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I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.
Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this?On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
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Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument..
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On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument..
hmm, i agree the ritoky thing could equally be in jest.
but i find it damning that you had to "gloss over your filter" in order to confirm your position.
I agree with trfel that you are suspicious. I need to read a serial killer game.
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Mocsta, you seem so town, but.....
Your reasoning for voting for rsoultin here and your case here don't really seem to be the same at all. Can you explain this?
I do see what you're saying about your point #2, I don't see it as a big deal, though. To me, the importance of something can change over time, as it's relative. It makes sense to me that rsoultin saw the serial killer comment as being important relative to the other things in the thread at the time, but irrelevant compared to actual reads and following discussions. So in some ways it's both important and unimportant at once.
On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument.. If you would prefer I'm willing to give you space and see what you do with it. I'm not trying to misrepresent what you do, I'm trying to see the thought that is behind your posts to figure out your alignment; to that end if I do misinterpret them I am sorry. Right now I am having some trouble believing some of the things you have said, but I would be interested in your reads on the rest of the game if you have any.
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Hi Trfel.
Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol 
I wonder why you dont think they are related?
I still comment on passive aggression.
The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read.
I wrote a wall of text because
A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful
B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part.
Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion.
This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic.
Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation.
P.S you are super town to me
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On February 06 2018 14:32 Trfel wrote:Mocsta, you seem so town, but..... Your reasoning for voting for rsoultin here and your case here don't really seem to be the same at all. Can you explain this? I do see what you're saying about your point #2, I don't see it as a big deal, though. To me, the importance of something can change over time, as it's relative. It makes sense to me that rsoultin saw the serial killer comment as being important relative to the other things in the thread at the time, but irrelevant compared to actual reads and following discussions. So in some ways it's both important and unimportant at once.
Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument.. If you would prefer I'm willing to give you space and see what you do with it. I'm not trying to misrepresent what you do, I'm trying to see the thought that is behind your posts to figure out your alignment; to that end if I do misinterpret them I am sorry. Right now I am having some trouble believing some of the things you have said, but I would be interested in your reads on the rest of the game if you have any.
Right, but making arguments such as "Conversion is trying to get others to vote for rsoultin," and then quoting something that isn't clearly me trying to get others to pile on to rsoultin is just that. I'm not mad or frustrated, I just don't get why it goes from good point about something -> far fetched argument, saying I'm inconsistent in saying that I wasn't trying to get others to vote rsoultin when I really wasn't.
I'm going to get some sleep anyways. I want to see what others have to say.
Ending the night with decent confidence in you and Mocsta being town isn't bad for me at all.
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On February 06 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:Hi Trfel. Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol I wonder why you dont think they are related? I still comment on passive aggression. The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read. I wrote a wall of text because A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part. Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion. This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic. Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation. P.S you are super town to me I understand better now. Thanks for clarifying. That thought process makes enough sense.
That's fair. I am not super confident in rsoultin's alignment honestly, I slightly think she is town but could be wrong. I generally don't like to defend others though, would be interested to see what rsoultin says about it.
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm  .
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On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:38 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:28 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 07:14 darthfoley wrote:
I would just like to say that I shamelessly agree with thread sentiment that rsoultin pointing out the SK thing in the way that she did is scummy
i generally skip past rayn's post because he takes four paragraphs to explain what could be explained in two sentences. public service announcement More importantly; considering the bolb, what do you make of the interaction between rsoultin and I? I don't think either of you look particularly townie, but she looks scummy. I kind of skip past lots of your wall of text posts.Fwiw I think conversion's intro sounded kind of forced but the way rsoultin called it out seemed scummy. Like something opportunistic mafia might latch onto to have "something." Waiting for half the game to play. I don't really have any Town reads yet i dont understand how you can brush off what im writing: when you state i am possibly scum; and the person I am writing about looks scummy. I dont have a problem if you think my "wall of text" is simple; but I would appreciate if you can highlight why that is so. 1. Rsoultin latched onto something opportunistic 2. She got defensive and pissy with questions to answer questions when called out 3. She hasn't really started snooping/being cocky yet (game is very young so this isn't a truly fair point)
2 and 3 are good points. 1 is not.
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On February 06 2018 12:13 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.
I'll read Mocsta's case soon. Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer? No In that case I'm really confused as to your thought process. You've said that Mocsta doesn't impress you, but seem to agree with everything he's saying and doing about rsoultin. To me it seems like your suspicions of Mocsta due to his waking up/going to sleep posts should be vastly outweighed by his making the main push in the thread that you are in agreement with. So what is it that makes them so similar; or why are you still so suspicious of Mocsta?
Excellent post though.
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I think ritoky might be mafia.
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lol. quite a content quality difference between HF and Rayn thus far
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On February 06 2018 13:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 13:19 Conversion wrote:
I also don't get how you determined that I did not care about mderg's comment-- he answered me indirectly by answering rsoultin and said bullshitty was the wrong word for it, so I had no more to follow up on it. Fair enough. I feel that when someone asks a question, gets a response, and doesn't mention it again, that they didn't really care about it in the first place, but I'm willing to drop this point.
This is not true Trfel. At least i know i drop discussing the point if the answer satisfies me.
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On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
This post is very confusing to me. Can someone with better english tell me what this actually means because to me it reads "i misread my filter and made a wrong conclusion because of it".
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On February 06 2018 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there. This post is very confusing to me. Can someone with better english tell me what this actually means because to me it reads "i misread my filter and made a wrong conclusion because of it". That is a polite translation; but essentially is correct.
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On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument..
Conversion could you tell me which part of Trfel's post is the bolded part an answer to?
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Top half of 181 dude...
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.
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Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
Conversion was caught out indicating he agreed with everythign I wrote, yet refused to vote for content i submitted - instead coming up with a novel alternative.
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Okay, i can't make a decision in what that makes him. Gun to head i'd say town.
Mocsta, while your case is essentially all correct i do not think that in general makes anyone mafia. At least all the points. However since you haven't played that much with Tina it makes sense you make a case like that. The point i find most damning about her is that the argument is towards me. I specifically asked for Damdred because he is one of the players who can actually understand the following point.
The feeling i get from rsoultin's posts is that he is trying to downplay me, for a reason i don't understand at all. Especially the comments "You were unable to leave it alone" and "lacking a sense of humor" make me feel like she thinks i am stupid or something, when in fact i asked a perfectly reasonable (and correctly predicted -- i mean in a sense that she DID have a point) question. But when the answer finally came i should have let it go earlier (why?) or learn some humor (why? it wasn't a joke). The real problem isn't her saying so, it is her saying so towards a player she herself claims calls her mafia for stupid reasons when she is town -- aka, if you felt like that you should never ever act this way towards the player because the end result is what you claim "always happens". What you should do, is that when that player interacts towards you you are precise in your answers to prevent that from happening. And that was not all she did, she even threw some gas into the flames by saying things that were not only incorrect but from my opinion only designed to irritate.
Damdred knows this, i believe he knows this from this exact point of view. Which is why i wanted his opinion.
I believe ritoky knows this aswell. The reason i think he might be mafia is that he doesn't really take part into the actual conversation about rsoultin at all, he just invents a nonsense reason to call rsoultin an alignment and not talk about it further. The reason is especially nonsense because yes, while that is what often happens when rsoultin is mafia, the last game rsoultin was mafia she got called out and "shat on" because of exactly that reason. I find it very hard to believe she would continue the "trend" as mafia, soooo yeah.. the reasoning ritoky uses to townread rsoultin is nonsense.
I have kind of mixed feelings about Holyflare's approach to this situation. On the other hand i can see reasons why he would attack me as town in that situation, on the other hand the last game where rsoultin was mafia she treated Holyflare in an exact same (imo just in more exaggerated) way early on in the game, so i have problems figuring out why he can't see my point. Also i feel like the vote on Koshi was actually well justified, the reason he dropped it for wasn't, at all.
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I don't like her follow up. I agree with that much. I just think your initial points were overblown and I wanted to see if it was pointless pressure or not.
I think trfel points on df are quite excellent and we should sheep them though.
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On February 06 2018 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like her follow up. I agree with that much. I just think your initial points were overblown and I wanted to see if it was pointless pressure or not.
I don't understand since i made the exact same points i am making now.
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I agree though that df can easily be mafia.
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