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Kmatt

United States1019 Posts

January 27 2018 16:12 GMT

#61

##vote Holyflare

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

January 27 2018 17:59 GMT

#62

Day Four Vote Count

Holyflare (5) Rels, justanothertownie, beentheredonethat, mderg, Kmatt
Kmatt (1): Mocsta

Not Voting (1): Holyflare

Holyflare is currently set to be lynched.

The deadline is Sunday, Jan 28 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

beentheredonethat

2934 Posts

January 27 2018 21:23 GMT

#63

##unvote

##vote justanothertownie

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 27 2018 22:36 GMT

#64

##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

beentheredonethat

2934 Posts

January 28 2018 11:21 GMT

#65

##unvote
##vote Holyflare

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

January 28 2018 15:57 GMT

#66

Day Four Vote Count

Holyflare (6) Rels, justanothertownie, ~~beentheredonethat~~, mderg, Kmatt, Mocsta, beentheredonethat
Kmatt (0): ~~Mocsta~~
justanothertownie (0): ~~beentheredonethat~~

Not Voting (1): Holyflare

Holyflare is currently set to be lynched.

The deadline is Sunday, Jan 28 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 28 2018 17:22 GMT

#67

##vote kmatt

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 28 2018 20:32 GMT

#68

On January 29 2018 00:57 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Four Vote Count

Holyflare (6) Rels, justanothertownie, ~~beentheredonethat~~, mderg, Kmatt, Holyflare, beentheredonethat
Kmatt (0): ~~Mocsta~~
justanothertownie (0): ~~beentheredonethat~~

Not Voting (1): Holyflare

Holyflare is currently set to be lynched.

The deadline is Sunday, Jan 28 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

Not voting for myself.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

January 28 2018 22:52 GMT

#69

ty

Day Four Vote Count

Holyflare (6) Rels, justanothertownie, ~~beentheredonethat~~, mderg, Kmatt, Mocsta, beentheredonethat
Kmatt (1): ~~Mocsta~~, Holyflare
justanothertownie (0): ~~beentheredonethat~~

Holyflare is currently set to be lynched.

The deadline is Sunday, Jan 28 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 30 2018 00:05 GMT

#70

##Vote: Koshi

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 30 2018 03:05 GMT

#71

Editted by adding spoiler; as did not want to confuse vote thread.

Reposted in game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26900859

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TL;DR: Eliminating Kmatt wins us the game.
Look specifically at Day2 where Kmatt was in the driving seat to lynch Damerion or Prplhz.

VCA
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50%oD1

On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, ~~Rels~~, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Holyflare (0): ~~mderg~~, ~~Mocsta~~, ~~rsoultin~~
prplhz (0): ~~Mocsta~~

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz

With all town wagons; mafia could be anywhere.

EoD1

On January 20 2018 09:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, ~~Rels~~, Mocsta, ~~Rels~~
beentheredonethat (4): ~~rsoultin~~, ~~KelsierSC~~, mderg, ~~Rels~~, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): ~~mderg~~, ~~Mocsta~~, ~~rsoultin~~
prplhz (0): ~~Mocsta~~

Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat

DF is never truly under pressure.

Majority of Damdred/BTDT wagon is committed.
Both kmatt and BTDT have to vote DF for a lynch
- BTDT is unknown. He literally has 1 post saying Mocsta is weird, and 1 post saying "bullshit" in french to DF.
- Kmatt is against the Damdred wagon, but has indicated he will vote BTDT.

Again, DF (and scum team) is under no legitimate pressure.

50%oD2

On January 22 2018 23:25 + 20minutes Conversion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

prplhz(4): rsoultin, Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt
Damerion(1): Rels

Not Voting (6): TheTwatyEvildoer, Damerion, prplhz, Holyflare, mderg

EoD2

On January 23 2018 08:50 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

prplhz (4): ~~rsoultin~~, Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt, Holyflare
Damerion (3): Rels, rsoultin, mderg

Not Voting (3): TheTwatyEvildoer, Damerion, prplhz

Damerion withhold and prplhz withhold cancel out each other.
TWAT/Damerion have not posted in ~72hrs.
Rels sheeped RSoultin and has some very light comments anti-damerion. Could be legit, could be distancing; its not like BTDT was a bad wagon for scum to join
mderg also sheeps RSoultin; but does have a filter that points to being cautious of Damerion.
Mocsta/HF vote prplhz for the DF vote reluctance
BTDT reasoning unclear
kmatt is interesting.

Note this interaction:

On January 22 2018 21:53 Rels wrote:
well Damerion / prp are probably both scum

On January 22 2018 23:42 Kmatt wrote:
I can get behind that. Making sure to vote nice and early today.

#vote prplhz

Specifically, he appears to agree both damerion and prplhz are scum; yet votes prplhz instead of Damerion.

Please also bear in mind that Damerion is not mentioned by Kmatt until the cop claim.
Please also bear in mind that Kmatt is against the Damdred push; but never states an opinion on the case origins (i.e. Damerion) or those on the train.

~~EoD3 - AutoLynch~~
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On January 26 2018 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Three Vote Count

Damerion (7): ~~Mocsta~~, Rels, justanothertownie, Mocsta, Holyflare, beentheredonethat, mderg, Kmatt
Kmatt (1): Damerion

Analysis not worthwhile.

~~EoD4 - Predetermined Lynch~~
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On January 29 2018 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Four Vote Count

Holyflare (6) Rels, justanothertownie, ~~beentheredonethat~~, mderg, Kmatt, Mocsta, beentheredonethat
Kmatt (1): ~~Mocsta~~, Holyflare
justanothertownie (0): ~~beentheredonethat~~

Analysis not worthwhile.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 30 2018 10:53 GMT

#72

##vote Mocsta

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 30 2018 10:53 GMT

#73

##unvote Mocsta
##Vote Rels

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

January 30 2018 19:43 GMT

#74

Day Five Vote Count

Koshi (1): Mocsta
Rels (1): Koshi
Mocsta (0): ~~Koshi~~

Not Voting (3): justanothertownie, mderg, Rels

Koshi is currently set to be lynched.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jan 31 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 30 2018 22:30 GMT

#75

##Vote Koshi

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 30 2018 23:21 GMT

#76

##Unvote:Koshi

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 31 2018 07:13 GMT

#77

Did it again.. sorry. dont want to muck up vote thread.

re posted: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26901815
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I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating.

Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons.
He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT.
So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels.
- Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited.

Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option.
DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong.
Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior.

Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred.
The anotehr last minute swap.

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On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.

On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, ~~Rels~~, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz

On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours

On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:

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On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.

I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.

And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.

this is a pretty sexy post

On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please.

On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:
Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK".
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On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:

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BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes.

The progression in this post is scummy to me
1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit.
2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read)
3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?)

It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF.

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This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta.

I'm not understanding his thought progression at all

- it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game.
- two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ?

On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?

In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be.

On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction

leading to eventually:

On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 31 2018 09:33 GMT

#78

##Vote: Rels

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 12:54 GMT

#79