Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 11

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 30 2018 14:13 GMT

#1734

On January 30 2018 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Yup. No modkill no replace is the way to go.
Always said this. For years now.

I disagree, but replacing after night 2 is really questionable in a mini. But here we are now. No point in discussing it now.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 07:17 GMT

#1775

On January 31 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:

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Koshi replaced in, what, a couple hours before deadline?
There is no way any replacement could meaningfully read the thread and draw conclusions.
The QT should be much more manageable.

So, when I woke up to see a replacement that is insta-calling me scum, and not in an OMGUS-way: My scum read on Kmatt/Koshi was amplified further.

In my mind I was testing whether Koshi was making kill selection on thread or QT strategy.
If BTDT was legitimately RB (which clearly now is the case) for being perceived as medic; I see him as a real threat to scum as another delay to LYLO should be default town win.

If BTDT was faking the RB, I would expect scum (inc. Koshi) to clasp onto the JAT notice and shoot him.
I mean, JAT being blue was so obvious from how he destroyed Damerion *AND* refused to discuss claims with BTDT.
I didnt see it as a risk to output this as a competent scum would be shooting him anyways.

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I have thought about it more and not sure its as telling as I had hoped.
BTDT could have been shot purely for being "confirmed town" and/or unpredictable.
BTDT could have been shot to focus on this type of discussion.

Right now, I need to evaluate what Koshi has contributed this cycle - vs. the kill selection.

Weird train of thought. Not really in a scummy way but how was Koshi supposed to be mafia if btdt fakeclaimed rb? Also I do not really follow entirely. Why did you post I was blue again? Did you actually think a mafia who reads the thread would be influenced by that?

The only reason btdt is a somewhat valid nightkill is because he was almost unlynchable due to the rb. Otherwise it was an utterly terrible kill. In my mind the only thing that speaks for an uninformed mafia (e. g. Koshi) is that I have trouble seeing aplayer who knows what's up thinking that btdt saved me considering how we clashed this game.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 07:19 GMT

#1776

It's so sad that Koshi learned to mafia at some point. A few years ago this would be town!Koshi 100 % of the time.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 07:25 GMT

#1777

On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating.

Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons.
He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT.
So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels.
- Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited.

Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option.
DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong.
Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior.

Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred.
The anotehr last minute swap.

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On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.

I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.

And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.

this is a pretty sexy post

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On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:
Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK".
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On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:

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BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes.

The progression in this post is scummy to me
1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit.
2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read)
3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?)

It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF.

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This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta.

I'm not understanding his thought progression at all

- it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game.
- two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ?

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leading to eventually:

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Yes, initially (when I was just glancing over the game at times and wasn't playing yet) I thought the investment of Rels in the lynch was kinda towni. Knowing alignments I take issue with how he essentially jumped between the town lynches ignoring the mafia wagon.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 08:47 GMT

#1783

On January 31 2018 17:35 Koshi wrote:
If I was mafia I would kill btdt because he wanted to kill me. The rb thing is a bonus.

Who cares. He isn't going to convince anybody.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 09:05 GMT

#1785

On January 31 2018 18:03 Mocsta wrote:
heres a q:

why would scum!rels argue with HFrelentlessly?

I dont see the purpose? wasnt it enough that he had majority vote?

Counter q: Why not?

Also it helps him because by tunneling so hard he can justify not giving any real analysis on the other players (which is what he did).

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 11:29 GMT

#1826

On January 31 2018 18:09 Rels wrote:

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On January 31 2018 16:25 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.

On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, ~~Rels~~, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz

On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours

On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:

this is a pretty sexy post

On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please.

On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:
Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK".
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On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:

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On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?

In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be.

On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction

leading to eventually:

On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT

I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT.

Possible. Or you as mafia just begged people to switch from 1 town to another or even from mafia to town (in case of rsoultin) to ensure a town lynch with a town counterwagon.

On January 31 2018 18:37 Koshi wrote:
Mderg has the "I dont know what to make of this game yet " attitude early. Which is a bit more mafia than town.

Don't get it at all.

On January 31 2018 18:47 Koshi wrote:

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Maybe mderg is too right?

This I do get. I posted something along the lines of "mderg could be hipster mafia" when I had just joined the game.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 11:29 GMT

#1827

On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:

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Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus.

Blahhhh

I cant lynch somebody like this.
Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me.

On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game.

Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 22:45 GMT

#1864

I am here and just a little drunk.... will vote someone eventually...

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 23:51 GMT

#1870

Hmmm... seems like my vote doesn't really matter right now.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 23:56 GMT

#1877

You bastard. Now my vote decides...

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 23:57 GMT

#1878

And I am completely uninformed...

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 23:58 GMT

#1882

Just vote for who you think is mafia you moron.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

January 31 2018 23:59 GMT

#1886

On February 01 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
Switching to mocsta. He just slipped. Kill him tomorrow

Sorry if you are town bro.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

February 01 2018 00:04 GMT

#1891

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

February 01 2018 00:05 GMT

#1893

Probably Koshi after all with that lurk.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

February 01 2018 00:05 GMT

#1894

Whatever, who cares. You 3 can find this out tomorrow.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

February 01 2018 00:27 GMT

#1904

On February 01 2018 09:18 Koshi wrote:
I think town loses though. 50/50 I am right. And then mocsta thinks I am mafia so...

JAT do something good during night. Think we will need it.

On February 01 2018 09:22 Koshi wrote:
Must say. If JAT doesnt die I vote him.
Never seen him flail an entire day.
But I assume he is confirmed.
Weird shizzle.

1 of mderg and mocsta. Blahhh

Fuck off...

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

February 01 2018 16:54 GMT

#1914

On February 01 2018 23:21 Koshi wrote:
You let JAT lynch your 100% townread?
And only after Rels called your move a slip you voted him again.

???

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

February 01 2018 18:19 GMT

#1916

On February 02 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote:
Unless I am super wrong.
he had me/rels 60/40 and voted mderg to give you a chance to be deciding vote.

am I wrong?

Ah, misunderstood the post.

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