moment irrevocably makes x, x alignment' in the past, on both scum and townreads. We can agree to disagree on it, though.
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On February 06 2018 20:35 ritoky wrote:
i mean we are talking about why trfel is a 5 and not a 7, so ofc it isn't a huge deal. it just gives me pause because in that moment he seems more interested in winning the argument and making the other guy look dumb than thoroughly evaluate his alignment.
Fair, I suppose.
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On February 06 2018 18:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 07:35 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me Why? Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. I guess my mind is more simple than that. I see joke post -> I mentally discard it About Mocsta: I can kind of see what he's seeing but I'm already struggling to understand what he's saying So, basically, because you'd never give a moment's thought to a joke post you assume that I would not as well, which defaults to bullshit. Yeah...see, for me to believe that I'd have to think you're someone who expects everyone to think like you, and that's not the impression that I got from you last game. I'm also not sure how you can 'kind of see what he's seeing' while simultaneously not understanding him?
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On February 06 2018 18:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 07:35 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me Why? Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. I guess my mind is more simple than that. I see joke post -> I mentally discard it About Mocsta: I can kind of see what he's seeing but I'm already struggling to understand what he's saying So, basically, because you'd never give a moment's thought to a joke post you assume that I would not as well, which defaults to bullshit. Yeah...see, for me to believe that I'd have to think you're someone who expects everyone to think like you, and that's not the impression that I got from you last game. I'm also not sure how you can 'kind of see what he's seeing' while simultaneously not understanding him?
You're putting way too much focus on my wording. It was an overblown reaction to an obvious joke post.
I see his points on you but I also have a hard time understanding some of his posts. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
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On February 06 2018 20:45 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 18:15 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:35 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol
But.. what yoy say is interesting.
I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping"
Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me Why? Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. I guess my mind is more simple than that. I see joke post -> I mentally discard it About Mocsta: I can kind of see what he's seeing but I'm already struggling to understand what he's saying So, basically, because you'd never give a moment's thought to a joke post you assume that I would not as well, which defaults to bullshit. Yeah...see, for me to believe that I'd have to think you're someone who expects everyone to think like you, and that's not the impression that I got from you last game. I'm also not sure how you can 'kind of see what he's seeing' while simultaneously not understanding him? You're putting way too much focus on my wording. It was an overblown reaction to an obvious joke post. I see his points on you but I also have a hard time understanding some of his posts. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
What exactly was 'overblown' about my reaction?
So which points do you agree with and which don't you understand, then?
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On February 06 2018 19:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement. You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question? So are you sheeping rayn now because you agree with what you didn't agree with before, or because you think he's town?
I think you're being ridiculously overly defensive and haven't posted anything in the way of reads that resonate with me. Even in the last game where we pretty much disagreed with everything I could still see your reasoning and the position you were coming from and the tone feels completely different. I also see his point vaguely but that's not as important as the tone.
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On February 06 2018 18:24 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding.
Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game ^ This But not so much the wall of text thing. More the, Joni thinks she's scum, let me add my hipster reason to it. Though I could just be extra paranoid after townreading him all last game on clouds and rainbows. So actually not this. I think it's likely he just thinks that way and it's NAI, the walls of text in place of succinct.
It really doesn't remind me of his last game. He is pushing much more directly this game.
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I have skimmed over the past few pages and my conclusion: people need let me be great and stop scumreading me. Peace 'n blessings.
I'll be back in about 7 hours
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On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read?
Look how that worked out though :D
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Day One Vote Count
rsoultin (2): Mocsta, Conversion
Koshi (1): Holyflare
Holyflare (1): mderg
ritoky (1): rsoultin
Not Voting (8): Damdred, ritoky, darthfoley, Rels, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Trfel, prplhz
rsoultin is currently the designated lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Feb 07 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
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On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 06:44 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
Let me rephrase so that this is easier to understand, then.
What does scum 'light' comment even mean? Sure thing. Means you said you were tempted to call rayn scum for reason XYZ Thats a weak phrase association. Hrnce. Light weight. Hence 'light' Lol >< Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town.Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it.
I don't really understand this. You called him potentially mafia for calling you out for asinine reasoning but he does it as town?
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