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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2018 08:52 GMT
#2121
HF.

Indulge me.
Regardless of whether you would final 3 with koshi and JAT.. thats the situation.

How would you go about the cycle as mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2018 08:57 GMT
#2122
On February 04 2018 17:52 Mocsta wrote:
HF.

Indulge me.
Regardless of whether you would final 3 with koshi and JAT.. thats the situation.

How would you go about the cycle as mafia.


Well I wouldn't have left either of them alive in lylo but I'd probably make new cases left right and centre while pushing that Koshi hasn't really said anything other than trying to appear town. Similar to what you did but bigger walls of text I think. Then I'd go about town casing myself eventually. Probably still wouldn't work though as you saw the cycle I died.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2018 09:08 GMT
#2123
Indeed. Its interesting because both town and mafia need to be able to persuade a tunneled townie against their convictions.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2018 09:09 GMT
#2124
Why didnyou vote me ?

You were suspicious all game
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 09:41 GMT
#2125
Yeah honestly I don't know. I think your last three would be tough to beat in almost any combo, but the one you picked was probably the least likely to work.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2018 09:44 GMT
#2126
On February 04 2018 18:41 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah honestly I don't know. I think your last three would be tough to beat in almost any combo, but the one you picked was probably the least likely to work.
As per monologues lol, I was mostly concerned that mderg wouldnt be present for the 48hrs and then land an unpredictable last minute vote.

So true lesson is, I should have fought harder to avoid the Rels mislynch.
I needed Rels in the final 3.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 09:51 GMT
#2127
You did extremely well with a crippled scum team against a stacked town, mocsta...JAT and koshi replacing into two afk slots boned you hard.

Any scum team that manages to mislynch all three of Damdred, Rels and HF is pretty baller; I think you'd have been fine without the replacements. (Also not sure if I ever would have caught you after lynching Damerion. Maybe after mislynching HF lol...hard to say when I didn't in obs but would have put more work in if still in the game. Maybe you should have taken me to lylo!)

And yes @kita. I do think setting the newbie standard to no replacements after the start of D3 would be justified. Also, thanks for the hosting, man
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 09:54 GMT
#2128
On February 04 2018 18:44 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 18:41 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah honestly I don't know. I think your last three would be tough to beat in almost any combo, but the one you picked was probably the least likely to work.
As per monologues lol, I was mostly concerned that mderg wouldnt be present for the 48hrs and then land an unpredictable last minute vote.

So true lesson is, I should have fought harder to avoid the Rels mislynch.
I needed Rels in the final 3.


Probably, yeah. I think you were cataloguing how much people could be influenced? You had toughies left Not that Rels can't be stubborn, too.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 09:55 GMT
#2129
Generally if taking confirmed town to lylo can be avoided, I would :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2018 10:30 GMT
#2130
I still think biggest shame of this game is that the replacements were for new players.
Even more unfortunate is that it appears some left as they were not getting any enjoyment.

I do not know what the solution is; nor, what it could entail.

Is this the majority of what is left with TL-Mafia?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 04 2018 10:34 GMT
#2131
Kids these days...
I had a good night of sleep.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 10:35 GMT
#2132
On February 04 2018 19:30 Mocsta wrote:
I still think biggest shame of this game is that the replacements were for new players.
Even more unfortunate is that it appears some left as they were not getting any enjoyment.

I do not know what the solution is; nor, what it could entail.

Is this the majority of what is left with TL-Mafia?


Honestly don't know. Been out for a year. This game didn't seem like it should be scaring newbies away in terms of atmosphere, though. The most acerbic parts of the game were after the replacements happened. I know for some it's just more involved, a greater time sink, than anticipated.

I also think people age out and there aren't as many younger ones coming in :/ But that may be the nature of the site itself.

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 10:36 GMT
#2133
On February 04 2018 19:34 Koshi wrote:
Kids these days...


-pokes- It's a wild koshi!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2018 10:40 GMT
#2134
personally I prefer not playing with (spammy) kids.
not because they arent capable of playing well, but because there is no fundamental understanding of the constraints a working person has to deal with.

Maybe I should get my mafia fix by reading old games instead! Less time-intensive at the very least.


justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
February 04 2018 10:49 GMT
#2135
On February 04 2018 13:45 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 12:20 Mocsta wrote:
Pinpoint on day1 is meaningless. No flips.

Its more important to convince others of your reads, than to have correct reads

You know this rayn..
##vote: rayn


Convincing others of your reads when they're shit doesn't do anything but lose. Correct reads are always more important unless your primary goal is to just be an alpha.

Damdred called us out D1 and never really backed off of it, even in the obs QT iirc.

Not convincing people of good reads and get mislynched doesn't do anything but lose either.

There are 3 important things for a good town performance:

- establish innocence
- find mafia
- convince other townies that you found mafia

If you get mislynched day1 you failed 2/3 and you can have the best reads in the world it doesn't get your team any closer to winning. It's not like damdred left behind any comprehensive and awesome cases. He just posted a list of 3 people. And he postedvothers of this kind too. At some point you will be correct just statistically but it isn't good townplay.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 11:31 GMT
#2136
To be fair, even if Damdred failed at 'looking innocent' because he was a goober and didn't instantly call Damerion out for taking something that he'd told Damerion he was trying to change in his play and using it to mislynch him (which is mind-boggling to me, Ian, lol, that could never be a town push with the information you had), he was getting through to some people in the game still.

I'm sad that he couldn't elaborate on his mocsta read better. I find that Damdred's way of looking at games resonates with mine more, and likely would have found his reasons more convincing. Of course, I'm also stubborn. So there's that.

-pokes Mocsta- I want to see your townplay though :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 04 2018 11:33 GMT
#2137
GG town, GG scum, TY host for a very enjoyable game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2018 11:34 GMT
#2138
On February 04 2018 18:09 Mocsta wrote:
Why didnyou vote me ?

You were suspicious all game


Me? It's pretty much because I work full time now and practically invest almost 0 time to thinking about the game and just post what I'm feeling at that current time so it all becomes a jumble of jumping between one thing and another. Unfortunately, it makes me bad even if I point out good things. Like I said, I'm not good any more. Just used to be.

I was suspicious of you but since nobody was really acknowledging it or agreeing then it felt like a wasted investment and then people started accusing me which is my biggest distraction/weakness. Now people know that I love getting in "pointless debates" as any alignment so it's all good for me.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 11:34 GMT
#2139
That said, JAT's point is generally right. Good reads don't mean much without the other two. And, actually, bad reads aren't as crippling as you might suspect...maybe you can't find mafia, but if you find a few good solid town reads that are better at finding mafia than you and sheep them, that's just as valuable. Sometimes moreso. Because even people who have some of the best reads are still quite often wrong.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 04 2018 11:45 GMT
#2140
On February 04 2018 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2018 18:09 Mocsta wrote:
Why didnyou vote me ?

You were suspicious all game


Me? It's pretty much because I work full time now and practically invest almost 0 time to thinking about the game and just post what I'm feeling at that current time so it all becomes a jumble of jumping between one thing and another. Unfortunately, it makes me bad even if I point out good things. Like I said, I'm not good any more. Just used to be.

I was suspicious of you but since nobody was really acknowledging it or agreeing then it felt like a wasted investment and then people started accusing me which is my biggest distraction/weakness. Now people know that I love getting in "pointless debates" as any alignment so it's all good for me.


Actually, I don't think you carried things too far this game in the 'pointless debate' department.

Ever since Himalayas I've been paranoid about you getting into arguments with me. Your scum QT with your 'shit the thread up by arguing with rsoultin' approach now just makes me question every argument we have, lol. I think I can discern the difference now. It was why I kept tonereading you town this game. So that's a plus?

I definitely still need to work on not posting emotionally. Or as much in general. It's getting better, but still reared it's ugly head with you far too much this game. Apologies for that.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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