[M][N] Vendée Globe 16' Mafia - Page 10

On February 07 2018 00:07 Koshi wrote:
I think I will also call rsoultin leaning town. And that I will vote mderg.

mderg, prplhz and the 2 afks might contain 2 mafia. Let's hope the third does better.

##vote mdreg

On February 12 2018 05:06 prplhz wrote:
i'm doc, saved mocsta then koshi

On February 12 2018 05:09 Conversion wrote:
does parody cop or whatever return different checks on blues? also who saves Koshi over rayn on that might :l

On February 12 2018 05:10 Conversion wrote:
Like does VT check and blue check return a difference?

On February 12 2018 05:11 Conversion wrote:
also if prplhz is mafia then I played a decent game. My first decent one

On February 12 2018 05:31 disformation wrote:
ah no. I think mocsta hasn't posted yet.

eh whatevs. will check tomorrow.

On February 12 2018 05:19 Holyflare wrote:
parity cop vs framer is weak af, I believe prplhz

On February 12 2018 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
Who gives a crap? If you flip unaware miller then prplhz is town doctor. If you flip vt prplhz is mafia. Nothing more to it.

On February 12 2018 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The reason why i think Holyflare is our final mafia here is the following:

I went back to read the D1 from ppl's filters, and actually properly read it. I am going to assume the following things from D1:


That's the final votecount from D1. What we know from there is this:
Mafia bussed real hard. The only people who are not confirmed town are on not confirmed mafia are our flipped mafia. So regardless of who is mafia they have bussed super hard (since disformation is town the final mafia is in the active players).

Now what i do believe is that the the reason for mderg to refuse to vote rsoultin is that the mafia thinks they win more often with rsoultin alive. I also think the mafia thinks the people on rsoultin are easier to lynch in total than the people on mderg. Anyone, just anyone could have claimed "credit" by switching from rsoultin to mderg (like Holyflare did), yet the people on rsoultin refused to do so. Honestly what i just said is just better play as scum and more likely to come from mafia than anything anyone on rsoultin did.

I mean, at this point mafia is 100% getting lynched. There is absolutely no reason to stay on rsoultin because mderg flipping mafia doesn't make rsoultin town (darthfoley and Damdred realized this). The better play is just to "hammer mafia" and then say "maybe i was wrong on rsoultin" and try to paint her as town for the following phases.

First of all, on Holyflare, is that. The vote switch is actually scummy lol (more on this below).

Secondly is this; If you go to rsoultin's filter and know something about her scum play you will notice this. She likes to put all other things aside when she's defending herself. If you read her filter almost everything is her defending herself until i tell her to prove she is town by scumhunting. What is weird about Holyflare regarding this is that rsoultin defends against everyone else's cases than Holyflares!!! Literally, big rants with Mocsta, big rants with me, stuff with Conversion, stuff with darthfoley, no stuff... literally zero stuff with Holyflare. This is what she says about Holyflare:



Then there is some soft comments about what other people did regarding Holyflare's read on her, but never confronting him about anything, ever. Here is the last game filter for Tina, you don't even need to go further that first page to see the above and how she treats Holyflare this game is completely bullshit. I honestly didn't even see those posts earlier, i just didn't care about Holyflare because he was gunning for rsoultin so i didn't care.

Now i must say, this is not a good reason to call Holyflare scum. I mean what rsoultin did is not a reason why Holyflare is scum, but the reason is that Holyflare should have noticed this and called rsoultin mafia for it, and do it fucking hard. Because when someone acts super scummy towards you then they are mafia. If Holyflare is town in this game he should have realized that for whatever reason rsoultin is scared to call him any alignment ever in this game and gunned her down for it, 100%.

Then there is Holyflare's vote swtich from rsoultin to mderg. Here are the facts:
- Holyflare has a super big scumread on rsoultin
- Holyflare has never really talked anything about mderg
- The vote switch happens when it is 100% certain that mafia is getting lynched no matter what

Here is what Holyflare has said about mderg:
mderg's only scumread at this point is rsoultin who is Holyflare's #1 scumread. Ant this is funny because:

So df should notice that HF has said stuff (and tbh i was the one that created rsoultin lynch, not holyflare), but he doesn't have to recognize mderg's #1 scumread is the same that his (which btw happened before HF even scumread rsoultin).

Then this happens:




Here's the reason Holyflare decided to vote for mderg over rsoultin:

His biggest fucking scumread he is so proud of he needs to shout other people HE is the one who created the wagon and NEVER anyone else and everyone is sheeping him, can be excused on D1 over a dude he doesn't have any clue what he even wrote???????????? This is literally bullshit, lite-fucking-rally. And for the record the words rsoultin typed after Holyflare made the "you have 4 pages of filter and nothing in there" continued to be absolutely nothing so the vote switch in itself makes no fucking sense at all.

Come day 2 and i made my case on rsoultin. Holyflare instantly agrees. Then this happens:

But he didn't manage to vote rsoultin over a dude he doesn't even remember what they wrote.

rsoultin never does this.

Mmmm now it's the other way around than it was in the first quote?

Like..... I understand the reasons Holyflare was voting for Damdred for. But i don't understand how he fucking ends up on Damdred over rsoultin here. Once again it doesn't make any fucking sense since with logic he should end up on rsoultin. Another thing to note here is that he sees many many "scummy stuff" other people do but never anything on rsoultin, never, it is always just a generic read of "i think she is scum but i vote for this other guy". And i fell like Holyflare as town would have always voted for rsoultin D1, and D2, over what he did.

Two more points, a bit minor though but still a point. from D3 this:
- Holyflare never even registers the point i made in my rsoultin case D2. The point is that as mafia, Damdred and darthfoley were pushing an anti-mafia idea from the beginning of N1. Ne never touches this with even a long stick, he never actually reconsiders he can be wrong here (when he most likely is).
- Second point, he says this after my claim:

When HF makes stupid jokes like this he is mafia. He did in the last game i played when he was mafia. I can look it up if you want to, but it always makes me feel something is wrong about this guy when he does it and while it's not really a reason to call him mafia it probably should be because it has always been correct. This is just a retarded thing to even suggest and i am quite sure he can make the obvious conclusion that "if rayn is alive at lylo then just lynch him". Notice that only mafia knows i am lying here about the check on prplhz / df, and i realize it must be fucking annoying when your possible mislynches towntell and you can do nothing about it. I think this is the result.

#vote Holyflare

On February 12 2018 21:50 Holyflare wrote:
Do I actually have to counter every incorrect point rayn made?

On February 13 2018 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just going to say i don't really care if you want to lynch Damdred first, because i believe he has almost the same chance of being scum than Holyflare. Also the fact is that whoever is mafia in this game the D1 was absolutely retarded for the mafia team so i don't buy any "this doesn't make any sense for me as mafia" from D1 because if that was a reason noone would be mafia. Except for prplhz or disformation, but that's not possible. But still always lynch prplhz if he's alive in F3 because then there is no doctor at all and it's a simple framer vs parity cop game.

I must say though, that if we go into the "this doesn't make any sense for me as mafia" then Conversion and darthfoley win the town prize.

On February 11 2018 06:26 darthfoley wrote:
First bus makes some sense. But second bus is where mafia is usually desperate. Which is why I look at Koshi. He was pushing a very false narrative on me today and trying to sow doubt in the minds of many who were TRing me. Idk it looked bad imo

On February 12 2018 04:17 darthfoley wrote:


Yep. Mderg was pretty useless and framers are rarely helpful so I don't think it's as much of a stretch as you make it out to be

On February 13 2018 04:13 disformation wrote:
so. both conv and darthfoley were onto both mderg and rsoultin and waffled between the two of them, but stayed on rs in the end?
and just sheeped rayn's case d2?

did I finally get it?