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On February 06 2018 13:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 13:18 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:36 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 12:24 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:23 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here? Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town. On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol
But.. what yoy say is interesting.
I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping"
Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment? Because calling people's opinions bullshitty doesn't make sense in my head, and is also seemingly forced to try and look active? I don't get this line of questioning. I can ask people about their motivations even if I may agree with them First of all, thank you for answering. Yes you can ask for motivations even if you don't agree. It just really doesn't seem like you cared about mderg's answer, it doesn't seem like you were actually interested at all. To me it reads like: you thought it was weird that rsoultin picked on your joke post and not the others. Someone else disliked the same thing as you. You then asked them about it, and didn't seem to draw anything from their response. While at the same time, you cared enough about rsoultin's comments to ultimately vote her for it, but not enough to say it? Like if I were in your shoes, I would have been much more interested in talking about rsoultin's comments and why they were suspicious than I would be in questioning someone who agrees with me. Did I explain that coherently enough? I can concede to your points, but if I can ask again.. where is this leading? Do you think I'm scummy because of your aforementioned points? The jist of your arguments is that you find my play style not aligned with how you would play.. but what comes from that. Does that make me scummy because I have done something that isn't within the realm of how you would play if you were town? It's not really that you did something other than what I would do. It's that the series of posts doesn't seem to show that you cared at all about your read on rsoultin. I do indeed think that it is suspicious that you had a read on rsoultin that you didn't seem to care enough about that you then decided to vote her for and then ask others to join you in. On a change of subject, Conversion, what did you get out of Mocsta's case on rsoultin? Because frankly I'm having trouble understanding it, and you seemed to find it decently convincing. What stood out to you about it?
I'm tired and I'm just going to say two things.
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
2) I guess the language is at fault with me when I said I sheeped. I should have stated that I was joining Mocsta's wagon. His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter (to which, you have questioned I believe).
On February 06 2018 13:54 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 07:00 Conversion wrote:
@HF, Post from rayn that made you vote him for now is not typical strong-headed rayn, but it is overblown mafia rayn trying too hard to look like town rayn? or are you just objectively saying this is overblown mafia post Im also interested in what this was leading?
This is because to me rayn looks normal, but HF thinks it is overblown so I wanted clarification
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I guess I said three things, not two things. Woops
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Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument..
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On February 06 2018 14:32 Trfel wrote:Mocsta, you seem so town, but..... Your reasoning for voting for rsoultin here and your case here don't really seem to be the same at all. Can you explain this? I do see what you're saying about your point #2, I don't see it as a big deal, though. To me, the importance of something can change over time, as it's relative. It makes sense to me that rsoultin saw the serial killer comment as being important relative to the other things in the thread at the time, but irrelevant compared to actual reads and following discussions. So in some ways it's both important and unimportant at once.
Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.
But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument.. If you would prefer I'm willing to give you space and see what you do with it. I'm not trying to misrepresent what you do, I'm trying to see the thought that is behind your posts to figure out your alignment; to that end if I do misinterpret them I am sorry. Right now I am having some trouble believing some of the things you have said, but I would be interested in your reads on the rest of the game if you have any.
Right, but making arguments such as "Conversion is trying to get others to vote for rsoultin," and then quoting something that isn't clearly me trying to get others to pile on to rsoultin is just that. I'm not mad or frustrated, I just don't get why it goes from good point about something -> far fetched argument, saying I'm inconsistent in saying that I wasn't trying to get others to vote rsoultin when I really wasn't.
I'm going to get some sleep anyways. I want to see what others have to say.
Ending the night with decent confidence in you and Mocsta being town isn't bad for me at all.
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rsoultin go explain your lynch pool instead of doing whatever you’re doing. I’m in it and you most likely will have people on board— why is your filter just you arguing about minute details and defending yourself?
On February 06 2018 20:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:24 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:23 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here? Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town. On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment? Because calling people's opinions bullshitty doesn't make sense in my head, and is also seemingly forced to try and look active? I don't get this line of questioning. I can ask people about their motivations even if I may agree with them Am I misunderstanding things or was your line of thought? I saw something strange about rsoultin -> mderg saw the same thing but worded it different than I would -> something's fishy
Sort of like that. I just didn’t understand how her statemen was “bullshitty” but dropped it once you said it wasn’t the right word
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Glancing over new content rsoultin is still my lynch. Going to head into work
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To be clear, rsoultin
On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him.
You said this and then another page+ is you just pinpointing things that don't help you push your agenda. You poked ritoky a few times, that's about it. I didn't see you getting anything from that.
Also
On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point.
Can you explain how you don't see the taken out of context point? It was pretty clear.
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On February 06 2018 15:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:Hi Trfel. Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol  I wonder why you dont think they are related? I still comment on passive aggression. The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read. I wrote a wall of text because A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part. Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion. This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic. Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation. P.S you are super town to me I understand better now. Thanks for clarifying. That thought process makes enough sense. That's fair. I am not super confident in rsoultin's alignment honestly, I slightly think she is town but could be wrong. I generally don't like to defend others though, would be interested to see what rsoultin says about it.
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm  .
How did you end the night without having a followup conclusion on me? Are you still suspicious of me being mafia?
This is also weird play to me. You spent a majority of your time calling me inconsistent and pointing stuff out from my filter, but you couldn't be bothered to summarize that interaction?
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Oh you're right I completely missed that.
Man I am not on the ball this game..
Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down. 
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On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:Oh you're right I completely missed that. Man I am not on the ball this game.. Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down. Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.
That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts.
Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so.
/shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post
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On February 07 2018 00:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 00:45 Conversion wrote:On February 07 2018 00:43 rsoultin wrote:On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:Oh you're right I completely missed that. Man I am not on the ball this game.. Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down. Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth. That's usually what happens when I roll out of bed in the morning and read things without double checking my facts. Sue me if that makes me mafia. Also, your though on me reading what HF said and that influencing what I'm saying is pretty horse shit, since I would have quoted him if I did so. /shrug I'll just take a step back and actually start double checking what I post Well, if you're not reading to get your reads, you have to be getting them from somewhere.
Yeah I'm getting them because I'm scum and I know my scummates and you're obviously VT.
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Tempted to read rsoultin as town since I mostly get into shit-fights with town. I still do not like her playstyle. Something feels off. Although, the only other game I played with her was CCCP and that was a shitshow for town. Will mull over that for a bit and return to the thread.
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On February 07 2018 01:25 Trfel wrote:If I must. Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? The last quote wasn't out of context. If you look at what was happening in the thread (starting here), you know that ritoky says that rsoultin is probably town, and then Mocsta asks why, and ritoky gives a reason. Then Conversion made that post. Conversion definitely should have seen ritoky's posts, as they were 6+ minutes later and he posted in between. To me, if you're asking someone for how they feel about lynching someone when they just said that they were townreading them means that you're trying to change their mind and get support for the lynch. Not just asking what they think.
This is just a very far-reaching statement. You don't know what I meant by that statement aside from that either 1) I was asking ritoky to either share his opinion of rsoultin with me, or 2) I was asking ritoky who he wanted to lynch. Either of those statements is not a direct translation to "I want you to lynch rsoultin with me," which is what you were saying I was attempting to do.
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And the point has been made within your own post. "To me..."
That's what it feels like to you. I clarified it wasn't. Not sure why you're clinging onto this point. I never tried to get other people onto the rsoultin train. If you're suspicious of me for other reasons, fine. This one is not a good one.
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I went over rsoultin's filter before Russian virus in CCCP and her filter in Newbie and her D1 is just rigid and I have a bad feeling about it. I am staying resolute in rsoultin being the best lynch today.
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EBWOP:
On February 07 2018 02:11 Conversion wrote:
I went over rsoultin's filter before Russian virus in CCCP and her filter in Newbie and her D1 just feels rigid in this game and I have a bad feeling about it. I am staying resolute in rsoultin being the best lynch today.
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On February 07 2018 02:33 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, humor me one more time? Right now, why are you scumreading rsoultin?
Not asking for past posts as much as what's compelling to you at this moment. Doesn't have to be a long answer, a short summary is fine.
Sure. I will answer any questions you have of me regardless of whether I agree or disagree, as I believe you are town and I am town and I want to solve this game with other town.
rsoultin from diving into CCCP, and with less scrutiny in Newbie, played a more loose game in the beginning, from what I could see. She was questioning left and right, similar to how she is doing so here. However, I don't feel as if her posts really progress the game, whereas I felt that when reading the past two games from her. I might be wrong, but this is what I feel.
Another point that worries me she hasn't really clawed onto a target yet. She sort of prods at ritoky, but most of her filter doesn't conclude much. She questions my posts on missing information, and I believe she concluded I am scum for it (she's voting me, iirc). Which leads me to believe that she thinks that my omitting information to fit an agenda (rsoultin is scummy) is making me scum. Which I think in and of itself is a fine conclusion to make. The problem I have with this right now (rsoultin, please correct me if I am wrong in concluding that you think I am scum for those reasons and more that you are not sharing) is that I did a very blatantly scummy thing in CCCP-- however, she seemed more questioning rather than aggressively painting me scum. She also kept her thought process rather transparent and iterated in the thread a lot, whereas I feel as if her actions are more hidden/calculated so far in this game.
Not sure if that helps, but that's my general thought process/feeling right now.
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My only fear is that I am tunneling and not focusing on the lower activity players, but I feel as if that doesn't get me anywhere if they don't response and participate, hence why I'm still at this point resolute in rsoultin being my best lynch target.
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On February 07 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 04:26 Trfel wrote:
I'm confused as to why you say that. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see that mentioned in your filter at all. Furthermore your suspicion of rsoultin seemed to be a sheep of raynpelikoneet. Why am I sheeping you then? Actually it's completely opposite to rayn. Originally. It's fine. You're sheeping me on rsoul so it's all good. We have to stick through this lynch though cos there's gonna be a lot of yelling and empty threats.
I find this really funny since you're still on Koshi, so I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or you're actually serious.
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Why is this Mocsta fella calling me SK?
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