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On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1.
Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble.
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On January 31 2018 08:48 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1. Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble.
Started the "twat might be scum" movement that went through the thread in night2. Reasoning behind that didn't look that great, backed off after a short time.
Damerion lynch was almost a foregone conclusion, starts holy crusade against Hf.
Would be sensible scum play, if we add some narrative.
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On January 31 2018 09:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 08:48 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1. Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble. Started the "twat might be scum" movement that went through the thread in night2. Reasoning behind that didn't look that great, backed off after a short time. Damerion lynch was almost a foregone conclusion, starts holy crusade against Hf. Would be sensible scum play, if we add some narrative.
night3 and day4 are mostly spent on trying to get Hf lynched, some defending of kmatt (mostly to get the Hf lynch, though)
Overall not as much town as I thought in his filter.
Gonna read Mocsta tomorrow
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On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense.
The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side 
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On January 31 2018 19:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 19:29 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense. The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side the moment I start being lynchable you leave my side bro
I was never by your side, though. I simply had a townread on you, you seemed to notice my hidden genius.
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Taking a look at Mocsta now
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On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now
Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though.
Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.
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On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.
Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on.
Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy.
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On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going. Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on. Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy.
Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat.
"Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning.
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On January 31 2018 21:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going. Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on. Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy. Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat. "Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning.
Day4 was kind of dead, Mocsta wanted kmatt over hf lynch. Not sure why he voted hf, though.
Overall a decent amount of prodding, some good posts and thoughts, often missing direction, difficult to follow his thought process.
The things he said were townie, the things he did a bit less so.
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On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason.
How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads.
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On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true.
So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me.
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On January 31 2018 22:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? I could consolidate on a btdt lynch Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus. Blahhhh I cant lynch somebody like this. Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me. On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game. Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/ Koshi.. I think you need to vote JAT as per your math rules :/ im stuck, tired, and kid is having trouble sleeping. going to unvote i will be back at least 1hr before deadline my gut is still saying koshi is the right lynch my head is saying.. rels and mderg only started looking into eachotehr once koshi mentioned pocketing... but i still find rels day1 DF interactions very peculiar. i have to sleep on this. ##Unvote
Koshi certainly did a good job getting attention away from himself. I would have reread Rels and you regardless of Koshi mentioning pocketing, though.
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On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at the votes:
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I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.
So this is where I'm at:
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That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable.
No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely.
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On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:
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It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me?
I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point.
I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point.
Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well?
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On January 31 2018 23:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
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I don't really want to respond to this but here you go:
Day1
Town
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious
Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum
Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
prplhz: no content
df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled
scum
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Day2
Town
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
rsoultin: obvious town
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case
scum
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Before cop claim
Town
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
Damerion: nothing changed to before
scum
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After cop claim
Town
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
Damerion: no way believing his cop claim
scum
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:
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I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well? yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him. You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect.
You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. The whole conversation was about me just going with the town consensus. Then you start using what I've said as if I was using that as some jusification for not having fought much about my preferred day2 lynch.
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I'll just jump in here at an opportune moment to vote Rels. I don't have anything to add at the moment but I'll be here until deadline.
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interesting turn of events
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I really don't know who I would vote right now
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I'm kind of curious why I'm apparently the one deciding the lynch now
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