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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
February 04 2018 11:47 GMT
#2141
On February 04 2018 20:31 rsoultin wrote:
-pokes Mocsta- I want to see your townplay though :/
No idea what it is. I havent played since end of 2013.

I would have been classed as paranoid and overly convoluted back then. I hope that has evolved somewhat now.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 11:52 GMT
#2142
On February 04 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 20:31 rsoultin wrote:
-pokes Mocsta- I want to see your townplay though :/
No idea what it is. I havent played since end of 2013.

I would have been classed as paranoid and overly convoluted back then. I hope that has evolved somewhat now.


Maybe we'll get to see it in Globe 16 or whatever...

Also, thanks JAT! You broke my years' long mafia losing streak @.@
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 04 2018 12:12 GMT
#2143
On February 04 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 20:31 rsoultin wrote:
-pokes Mocsta- I want to see your townplay though :/
No idea what it is. I havent played since end of 2013.

I would have been classed as paranoid and overly convoluted back then. I hope that has evolved somewhat now.

There were definitely some great games in this period.
On February 04 2018 20:52 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
On February 04 2018 20:31 rsoultin wrote:
-pokes Mocsta- I want to see your townplay though :/
No idea what it is. I havent played since end of 2013.

I would have been classed as paranoid and overly convoluted back then. I hope that has evolved somewhat now.


Maybe we'll get to see it in Globe 16 or whatever...

Also, thanks JAT! You broke my years' long mafia losing streak @.@

You are welcome :D
It's a rare thing to be alive in LYLO as town.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 16:47 GMT
#2144
jat is there a game where you have lynched an un-cc'd blue claim as vanilla town?

I still stand behind what i said in obs qt, i don't think not ccing was smart because while you gained a mislynch what ended up happening was this:
I am still not certain why counter claiming Damerion was so bad it couldn't been done.
- With cc: People just lynch Damerion and actually talk about serious reads on D3, jat dies N3 and there they move on.
- Without cc (what happened): People argued all D3 if to lynch Damerion or not and D4 was nothing but people calling other people toxic (i dont even know why) and autoing on Holyflare (mostly because of HF's D3 -- which was already a dumb conclusion). Ironically HF was the only player who srsly tried to play mafia on D4 but "i am not answering you because yo, you're scum"

So they actually wasted one day phase of discussion.


Also it was not that Mocsta's decisions for night kills were bad (aside from the obvious mistake of kiiling mderg over jat last night), it is more that noone else would never ever had killed btdt over jat in the first place (you could kill jat regardless of if jat was a veteran or btdt the doctor). Rels was never going to be mafia because Rels would never leave both Koshi and (confirmed town) jat run around in the thread for one more phase. mderg knew btdt had to be town for the roleblock so if he was mafia most likely Kelsier's shot would have never gone through. Same with Holyflare. Koshi technically could have been mafia but he looked very townie from the beginning (sadly this replacement particularly prolly cost mafia the game).

It is not that you made bad decisions, but the fact is noone else as mafia would have made those decisions and aside from all you wrote or did this should have been a reason to always lynch you. Game was basically done when Damerion got lynched and btdt claimed roleblocked. Noone else could anymore be mafia than you (or Kmatt).
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 04 2018 16:58 GMT
#2145
On February 05 2018 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jat is there a game where you have lynched an un-cc'd blue claim as vanilla town?

I still stand behind what i said in obs qt, i don't think not ccing was smart because while you gained a mislynch what ended up happening was this:
Show nested quote +
I am still not certain why counter claiming Damerion was so bad it couldn't been done.
- With cc: People just lynch Damerion and actually talk about serious reads on D3, jat dies N3 and there they move on.
- Without cc (what happened): People argued all D3 if to lynch Damerion or not and D4 was nothing but people calling other people toxic (i dont even know why) and autoing on Holyflare (mostly because of HF's D3 -- which was already a dumb conclusion). Ironically HF was the only player who srsly tried to play mafia on D4 but "i am not answering you because yo, you're scum"

So they actually wasted one day phase of discussion.


Also it was not that Mocsta's decisions for night kills were bad (aside from the obvious mistake of kiiling mderg over jat last night), it is more that noone else would never ever had killed btdt over jat in the first place (you could kill jat regardless of if jat was a veteran or btdt the doctor). Rels was never going to be mafia because Rels would never leave both Koshi and (confirmed town) jat run around in the thread for one more phase. mderg knew btdt had to be town for the roleblock so if he was mafia most likely Kelsier's shot would have never gone through. Same with Holyflare. Koshi technically could have been mafia but he looked very townie from the beginning (sadly this replacement particularly prolly cost mafia the game).

It is not that you made bad decisions, but the fact is noone else as mafia would have made those decisions and aside from all you wrote or did this should have been a reason to always lynch you. Game was basically done when Damerion got lynched and btdt claimed roleblocked. Noone else could anymore be mafia than you (or Kmatt).

Yes, I lynched un-cced fakeclaims before. Superbia comes to mind.
And tbh I think you are 100 % wrong. Damerions lynch wasn't ever really debated and even if it was people just would have afked otherwise instead of discussing other stuff. And what happened day4 has absolutely nothing to do with me ccing or not at all. If I had cced then we wouldn't have had enough mislynches and mafia would have won this game.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 17:18:07
February 04 2018 17:04 GMT
#2146
Do you remember the situation with Superbia?

Actually yes, you are right. I completely overlooked the fact that you would most likely still lynch Holyflare. But nothing really happened on D3 except for talk about Damerion. But yes, you are probably right on that too, that people would have just afk'd for the rest of the day if there was a cc. Ironically this game it worked really well though because mafia was no other than Mocsta. I found the "vigilante is an investigative role" pretty hilarious and basically you had to be either blue or mafia.

E: What i meant by working really well was that the best play after Damerion lynch was always to shoot you and then shoot you again regardless of if you claimed or not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 17:05 GMT
#2147
Like i said in obs, noone would ever make the "vigi is an inv role so kita wouldnt put a cop and vigi in the game" argument had Kelsier shot a townie because you can probably see how stupid that sounds in that context.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 04 2018 17:22 GMT
#2148
On February 05 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i said in obs, noone would ever make the "vigi is an inv role so kita wouldnt put a cop and vigi in the game" argument had Kelsier shot a townie because you can probably see how stupid that sounds in that context.

I don't think it sounds stupid at all tbh. You can debate over the wording of investigative but fact is that mafia can lose the game during night 1 with this setup. It is not balanced.
Maybe I wouldn't have pushed this narrative as strong if I hadn't been blue myself but the loguc still holds. There is a reason why a logic based player like rels latched onto this like a madman.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 17:25:26
February 04 2018 17:24 GMT
#2149
I understand the logic i just don't agree with it.
you just had a 14-player mini with a vigi and a tracker.

Also mafia can lose the game on D1 aswell. Would have happened if people believed Damdred.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 17:28 GMT
#2150
I mean like.... to me it looked like you had to know Damerion's alignment for sure based on the way you argued about his lynch.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-05 08:23:37
February 04 2018 17:40 GMT
#2151
On February 05 2018 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I understand the logic i just don't agree with it.
you just had a 14-player mini with a vigi and a tracker.

Also mafia can lose the game on D1 aswell. Would have happened if people believed Damdred.

But why would anyone believe damdred? It's not like he presented ironclad cases. He barely gave any reasoning at all. There was 0 reason to follow his reads.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 19:09:26
February 04 2018 17:42 GMT
#2152
On February 05 2018 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like.... to me it looked like you had to know Damerion's alignment for sure based on the way you argued about his lynch.

Sure, I didn't really put a lot of effort into concealing by blueness.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 04 2018 17:42 GMT
#2153
Biggest mystery all game is how on earth did Rels got lynched.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 17:45 GMT
#2154
On February 05 2018 02:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2018 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I understand the logic i just don't agree with it.
you just had a 14-player mini with a vigi and a tracker.

Also mafia can lose the game on D1 aswell. Would have happened if people believed Damdred.

But why would anyone belueve damdred? It's not like he presented ironclad cases. He barely gave any reasoning at all. There was 0 reason to follow his reads.

That's true. He didn't. I am just saying it can happen. Like in a same way that can happen, you avoid inv / killing roles by playing well as mafia. Just because there is a cop and vigi in the game it doesn't make it imbalanced.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 17:47 GMT
#2155
On February 05 2018 02:42 Skynx wrote:
Biggest mystery all game is how on earth did Rels got lynched.

I didn't understand Holyflare lynch either, nor the Damdred one. Well i understand the lynches jsut as well as the Rels one i just wouldn't have done any of those.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 04 2018 17:50 GMT
#2156
On February 05 2018 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2018 02:42 Skynx wrote:
Biggest mystery all game is how on earth did Rels got lynched.

I didn't understand Holyflare lynch either, nor the Damdred one. Well i understand the lynches jsut as well as the Rels one i just wouldn't have done any of those.

Let's just say that this is always easy to say as someone who didn't play the game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 18:01:13
February 04 2018 17:58 GMT
#2157
But I will say that I think the HF mislynch was poor play by myself since deep inside I knew he was town in the end and I would have tried to lynch someone else if we didn't have so many mislynches left. It was basically a fear lynch.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 17:59 GMT
#2158
I agree. I also was completely wrong on everything other than Mocsta (and kinda DF) but i didn't read D1 and D2 that properly. Like i thought Kelsier was scum because his first reads post looked like something mafia would write and after this flip i read his filter and was like "wtf i am so bad".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 04 2018 18:00 GMT
#2159
I will say though that i would have never lynched any of those three even if i was in the game with the same posts that are in the game rn. Obviously it could be different if i had to argue with them. But i can honestly say i would never have considered voting Damdred.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
February 04 2018 18:09 GMT
#2160
I have really no idea what I would have done day1.
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