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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 08:43 GMT
#1147
On February 08 2018 17:28 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
It's probably frustrating to try and better yourself and your play to be met with the same results that you had previously.


What, two people scumreading him? I think it was just koshi and mocsta.

I know that emotions aren't logical by definition but I usually find the reasons for them make sense.


He's done it to one person so yes?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 13:58 GMT
#1251
Lynching your scum reads is bad play. You have to lynch the least resistance and you get mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 14:33 GMT
#1262
On February 08 2018 23:11 disformation wrote:
aight. @hf: any reeds to share while you are here? who u gonna want to lynch tomorrow?
also not sure where your conversion read is currently at. dont think mr. roboto is necessarily an alignment.


I am swamped and have absolutely no concrete scum reads.

I haven't particularly given this game much thought and it bugs me but work is too pressing. I've just been narrowing down town reads and even those are loose.

Ritoky/koshi seemed fine to me so that's why I hopped wagon. Honestly other than those two not much else. Hopefully have more for you at some point when I have a good sit down.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 16:23 GMT
#1313
First scum reads. I really believe that my first assessment of the vote is correct. The mderg wagon is pure and we had two scum up for lynch in mderg/rsoultin. Hence why they both moved near the same time for thw same reason when people were softing about jumping off


Damdred is mafia for this whole post. You don't have the mderg wagon being full of pure people but simultaneously think both wagons were mafia. My vote absolutely looks like credit grabbing in that world. I had a case on rsoul and voted the leading wagon?

Nah

Don't buy it at all. Damdred is my lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 19:07 GMT
#1321
Damdred says that the wagon is pure. Why is the wagon pure? The only reason for the wagon to be pure is because they lynched mafia. Then directly after this he breaks down his thought process of BOTH wagons being mafia. This directly negates his first statement. The wagon is no longer pure.

I am in his town reads. I've been pushing not much apart from rsoultin and yet I lynched mderg for no evidently discernable reason other than filter lengths and then I lauded a bunch of credit over everybody. If both wagons are mafia I fit the role of person trying to get cred quite a bit. It's not even a thought though.

Why is the other wagon impure if they are also on mafia?

Doesn't make any sense. Now this rage when it's uncalled for and all I did was make a point? Communication is a two way street and he could have explained his reasoning at any point but hasn't.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 20:03 GMT
#1329
On February 09 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote:
You never even try to talk to me any anymore hf and we use to talk all the time in games. noe you just lynch me for shit reasons and then say i play like shit.

I dont care, i have said multiple times today im ignoring that wagon and co sidering them town. i had an argument with mocata about it.

and uncalled for? i keep getting called trash all game and all last game, idk what the fuck ive done to deserve such treatment but ill just get lynched and keep getting called trash so what the fuck ever.


I've left a big glaring open inconsistency in your thought process in the thread. You're perfectly capable of initiating a dialogue and explaining why that inconsistency isn't an inconsistency and why you think the wagon is pure whilst thinking it's a double mafia lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 20:11 GMT
#1333
I don't think you'd use the word "pure" for anything other than saying that being on a mafia lynch makes them not touchable. I don't think you'd use the words pure wagon meaning you just town read everyone on the wagon instead. In your read post it doesn't look like you town read those people for reasons other than they lynched mderg.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 20:39 GMT
#1340
On February 09 2018 05:05 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 04:50 Trfel wrote:
Trying to understand your vote on rsoultin at the end. Yes I know the vote looks horrid. No I don't think that makes you mafia. I'm not asking about that part.

Correct me if I am missing something but going into EoD you were kinda townreading rsoultin and suspicious of mderg. Then both rsoultin and mderg did similar plays (not voting each other to save themselves). This caused you to not want to lynch mderg but vote for rsoultin instead, correct? I saw that you said that this is because rsoultin wasn't in actual danger while mderg actually was. The question is really why do you say that? Mderg was only leading rsoultin by one vote with people still to vote and no one would have blamed mderg for switching back. I don't see why rsoultin wasn't in danger there.

Second question, I may have missed this, but what is it that makes you think the mderg voters are all pure?


These are both good questions ill answer. Thats correct mderg did his suicidal play first and then rsoultin did hers.

I attempted to find a third wagon that people could move towards or I myself would want to move towards. But the thread was not in position for shenanigans thankfully.

And I think you have the wrong idea about the vote count. When I voted with seconds left the vote was 5-3 in favor of mderg over rsoultin, it was 5-4 after my vote so it would of taken me+two others to lynch rsoultin as mderg would always have the tie breaker.

As for why I think the wagon is pure right now. Its just how I am seeing the game.

Mderg basically killed himself with nothing to gain. He could of stayed on rsoultin which would of put it more in flux who gets lynched.

I have steong town reads on Ritoky, you trufel, mocsta and koshi (out of the five). All of these people were on mderg pretty early and in some cases pushed him rather hard and left when their was still a chance to save him bit didnt.


HF I think is town as well, I do think partially the only reason he didnt end up on tina was because of his saving volume posters and df. However I think the df/hf argument fight did not look like t v t. And hf came out looking much better. So i tr him for it.

if i missed anythinf point it out


This is also another part I have a problem with, specifically the Mocsta part. Here is a collection of all your Mocsta posts this game:

On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment.

Tina why you talk to me that way when i havent even been hostile as of yet?

Mocata why is me being absent so acum indicative exactly? Seems strange.

Honestly to the thread Mocsta is botgering me a bit honestly the last bit ive read. He pushed Tina pretty hard but ended up elsewhere while soft pushing me so far. Just tickles me in a bad way.


Scum read basically.

On February 08 2018 03:21 Damdred wrote:
idk its a bit strange to me that when i got back you didnt jump on me to try to talk to me... and its annoying when i have postes very few have talked to me.

You didnt evwm talk to me about mocsta or tell me i was wrong and read the thread more idk.


Sad that person didn't talk to him about Mocsta, because he had bad thoughts about Mocsta, because it was a scum read.

On February 08 2018 04:25 Damdred wrote:
I could probably lynch Mocsta/prp/ maybe mderg

The more I communicate with you tina the mbre i think you might be town. Mderg is a maybe he has some thinfs that look the same from last game but his scum reads are sort of meh so far.

Its difficult and im atill forming opinions atm


Wants to lynch mocsta/prp/mderg MAYBE (this is a whole other argument about you being mafia that I'll get to). Either way, Mocsta definitive scum read at this point.

On February 08 2018 07:00 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 06:48 Mocsta wrote:
On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment.

Tina why you talk to me that way when i havent even been hostile as of yet?

Mocata why is me being absent so acum indicative exactly? Seems strange.

Honestly to the thread Mocsta is botgering me a bit honestly the last bit ive read. He pushed Tina pretty hard but ended up elsewhere while soft pushing me so far. Just tickles me in a bad way.

Tickles you furrher

So i bussed mderg 8 hrs from lynch with no need.. lol

Gtfo

The list was a disgrace. Much like this post


Firstly, I dont talk to people in a disrespectful way and I expect even if someone disagrees with something I said to speak to me the same way I would speak to them.

Now at the time I made this post I was not sure what way I was flowing and tried to interact with people about my reads.

So yes I thought you could potwnrially be scum for the way you are soft pushing me for being sick. And so I had no way of knowing wat mderg would flip. Which yes at least foe tommorow everyone on mderg is town.



Post-lynch and Mocsta calls out Damdred. Damdred reiterates that everyone on the wagon can be town. Meaning he is purely saying they're town for lynching mderg. No other reason whatsoever. Mocsta was damdred's scum read for a long time after all.


Town:
Holyflare
Mocsta
Koshi
Ritoky
Trfel

These five are what I consider the pure wagon, I dont believe that a mafia was on mderg especialy with how thw votes landed.


Here he restates that it's because they were on mderg while in the same post saying that it's a double mafia wagon with rsoultin!!!

Why do these people get free town reads and the people trying to lynch rsoultin don't???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 20:43 GMT
#1342
In fact if you have a scum read on mocsta during the day and he just afks on mderg at a point when mderg wasn't even getting lynched and he's in a completely different timezone that means he can't be around why wouldn't that spark your interest that maybe he could be bussing? You think there's two mafia wagons on day 1 and have just arbitrarily said all of those people are town despite multiple people on that wagon just hopping on for free credit?

Your town read on me is also separated from the rest and it's really odd. I'm town because I hopped onto mderg when I did? There was no alternative in your universe. I get home from work and mafia partner mderg is up for lynch or mafia partner rsoultin is up for lynch. Why don't I get that sweet credit and save a potential roleblocker from dying? Doesn't even become part of your read at this point. I'm just town and I don't get it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 20:44 GMT
#1343
On February 09 2018 05:42 ritoky wrote:
but guys, what happened to the SK?


I've been here all along.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 20:48 GMT
#1345
On February 07 2018 21:36 Skynx wrote:
Day One Vote Count


rsoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (2): Holyflare, Trfel
mderg (2):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta
prplhz (1):: Koshi
Conversion (0): rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg
ritoky (0): rsoultin
darthfoley (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (4): Damdred, Rels, prplhz, rsoultin

rsoultin is currently the designated lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Feb 07 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .


At the point Mocsta voted mderg Rsoultin was up for lynch and he was on the huge wagon at the time and jumped off. It's not like he secured the mderg lynch or anything at all so it's another reason to at least falter in your blanket town reads on him if you are so inclined to scum read him, which you have all game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 21:04 GMT
#1350
On February 09 2018 05:59 Damdred wrote:
Is there a question in there hf or are you going to keep trying to convinxe me im scum?

Actually you got it, ill sheep you baby.

##vote Damdred

and for the record the rsoultin wagon cant be pure if i have a scumread on someone on it.

And i am literally not going to go thrpugh all of these posts i dont have it in me unless you can take it slower and ask ome thing at a time.



This is quite literally the entire crux of it. All those posts highlight you've been scum reading Mocsta all game so why does it change when he's on the mderg wagon? If I voted rsoultin there and she flipped mafia he'd STILL be a scum read for you!

This is pretty much what I'm getting at. You think it's a double mafia wagon but have arbitrarily given your biggest scum read a pass for lynching mafia but not a pass for your mafia read on rsoultin wagon, who you also think is mafia. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me.

So why don't you keep scum reading Mocsta?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 21:07 GMT
#1353
On February 09 2018 06:06 prplhz wrote:
What happened to lynching Conversion? Right now Damdred has the most votes.


Do you disagree with the damdred is mafia lynch or what?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 21:10 GMT
#1355
On February 09 2018 06:09 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
On February 09 2018 06:06 prplhz wrote:
What happened to lynching Conversion? Right now Damdred has the most votes.


Do you disagree with the damdred is mafia lynch or what?

No, but I think it's weird that everybody seemed to forget about Conversion or something. I think both are good lynches.


By the way you said you didn't like the mderg or rsoultin wagon previously and just before that said you like the reasoning on DF being mafia so why didn't you jump on DF with them? Why isn't he featured in your reads now?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2018 21:42 GMT
#1364
On February 09 2018 06:22 Damdred wrote:
@Rayn, Ok here is how it is in my mind.

Mocsta had reasoning to swap off of Mderg and hop back onto Tina. He spent a lot of hia filter preasuring her, moving against her. If mderg and mocsta were zcum together it would be easy at that point in ths thread to move and strengthen the rsoultin lynch if she is towm and he is scum. It makes no sense for him to lynch mderg espe ialy given how he played last game.

If both are mafia, it doesnt clear him at all though. And ill readily admit that, eapecially if rsoultin is a better role in that regard. (i mean his vote)


Besides that I think mocsta reevaluating on me when it was much easier to go with thread sentiment during the night was townie and different from theblast scum game he played. In the same vein when night started he was super antagonksti. towards me and set i was scum, but softened and tried to find things.

I think his vote looks good to me, the way he approa hes the game is different. tonally he is also didderent as he seems much more confrontational in review.

As for df I dont know exactly what the plan was. tina nor mderg really never seemed to have a lot of thread pull necessarily and it seemed no ome really got up to a momentum to go against them in the vote department.

I thought i did explaim about df, he fought woth hf and i thought the fight disnt feel like t v t. hf came out looking better. df has been misconstruing different things to make people look bad, me and my vote for reasons that arent teue, hf in the fight.

One of the things ive tried to read df as, as s um is hes a bit more hostile as scum than town I think. So it sort of fits here to.

And I just think you are town. You are pushing on little things that you think are inconsistant like the rs sk thing. and this conversation we are having now instead of teying to bury me.

I mean I could just be reading the game like im an idiot i guess? But I kinda think im just right.


but that's the world that you're living in, that rsoultin is mafia!!!!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 09 2018 07:48 GMT
#1528
I'm sorry damdy it's not like I intentionally don't talk to you, I don't talk to anyone because I'm barely around. We're never really around at the same time. I don't know if I can get over you saying the wagon is pure when you think both wagons are mafia. In your read on mocsta that I bolded it's also just super confusing hedge. You start saying if rsoultin is mafia he could be mafia (the world you're living in) but then completely counter your own argument in the next paragraph. It bugs me a lot.

It just seems like you're plugging the holes that get picked up on to me. Sorry if I'm wrong but that's just what I feel.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 09 2018 11:48 GMT
#1561
You shouldn't even joke.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 09 2018 11:49 GMT
#1562
That's kind of ruined the game in fact.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 09 2018 13:33 GMT
#1593
On February 09 2018 21:02 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 21:00 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 20:59 Mocsta wrote:
On February 09 2018 20:56 Conversion wrote:
Why did Mocsta just post a PM? Fake or not. Wasn’t that against the rules? Weird play..
its only against the rules if the same from the host.

Get over it

This is what brings you to thread. Pfft


I just woke up you kangaroo.
good morning to you too

Apologies if in your filter but do you think one of hf and rayn MUST be acum?


Wut? How did you get my name?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 09 2018 18:31 GMT
#1619
I'm playing good this game
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