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On February 07 2018 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So uh oh.... is Damdred town or mafia?
I read him on emotion and tone...usually related to how he's being pushed. I'd say a bit of a scumlean, though. Even ignoring that he's wrong on me, which is unusual but not impossible, going back through ritoky's filter he's actually been super fluid in his reads and poking in a lot of places. Unless I'm wrong on ritoky, which I actually used to be quite frequently, it bugs me that Ian is scumreading him.
I'd like a more thorough description of why.
Although maybe the easiest way to read him is to just vote him and see how he reacts, lol
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On February 07 2018 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont get how the first post you made and this second one go together quite well since in the first post you gave totally different reasons for him possibly being mafia than in the second one.
I've read ritoky's filter between the first and the second.
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On February 07 2018 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also srsly think ritoky hasn't done shit in this game. The most close thing to doing anything is the Koshi emotional burst but that also happened to be 100% bs.
Read his filter and then tell me you don't see it.
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I'm torn on mocsta. On the one hand, he's sticking to his guns, which is quite different than his scum game. He's also poking and prodding at people around his case. But he's not really focused beyond what people say about his case or the non-existent rsoul. I don't think that's necessarily scummy, but I do think it's an easy way for scum to play because it only requires focus on two fronts. I'd even say slight townread for the bolded meta point.
What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me:
On February 06 2018 06:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 06:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:38 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? you know tina Insteas of answering a question with a question You can continue to deflect by answering the question lol Or you could clarify as I asked. That's also a thing. Why so mad? Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl
For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been.
Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh.
Now I'm talking in circles.
It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play.
Leaning scum.
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On February 07 2018 18:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So uh oh.... is Damdred town or mafia? I read him on emotion and tone...usually related to how he's being pushed. I'd say a bit of a scumlean, though. Even ignoring that he's wrong on me, which is unusual but not impossible, going back through ritoky's filter he's actually been super fluid in his reads and poking in a lot of places. Unless I'm wrong on ritoky, which I actually used to be quite frequently, it bugs me that Ian is scumreading him.I'd like a more thorough description of why. Although maybe the easiest way to read him is to just vote him and see how he reacts, lol I also don't get how we got to ritoky while talking about damdred. You've been pointing out ritoky posts you've hated all game so what reads are 'fluid"???
Not the reads themselves, the overall picture of the game, Joni. I was dubious about him not actively pushing the one scummy read he seemed to have. His explanations were reasonable if unverifiable. I'm allowed to change my mind after rereading his filter (and a bit before, obv, given I unvoted him) -flicks-
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On February 07 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you mean the Koshi stuff i think it is slightly more likely to come from mafia. I have had huge fights with Holyflare when we have both been town. Same with you. ritoky's stuff on Koshi doesn't matter because not only is it wrong but it is just a spacegoat to not do anything or discern his alignment. Same as the smiley read. What i mean is that i would never as town use "lol you're so annoying because you always are" or "we always fight about stupid stuff" (when getting into an argument) to "strengthen" my argument, which to me seems like ritoky is doing.
Not talking about the koshi stuff at all. That's also NAI to me. It would be true as either alignment, from both of them. They're babbling about nothing relevant to the game.
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On February 07 2018 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta is voting for you Tina so idk what you're talking about.
He's lining up for a shift, or are you blind today, lol?
If you're going to argue with every post I make in an effort to derail me because you think that I'm scum, could you kindly consider the very real and true possibility that I'm town trying to get my reads out? I'm not even saying don't lynch me. Do. Bury me. It's okay. You don't even need to talk for that.
And you can explain all the things you think are wrong with my posts after I'm done. Or I can just stop posting as I go...you know what, I'll do that. You probably can't help yourself cause you're you.
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On February 07 2018 18:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 18:19 Holyflare wrote:On February 07 2018 18:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So uh oh.... is Damdred town or mafia? I read him on emotion and tone...usually related to how he's being pushed. I'd say a bit of a scumlean, though. Even ignoring that he's wrong on me, which is unusual but not impossible, going back through ritoky's filter he's actually been super fluid in his reads and poking in a lot of places. Unless I'm wrong on ritoky, which I actually used to be quite frequently, it bugs me that Ian is scumreading him.I'd like a more thorough description of why. Although maybe the easiest way to read him is to just vote him and see how he reacts, lol I also don't get how we got to ritoky while talking about damdred. You've been pointing out ritoky posts you've hated all game so what reads are 'fluid"??? Not the reads themselves, the overall picture of the game, Joni. I was dubious about him not actively pushing the one scummy read he seemed to have. His explanations were reasonable if unverifiable. I'm allowed to change my mind after rereading his filter (and a bit before, obv, given I unvoted him) -flicks- What is fluid about his view of the game???
I mean, I could quote most of the posts from his filter, but it's really just an overall sense.
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On February 07 2018 18:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta is voting for you Tina so idk what you're talking about. He's lining up for a shift, or are you blind today, lol? It's because i don't see the point doing so if you're town and he is mafia. He has a case. People agree (at least on the lynch). But yeah, i will stop bothering you, do your thing.
He doesn't need a point. Remember his shift to mderg last game? It almost seems like a nervous tick...I think he even said in his scum QT it was because he was bored.
Anyway, it's only a slight negative, because I can also see it from a town perspective. Just kind of negates the positive meta point that this was different play from his scum game.
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Ritoky posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 06 2018 06:27 ritoky wrote:
hf On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. On February 06 2018 12:24 ritoky wrote:
truffle On February 06 2018 18:57 ritoky wrote:
truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote.
conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote.
nothing else interesting. On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote:
Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote:
df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? On February 07 2018 09:01 ritoky wrote:
You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard. On February 07 2018 09:49 ritoky wrote:
i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky. On February 07 2018 08:52 ritoky wrote:
I mean statistically damdred is more likely mafia than wrong about my alignment, so there's that.
These are slightly out of order to show where reads are changing, but that's what I mean by fluid, HF.
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On February 07 2018 18:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:I'm torn on mocsta. On the one hand, he's sticking to his guns, which is quite different than his scum game. He's also poking and prodding at people around his case. But he's not really focused beyond what people say about his case or the non-existent rsoul. I don't think that's necessarily scummy, but I do think it's an easy way for scum to play because it only requires focus on two fronts. I'd even say slight townread for the bolded meta point. What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me: On February 06 2018 06:42 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:38 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? you know tina Insteas of answering a question with a question You can continue to deflect by answering the question lol Or you could clarify as I asked. That's also a thing. Why so mad? Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been. Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh. Now I'm talking in circles. It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play. Leaning scum. So im leaning scum? The whole irony of this post is you say i should hav ebetter eq on you, suggesting perhaps you didnt realise i was considering an unvote. however, later you comment on this, so you should know i have realised myself i may have tilted you. with that contradiction, now i can only keep my vote. damdred is scum with you i dont have to re-read, thanks for saving me a couple horus.
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On February 07 2018 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you tell me what you mean with fluid?
It's a little hard to describe. It's how I caught Damerion, though. It's not just changing reads on an individual, but also just changing reads based on new information in the thread. I'm not saying that ritoky is really hard-pushing anything (that was what I thought was scummy the first time through) but I am saying that his view of the game is shifting with new information. I generally find that towny.
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On February 07 2018 18:38 rsoultin wrote:Ritoky posts: + Show Spoiler +On February 06 2018 06:27 ritoky wrote:
hf On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. On February 06 2018 12:24 ritoky wrote:
truffle On February 06 2018 18:57 ritoky wrote:
truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote.
conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote.
nothing else interesting. On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote:
Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote:
df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? On February 07 2018 09:01 ritoky wrote:
You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard. On February 07 2018 09:49 ritoky wrote:
i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky. On February 07 2018 08:52 ritoky wrote:
I mean statistically damdred is more likely mafia than wrong about my alignment, so there's that. These are slightly out of order to show where reads are changing, but that's what I mean by fluid, HF.
Literally just posted this Joni lol. And again, it's a universal sense not a, here's a post here's a post let me explain each one sort of thing.
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On February 07 2018 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tina i assume you're caught up with the thread is that right?
No, I'm filter diving. Is there something you wanted me to comment on?
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On February 07 2018 18:40 Mocsta wrote:
EQ = Emotional equivalent of IQ
i have no issue with Ritoky at this point.
I think hes honest with not playing like this before and being to the point.
Would be a 1 or 2 on the ritoky scale.
This was how I was interpreting EQ as well, to be clear. Yes he called me the equivalent of emotionally stupid in his scum QT. That sort of thing sticks in my memory.
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On February 07 2018 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you tell me what you mean with fluid? It's a little hard to describe. It's how I caught Damerion, though. It's not just changing reads on an individual, but also just changing reads based on new information in the thread. I'm not saying that ritoky is really hard-pushing anything (that was what I thought was scummy the first time through) but I am saying that his view of the game is shifting with new information. I generally find that towny. I generally agree with the statement but when your reads start at bullshit level 10 it is easy to change them to reasonable level 1.
What reads did you think were bullshit from ritoky?
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On February 07 2018 18:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:40 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 18:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:I'm torn on mocsta. On the one hand, he's sticking to his guns, which is quite different than his scum game. He's also poking and prodding at people around his case. But he's not really focused beyond what people say about his case or the non-existent rsoul. I don't think that's necessarily scummy, but I do think it's an easy way for scum to play because it only requires focus on two fronts. I'd even say slight townread for the bolded meta point. What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me: On February 06 2018 06:42 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:38 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
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So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? you know tina Insteas of answering a question with a question You can continue to deflect by answering the question lol Or you could clarify as I asked. That's also a thing. Why so mad? Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been. Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh. Now I'm talking in circles. It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play. Leaning scum. So im leaning scum? The whole irony of this post is you say i should hav ebetter eq on you, suggesting perhaps you didnt realise i was considering an unvote. however, later you comment on this, so you should know i have realised myself i may have tilted you. with that contradiction, now i can only keep my vote. damdred is scum with you i dont have to re-read, thanks for saving me a couple horus. i cant understand for the life of me why you would do this as either town or mafia. i was ready to give you a chance and this just makes no sense as a play other than mafia toying around before death.
Hun, I'm making reads posts for after I flip. If you're town and my slight scumread is wrong, apologies, but I really don't see the point of your post there and feel no need to answer it. I did, however, acknowledge it so that you know that I read what you said.
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On February 07 2018 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually no i dnot care about anything other than this.
Who were you fiter diving Tina? which ppl and why?
I'm literally just going down the player list, rayn. Looking at DF right now, but I think I need to read the truffle comments on him because I don't remember them well and it's a big point in his filter.
Not that that really matters.
I think that I was having trouble seeing the forest for the trees because I was too focused on myself this game, which is my bad. It's not the first time that's happened, but I understand why people don't remember what I'm like when being scumread; it's been years. So I'm trying to go back through more objectively. For what that's worth.
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On February 07 2018 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 07 2018 18:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can you tell me what you mean with fluid? It's a little hard to describe. It's how I caught Damerion, though. It's not just changing reads on an individual, but also just changing reads based on new information in the thread. I'm not saying that ritoky is really hard-pushing anything (that was what I thought was scummy the first time through) but I am saying that his view of the game is shifting with new information. I generally find that towny. I generally agree with the statement but when your reads start at bullshit level 10 it is easy to change them to reasonable level 1. What reads did you think were bullshit from ritoky? read on you read on koshi read on damdred read on trfel all of those were in my opinion based on superficial things that dont make anyone anything (and the koshi read wasnt even a read which made me think he isnt even doing anything or does not want to)
Me and koshi I agree on, though the koshi read really shouldn't even count imo since he never claimed it was real. The damdred and truffel reads seem legitimate enough to me, though. That's probably where you and I value different things.
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On February 07 2018 18:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually no i dnot care about anything other than this.
Who were you fiter diving Tina? which ppl and why? I'm literally just going down the player list, rayn. Looking at DF right now, but I think I need to read the truffle comments on him because I don't remember them well and it's a big point in his filter.Not that that really matters. I think that I was having trouble seeing the forest for the trees because I was too focused on myself this game, which is my bad. It's not the first time that's happened, but I understand why people don't remember what I'm like when being scumread; it's been years. So I'm trying to go back through more objectively. For what that's worth.
No, it was you Rayn, not truffle. Misread that because he was talking all about truffle before.
Some individual posts from darth foley still tonally resonate with me as being pretty fuck the world I'm gonna do what I want, but his filter in general actually reads more angry and defensive than I remember. I also don't like how he's mostly just scumreading people who are scumreading him after the initial scumreads on both myself and mocsta. To be fair, I actually think the original scumreads on mocsta and myself are okay given his last game and the buss that went on there. But scumreading whoever scumreads him (truffle, rayn) was exactly what he did as scum in Newbie.
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