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Rsoul is mafia compendium part 1:
Conversion is mafia (??????????????????????????):
+ Show Spoiler [literally just ctrl+f conversion] +On February 07 2018 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
##unvote
##vote Conversion On February 06 2018 05:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer Lol, dude, you actually had me checking to see if there were a possible serial killer in this game @.@ On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer...
-eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 10:10 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me Why? Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. bolded part in particular bothers me a lot since I could only really see 3 "joke" posts (trfel, me, rsoultin), so it's like there was only really one "joke" post but she makes it seem like there were a larger amount that she had to filter through Literally everything in the thread up to that point apart from perhaps Joni's post was a joke post? And I'm not sure how I made it seem like a larger amount to you. This is also pretty blatantly misrepresentative given I was poking at everyone doing the jokes, not just you. It's just the one Joni pinged on and turned into the thing to discuss in the thread @.@ On February 06 2018 18:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Meh. Not really liking this list post. It's defending me without defending me, which is more likely to come from scum, and I like where he's at on df and conv because that's where I'm at, but the default to lynching koshi is just shit-tastic. Have no reason to anything koshi, so why him over poop soup, for instance? Probably one of the only posts I'll actually make comment on because I hate it. The red is just calling him mafia but then for some reason it's justified with the really out of place fall back to "oh but he has the same reads as me!" as if it means something good but then proceeds to shit on him further with the koshi comment? I'd have absolutely no problem with it if it didn't have the green portion but this makes it look like rsoul was piecing together two different mindsets in one in a forced post. On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. I lied. I'm commenting on this too. All of the above posts are ctrl + f of rsoul's filter for the word "conv" so as you can see there's absolutely 0 reasons to scum read conversion in any of these posts other than the "joke" at the beginning of the game which allegedly meant nothing but also something. Suddenly all her reads are conversion centric and even bases reads on ritoky in the future on an unsubstantiated read. Don't like at allllllll. OH and FURTHER TO THIS is that the lynch list is Conversion/ritoky/mderg but there's no reason for any of them in this post. It's just a bit on ritoky and that's it. On February 06 2018 19:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 18:59 Mocsta wrote:
tina
if you are planning to ignore my case by shitting on it for "length"
then at least have the courtesy of addressing point#2. First off, I'm not shitting on it for length. It's difficult for me to follow in many cases. And I'm not sure what exactly you want me to address in point 2. I've already explained where my head was at. I found it weird enough to prod Conv for reactions but not worth pursuing. You're right that I didn't go Look at me I found an amazing sign that Conv is scum \o/ Because I hadn't. Nor did I ever attempt to sell it as that. Nor was it a look at me I'm so towny generating content \o/. I'm one of the spammiest mafiosos on this site, and you may not know that, but everyone who has played with me a fair amount does. It's simply not something I'd try to sell as any alignment. I'm town. You'll see it or you won't. Or you're scum. I really don't give a fuck. If you're town here (and I think you are given you didn't just sit there on your silly bomb nonsense once I ignored you) you decided I was scum just for poking Conv in the first place on his SK joke and have been looking at everything through the lens of my being scum since. If you're good, you'll get untunneled. If you're not, whatever. On February 06 2018 19:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:13 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement. You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question? is posting overly verbose chaff this mocsta guy's thing? Why koshi over Conversion, ritoky? On February 06 2018 19:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:28 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2018 06:27 Mocsta wrote:
Hf
Why stir rhis by voting.
Why not see it out?
Im confused by what you could meaningfully expect to achieve ? I don't need to play it out. That's way too overblown. However. I agree completelt with rayn. Hes just typing it more than i can be bothered. Is it likely him and i are mafia? If not. I would like to see this throigh. As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? Ah, yeah, that was in response to your post. I was just saying that Conversion's post was the most interesting of the posts that had been made so far. Which...wasn't saying much. Also my point. While I don't mind trying to clarify for people what I was thinking, I'm getting pretty tired of rehashing what was essentially just a poke at Conversion to see how he'd react -_- Not sure how many times I can explain this. On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? Interesting post towards ritoky accusing him of not pushing Conversion when as you can see above there is 0 push on Conversion from Rsoultin too. On February 06 2018 19:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote:All, I would appreciate your feedback on points below relating to rsoultin.For context, I was very impressed by town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated inclusive scum hunting; logical town hunting; an open-mindedness to alternate views, joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against. Refer to here if interested.
Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above. What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation.
#1Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK. However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation. Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this. Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2. This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again. Regarding items in red. The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question; there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me. Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure. None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] +On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer...
-eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
-flicks- You're not Conversion. On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that.
On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation".
On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
Did I? On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations.
On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not.
I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose.
In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up.
On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote:I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone  The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia. Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game.
#2Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree. However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting. On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless. On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting. The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here. + Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote:
As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion.
On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point?
#3I have 2 core issues here. A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean. However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean. B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read. This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out. Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play. But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda. This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin.+ Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
[...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
[...] On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:
hi tina
Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment
Humour or passive aggression?
On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? [.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..] On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote:
Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town.
Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it.
Item #4So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure. However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg. ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia. This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2. I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further. Non of that is apparent. Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town. The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no? + Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote:
Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually.
On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:
Why? On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:
Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post
On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:
Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread.
What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that?
@DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. Oh, while looking for who asked that...point 4 is just entirely wrong, Mocsta. I was saying that I expected Conversion to call HF mafia in his joke, and what caught my attention was that he didn't. This had nothing to do with my reads on either of them. On February 07 2018 00:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 23:33 Conversion wrote:To be clear, rsoultin On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. You said this and then another page+ is you just pinpointing things that don't help you push your agenda. You poked ritoky a few times, that's about it. I didn't see you getting anything from that. Also On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point. Can you explain how you don't see the taken out of context point? It was pretty clear. Wait a second lol >< This looks like you just decided I was being 'nitpicky' and defensive and then realized that I was questioning a scumread and went oops! Better correct that! Must be a pain to claim I'm doing nothing about my reads and then notice that I am. Here's a hint: read a couple posts down and you'll see I already answered your question. Guess you missed that in your skim as well? On February 07 2018 00:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 23:41 Koshi wrote:
Town for now:
Mocsta
darthfoley
Tfrel
Conversion
rayn
Most are based on tone.
I cant be hold accountable for any of these reads and will change them if it fits my agenda. Can you explain Conversion? Because I think he just made up a read on me based on what he saw holyflare saying and then had to backtrack. On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:Oh you're right I completely missed that. Man I am not on the ball this game.. Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.  Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth. On February 07 2018 00:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 00:45 Conversion wrote:On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:Oh you're right I completely missed that. Man I am not on the ball this game.. Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down. Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth. That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts. Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so. /shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere. Notice the timestamp of the vote at the top of this spoiler. This vote comes at the very last post about Conversion in her filter. It's strange after being so Conversion centric and basing everything off Conversion being mafia the entire game to only vote him after he had to "backtrack from sheeping hf" which doesn't make sense in and of itself because I haven't backtracked and haven't needed to so why would Conversion?
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