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On December 16 2017 08:50 prplhz wrote:
Eh this mafia Palmar hiding behind SK idea is just too messed up and it's the most plausible explanation of Palmar being scum.
If Palmar is taking credit for a SK shot then the SK will leave him to Town while shooting townies in the night. An SK isn´t going to kill Palmar for us.
The only problem with this is why Grack? Vigis prefer to kill lurkers while SKs kill whoever is pushing them or is most likely to find them. SKs are fighting for survival, not eliminating scummy players. SKs hunt scum by day to fit in and look townie, but by night it´s all about looking out for themselves.
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On December 16 2017 09:18 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 09:02 Forumite wrote:On December 16 2017 08:50 prplhz wrote:
Eh this mafia Palmar hiding behind SK idea is just too messed up and it's the most plausible explanation of Palmar being scum. If Palmar is taking credit for a SK shot then the SK will leave him to Town while shooting townies in the night. An SK isn´t going to kill Palmar for us. The only problem with this is why Grack? Vigis prefer to kill lurkers while SKs kill whoever is pushing them or is most likely to find them. SKs are fighting for survival, not eliminating scummy players. SKs hunt scum by day to fit in and look townie, but by night it´s all about looking out for themselves. Grack was one of the only people to publicly scumread Palmar at the time. Both he and Oats were on him since early on in the game. It wasn't until just before Oats went down that anyone else considered him seriously. That fits much better. SK Palmar killed Scum Grack, everyone else were fine with Palmar doing whatever. Not sure why Palmar was doing his weird claims though, he could have claimed Vigi instead and hoped that town would buy it a day or two, until too many nightkills made him a target again.
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On December 16 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote:
You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment. Stop using Palmar to gain town credit, you´ve been doing it a lot during D2
On December 16 2017 09:52 Palmar wrote:
Regarding things to look at:
1) Holyflare is the only other player in the game that is theoretically capable of what prplhz has done. The fact he's ignoring it doesn't automatically make him mafia as he can be incredibly stubborn. However it should push him right to the top of any list of potential mafia. Also he's trying to push the narrative that the clear track last night does in any way relate to his alignment. It DOES NOT.
2) Forumite may have misjudged the willingness to lynch Oats. Don't overcommit to a townread on him just because he started the wagon on Oats.
3) listen to prplhz, he's town and he's smarter than all of you.
4) Force VE to keep playing, he's good and can cheerlead for prplhz. Also he's needed to get Chez to work.
5) Conversion, Kmatt, Eversince, Forumite. There are at least 3 townies among you. You HAVE to stand out, you have to do the work, keep questioning shit and don't allow the vets to run the game into the ground. Pick a player, read his filter, reach an independent conclusion. DO WORK. Don't allow the game to become a series of "default" lynches. Question everything. I like this post, looks actually pro Town. It´s much more helpful than Palmars other posts. Something to follow D3 but doesn´t change my vote for D2
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On December 16 2017 15:13 prplhz wrote:yes, forumite threw a random vote a oats at some point when the two biggest wagon were himself and conversion. whoop-dee-doo, i barely remembered he did this because it was so unnotablle.
##Vote FOrumite
see you tomorrow all youlovelly people
Please don't lie prplhz. Conversion was getting voted, I talked to the ones pushing him and provided another lynch target as alternative. I could have provided anyone else, If I was scum then why out a scumbuddy?
Also I was not a lynch target D1, Palmar tried to make a case when I was the face of the oats-lynch. Yes, some people said I made weird posts, but it never got up speed, just what I expect from my old meta which is why I rarely addressed it except a few times to Palmar/LS. This theory doesn't fit the reality, you want to make a theory about me bussing a scumbuddy when I could just have jumped on the Conversion lynch, there were better things to do D1 as the last scum. Accusing me of being SK might work better, but then suddenly voting Oats isn't suspicious as SKs have as much info as Town and scumhunt almost the same way.
The theory has to account for oddities. The only weird thing about the Palmar-scum theory is why Grack died, which I've tried to adress multiple times. The theory of Palmar-SK explains that perfectly (Grack was scummy, but also accused Palmar, and he's been OMGUSing as crazy this game as defence this game). Palmar as SK had motivation to kill Grack, also explains his weird claims of anything until something finally sticks. He's trying to stay alive by making claims until he finds a possible one, which is SK and Scum-motivation. Oats and Grack talking about Palmar D1 isn't distancing from a scumbuddy, it's hinting on their preferred D1 target.
I can accept a lot of weird things from Palmar, expect too, and I was leaning "wait and see" when he claimed the useless 3-check DT, but this is too much. He spent most of D2 making every discussion about him, finding a way to get town-credit and stall the lynch, and when it doesn't look like he can, he totally changes his style and posts some good posts to look town. It was a defence, and I'll reread them if the game goes to D3 because they looked like sound advice, but Palmar is a good enough player that he could make those as any alignment, a few posts means nothing.
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On December 16 2017 18:34 Koshi wrote:
Yeah palmar is not mafia. Thete is a big chance. Explain plz.
I would really prefer if Palmar did his defending himself, he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch. Koshi and prplhz trying to find someone else to lynch says nothing about Palmars alignment.
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On December 16 2017 20:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote:
he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch.
There are something like 10 townies alive in this game. 1 of those townies is being wagoned, and according to forumite-logic should be in charge of defending himself (see above). Additionally, that same 1 player should be town's primary scumhunter. In fact, if you were being logical at all, it's the rest of yall that should be scumhunting, because none of you is occupied with defense at the time. It's not my job to find mafia. It's my job to not get lynched here. If I find mafia in the process that's good but I only have so much time and energy.
No, even a townie up for the lynch should hunt scum, either to help the next day or provide a secondary lynch that we might consider. 7 people think you are scum, we're fine with waiting for the lynch after what you did with claiming during N1 and D2.
And you go back to your old OMGUS-case, accusing me because I voted for you early D1. Wow, such scumhunting.
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On December 16 2017 20:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 20:46 Forumite wrote:On December 16 2017 20:09 Palmar wrote:On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote:
he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch.
There are something like 10 townies alive in this game. 1 of those townies is being wagoned, and according to forumite-logic should be in charge of defending himself (see above). Additionally, that same 1 player should be town's primary scumhunter. In fact, if you were being logical at all, it's the rest of yall that should be scumhunting, because none of you is occupied with defense at the time. It's not my job to find mafia. It's my job to not get lynched here. If I find mafia in the process that's good but I only have so much time and energy. No, even a townie up for the lynch should hunt scum, either to help the next day or provide a secondary lynch that we might consider. 7 people think you are scum, we're fine with waiting for the lynch after what you did with claiming during N1 and D2. And you go back to your old OMGUS-case, accusing me because I voted for you early D1. Wow, such scumhunting. Please find another lynch. Even in your world there is more anti town than Palmar. Look for that person pls. Do it yourself, you and prplhz are the ones who wants another lynch. I'm happy with lynching Palmar today. Even if I wanted to, I don't have that much time to reread the thread. I had more time yesterday, but that day was all about Palmar, of course. I'll scumhunt tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow.
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On December 15 2017 09:34 Kmatt wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot; with our Vig taking his shot last night I can do this!
On the second day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me...
Two night kills,
And surprise murder mystery!
On the second day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me...
Three Fake Claims,
Two night kills,
And surprise murder mystery!
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On December 17 2017 03:19 Arya321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 03:16 Conversion wrote:
explain to me why Forumite wouldn't have just lynched me if he was mafia. both of you This is actually a good question. I also honestly starting to get a bad feeling about this lynch it to silent and to straight forward of a lynch. @Everyone: If we don't lynch Palmar today who should we lynch instead?
Silent and straight forward is a bad reason to mistrust this lynch. Remember 2 scum are dead, who is going to protect him if he's mafia? Also prplhz and koshi have been on Palmars side today, so it's not unanimous, nor silent
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On December 17 2017 04:39 Arya321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 04:01 Forumite wrote:On December 17 2017 03:19 Arya321 wrote:On December 17 2017 03:16 Conversion wrote:
explain to me why Forumite wouldn't have just lynched me if he was mafia. both of you This is actually a good question. I also honestly starting to get a bad feeling about this lynch it to silent and to straight forward of a lynch. @Everyone: If we don't lynch Palmar today who should we lynch instead? Silent and straight forward is a bad reason to mistrust this lynch. Remember 2 scum are dead, who is going to protect him if he's mafia? Also prplhz and koshi have been on Palmars side today, so it's not unanimous, nor silent It went silent really quickly as in very little talking about future lynches if this one fails and were on auto pilot. Most of the time these type of lynches indicate town lynches over mafia lynches from what I remember when I used to play all the time.
That's because scum try to save their buddies. Almost all scum are dead now...
I do agree that we should scumhunt again soon, but I'll leave that for later. I blame Palmar for that, making D2 all about him
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Pointless, Palmar would never have been lynched if he hadn't done those weird roleclaims. At least this makes it less likely that there is an SK, so only 1 scum left.
Been rereading some. So far I've checked a player that everyone thinks is town, and I'm fairly certain he is. Progress
I prefer to not give my reads during the night, should have more D3. See you later
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So, Town Vigi, SK or a 1-shot Mafia Vigi? I´m leaning 1-Shot Mafia killpower.
Not sure what this means for doctors. We probably don´t have one.
VE, a question. I´d like to get your read on Arya based on a few observations. He was on the Oats lynch fairly early, which is good, but since I´ve seen an odd thing with his posts. He has barely been under any pressure the whole game, but talks a lot about things making him look townie. Once when being on Oats was supposed to make him townie, and how Palmar messing things up also made him townie. I think this is odd because there was never any real pressure on Arya, so why is he nervous and feels he has to point out how X or Y is a point in his favor? Almost everyone has had Arya on their Town-list from the start so there shouldn´t be any pressure on Arya to defend himself, only to find Mafia. Do you have an idea from meta?
Did Ever ever claim the result from N1?
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On December 18 2017 13:56 Arya321 wrote:
Man you guys are disappointing me with only Conversion was talking to me -.- Please talk or something people as the longer we stay quiet the easier it is for the last mafia to hide into the shadows.
It was in the middle of the night, chill
If this was yesterday I would say my lynchlist is Chez, kmatt and HF, today it´s probably still Chez and kmatt but I´m considering Arya too and MAYBE prplhz. Arya for what I mentioned before, lots of focus on defence while not being under pressure. Prplhz is trickier, I´ve mislynched him enough to be very carefull about my reads and it could be OMGUS for yesterday defending Palmar and attacking me, but I can´t be sure that scum hide among the scummiest players. I need to do some rereading. After the bloody D1 and N1 turning up so many scum, D1 is the day that we should get the most info from, but the two scum were quite quiet and I don´t can´t see any connection to another player there. That´s why Arya rang a bell, it was so odd to see defence from one of the towniest players on everyones townlist. 3 Scum, one of them could have gone on the Oats lynch.
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On December 18 2017 20:55 Arya321 wrote:Just woke up: Show nested quote +On December 18 2017 15:38 Chezinu wrote:On December 18 2017 12:16 Arya321 wrote:
If everyone can share their lists on who they want lynch please share! Koshi Conversion Kmatt Fair enough care to explain? Show nested quote +On December 18 2017 16:36 Forumite wrote:On December 18 2017 13:56 Arya321 wrote:
Man you guys are disappointing me with only Conversion was talking to me -.- Please talk or something people as the longer we stay quiet the easier it is for the last mafia to hide into the shadows. It was in the middle of the night, chill If this was yesterday I would say my lynchlist is Chez, kmatt and HF, today it´s probably still Chez and kmatt but I´m considering Arya too and MAYBE prplhz. Arya for what I mentioned before, lots of focus on defence while not being under pressure. Prplhz is trickier, I´ve mislynched him enough to be very carefull about my reads and it could be OMGUS for yesterday defending Palmar and attacking me, but I can´t be sure that scum hide among the scummiest players. I need to do some rereading. After the bloody D1 and N1 turning up so many scum, D1 is the day that we should get the most info from, but the two scum were quite quiet and I don´t can´t see any connection to another player there. That´s why Arya rang a bell, it was so odd to see defence from one of the towniest players on everyones townlist. 3 Scum, one of them could have gone on the Oats lynch. I wasn't in defense mode I just was trying to make sure we didn't waste the night phase away which we did do -.- But fair enough. I know asked for my meta but I will bring in some games for you I was going to do it yesterday until I accidently deleted the post because I had so many tabs opening and closing T_T
Thanks for the meta list but I was wondering about the read VE has on you. 10 games, wow.
But since you answered, not wanting to waste the night phase is not a defence. Posting about yourself only help if you are under attack and need to derail a town lynch,a usefull use of the night would be either rereading filters quietly or discussing scum. Maybe blues. You insisting on being confirmed town makes no sense
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On December 19 2017 00:22 Koshi wrote:
Can people just vote? I would like to see where we stand.
And if you dont know who to vote. Go for Chez.
I'll join this one. Chez has been hard to read since the start, and koshi has looked town since very early.
I like how scum have killed of several of my scumreads, that's why I don't give reads during the night.
##Vote Chezinu
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On December 19 2017 09:49 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2017 03:52 Forumite wrote:On December 19 2017 00:22 Koshi wrote:
Can people just vote? I would like to see where we stand.
And if you dont know who to vote. Go for Chez. I'll join this one. Chez has been hard to read since the start, and koshi has looked town since very early. I like how scum have killed of several of my scumreads, that's why I don't give reads during the night. ##Vote Chezinu but isn't it super useful for town than scum shoots somebody instead of you pushing their mislynch?
Yes, it is. If I would have given my reads then maybe one of the townier players would have died, and I'd be voting HF today.
Also, prplhz, you are tunneling on me, if you are voting me then at least explain why Oats was lynched D1. He was off the radar before I got involved with the Conversion case. And if you still want to lynch me then do it quickly so I don't have to be around at LYLO.
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On December 19 2017 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi you are not qualified in this game so far to make that judgement. Hi VE,
You think Chez is town but would like a Conversion lynch today, correct? Any particular reason, for either? I've considered Conversion Town from the start, but that could have been because of how D1 played out.
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Koshi, I'd like to lynch Conversion today, will you get on board?
Conversion was the alternative to Oats, and everyone was surprised scum "allowed" us to lynch one of them without a fight.
GM put my chez-vote on koshi, wat?
##Unvote
##Vote Conversion
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On December 20 2017 00:46 Conversion wrote:
so let me get this straight: your logic is that I’m going to sacrifice a dude that carried me as mafia instead of shitting up the thread and trying to get myself lynched in the hopes that y’all are dumb enough to lose to me as mafia?
I’m not mad, but what?
Explain, what are you talking about?
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On December 14 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:Ok I did a quick reread of Conversion's scum play in the last newbie. I think the difference between his play in that game and in this game is really night and day. Do a quick read for yourself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=ConversionIn that game his reads are a lot more indecisive. He gives a list of wishy washy reads and whenever he gives a read on somebody that isn't a town read he adds a qualifier for why his read may be wrong. In this game he calls out things that he doesn't like about DF, Forumite's and Arya's play right off the bat without reservation. Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote:
BTW Setup talk is a dumb thnig to speculate now since we should just focus on pure scum hunting. this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:16 Arya321 wrote:On December 12 2017 12:04 Conversion wrote:On December 12 2017 12:00 darthfoley wrote:On December 12 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote:
you won last game I did. It was not as glorious as advertised ya but why would you tell people palmar led "us" to utter defeat last game, when you won? i think he means he led town to utter defeat? Just not worded right I think. from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting? Show nested quote +On December 12 2017 23:53 Conversion wrote:
the way I see Oats is he makes a lot of weird aggressive posts early. it's what he does after that matters more (when I was mafia w/ him he opened the same way, but then starting being more passive)
what's your opinion on Forumite? I don't like the soft questioning he(she?) is doing without giving away reads unless asked I think the chances of Conversion being scum are really quite low. WIFOM, but funny
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