On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.
The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie.
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On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote: You are massively missing Kmatt's posts. The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie. | ||
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On January 25 2018 23:48 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2018 23:27 Mocsta wrote: Hf comment is understood now Anything to do with damerion today is wifom Eslecially because thread absence does not ewuate to qt absence I think caution should br applied in particular when he also was fishing for a counter claim Definitely not pro town mkve. Even more so with coaching factor Sure, not pro town at all. But also quite ballsy as mafia. Risky play for a low chance of success given the state of the game my point exactly. | ||
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On January 26 2018 00:40 mderg wrote: I can definitely see Hf's points nothing that makes Kmatt particulary scum. Especially compared to Damerion's Damdred read + claim or HF's badness + cop softness during the night. | ||
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On January 25 2018 07:40 Rels wrote: OK so I reread N2 to check that thing about HF softing he knew Damerion was blue. And it makes no sense if HF is town. It starts with the first big post Damerion made after coming back, in which he had this part: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote: It was simple I am supremely confident in my ability to read the game and make decisions. And I believe highly even at this moment I will find scum and will not be lynched, in fact after the night is over I believe you will be unable to lynch me. To which HF immediately reacted: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 02:19 Holyflare wrote: Lol I really like where this is going. I'm confirmed not mafia after tonight So. HF saw the hint that Damerion is blue, and immediately post it in the thread. Why ? What's the point of doing it if HF is town ? It gains town nothing. It's actually detrimental to the town, because if scum manage to understand it, they can use this information and kill or roleblock Damerion. Then it happens again. In another post later on, Damerion softs on his "green check" on Mocsta: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote: In either case tomorrow I am sure I will find scum and be a hero again. Right now for instance I am sure Mocsta is town, there is no doubt in my mind. Holyflare and yourself are also high but not as high as him. And HF reacts with these two posts, showing again he thinks Damerion is blue, and more precisely, cop with a green check on mocsta: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 08:03 Holyflare wrote: No, for real. Now that he's said it I can see it. Once again, why ? The reasonning is the same as above. It's even obvious in retrospective, anyone searching for blue in the thread will pick it up - IE scums. So. It makes no sense for a town perspective to act like that. It makes total sense from a scum perspective though. The benefits are twofold: - it makes HF appear smart and thinking about the game. The ironic thing about it is that it's totally about the appearance. It only serves to appear townie; but when you take the time to think about the town motivation behind it, there is none, and it's actually detrimental to the town. Total scum pointer there. - if Damerion is his partner, this is a play prepared by both of them. It prepares the claim that will happen after the night is over: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 09:07 Holyflare wrote: If Damerion isn't claiming cop with a green check on mocsta then all is wrong with the world. And it attempts to gain towncred for HF: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote: Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot. Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 09:18 Damerion wrote: And I disagree I think holyflare is more likely town in thia scenerio. Now here comes the meta part of this post. I think the above is sufficient to make anyone scum and making me want to lynch them. What's even scummier is that Holyflare is a player that always tries to play mindgames with the scum in order to make them waste kills or actions on Vanilla Townie. For example, he often says weird thing during the night, or says some player is an obvious blue, to confuse the scum team. But he has not done that this game. In contrario, he softed exactly who he thought was the cop 3 times in the thread. This is 100% against the way he plays. Now this is a meta read, so you will have to read some town games of his to verify it if you never played with him. But I think at least JAT can attest to it. TLDR: I think HF is scum, and I think Damerion & HF make perfect sense as a team. HF softing he thinks Damerion is blue during the night is (1) totally against a townie's interest and (2) totally against HF own meta. Furthermore, them being together actually explains these posts: it would mean they were preparing the fakeclaim as soon as Damerion re-entered the thread during N2. | ||
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Actually I want every one not familar with HF type the following: I understand that Holyflare is one of the best player on this website. I understand that his play cannot be compared directly to someone like Kmatt, as way more is expected from town!Holyflare. I will lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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I understand that Holyflare is one of the best player on this website. I understand that his play cannot be compared directly to someone like Kmatt, as way more is expected from town!Holyflare. I understand that he was red checked as scum once and he managed to get the cop lynched, then survive another lynch to win. I will lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote: Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon. What do you mean ? HF started the day believing Damerion's claim. Then nothing happened apart from me and JAT voting Damerion, and then after the votes started to pile up he decided to vote him. It's definitely not a quick bus. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:15 Holyflare wrote: There's a big disconnect between hf being the best mafia player on the site and mafia holyflare doing something blatantly anti town like calling out a cop claim. Does not compute. and here comes the "too scummy to be scum" defense. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:13 Kmatt wrote: Could you link me the game where town ignores cop's check? That takes a special kind of stupid. I'm not above voting him though, he's been on my list anyway. In fact I don't think he's ever not someone I want to lynch. I'm pretty sure it was this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas Didn't check, but the players list match what I remember | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote: No one is 100% scum till flipped bro Damerion was 99% yeah ofc, it's a matter of speech. But I'm convinced HF is the last scum. | ||
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On January 26 2018 09:53 Mocsta wrote: Rels Whats less from a townie perspective Discussing blue claim during night with no blue nk Or fishing for roles during after cc? The first one. It's not even a debate. Have you never played as scum before ? Don't you know how HARD it is to go against something if every other player have decided something else ? | ||
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On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + not a good ideaOn January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote: My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread. Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy. Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy I this is annoying. I CREATED A COPYPASTA ABOVE WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO FIGHT THIS: "I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy." NO. HF as scum has zero, 0, ZERO problem faking this. And it's 100% wrong he cared since D1, rsoul and I actually thought the only townie thing about him during N2 was that he was NOT caring enough ... You CANNOT compare Kmatt and HF's play directly. It doesn't not work. | ||
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"mm yeah he seems a little more active than the other dude, guess I'll lynch that other dude" IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY | ||
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On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote: Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind | ||
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On January 26 2018 18:22 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + pls tell me this is another game?On January 26 2018 17:57 Rels wrote: YOU RE TALKING ABOUT A DUDE THAT LIVED TWO LYNCHES WITH A RED CHECK. "mm yeah he seems a little more active than the other dude, guess I'll lynch that other dude" IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY yeah, it's the Himalaya's game I linked last page, in which HF was scum and red checked, and still managed to get the cop + another town lynch for the win. | ||
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On January 26 2018 18:31 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + hmmm i can see that working actuallyOn January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote: On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote: Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking. If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you: - Damerion hints that he's cop during the night - HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night - Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF - HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense - When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind Heck once the cop claim came i took my vote off Its australia day and im drunk. Will reevaluaye kmatt and holyflare if i make it to tomorrow What's Australian day ? | ||
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