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On November 02 2017 08:43 Tictock wrote:
At pg 20 now.
DF and Oats were bickering incessantly last night but now I see DF saying he has mindmelded with Oats over their reads. Feels like a rather quick and convenient turn around to me.
Part of me wants to call BS on the whole argument they had and say it was actually a forced SvS fight, but that is probably far fetched. More likely is a Scum DF buddying Oats.
I actually like Oats calling out my HF read, it is kinda a mixed bag. I was too leinant with HF last time I played and left him slip by as scum when he pretended to be forced to speak Russian. Here I feel like his push on Conv was off when he was pushing Conv for his scum read on Damer when HF himself was voting Damer. Someone mentioned HF and Damer had a history last game though so idk how serious HF's opening vote was.
Also yea Damdred is being pretty lackluster since the game got going.
So Oats more likely Town than DF I think.
What do you make of ruxxar, and Conversion vs. Shockey?
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I want to hear Krogan's reads ASAP and whether anything has changed.
I still don't understand this line about me being opportunistic. It's bullshit. I've been the one actively pushing people and seeking out mafia. That is not being opportunistic. Being opportunistic is being the 3rd or 4th fiddle on a wagon, which is kinda what you're doing right now Ticktock-- and what Vivax and Zen_Master have done. You can say that i'm playing aggressively (true), perhaps too aggressively for your liking, but not that I've been opportunistic.
Yall keep bringing up my super early D1 scum reads on Krogan and Shockey. I made the post about Krogan like 10 posts in. They were literally off the cuff first whiff reads. Since then my reads have stabilized and i'm feeling decently comfortable with them.
What I find weird is that HF has basically completely skirted this darth vs. ruxxar thing. He's made a lot of tangential comments about the two of us, but hasn't really given an opinion about our b33f. So what say you, HF?
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Can people explain why they're scum reading Damerion? His filter is pretty NAI with an understandable read on Shockey's entrance
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On November 02 2017 11:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:17 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2017 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 02 2017 01:47 Conversion wrote:
Thanks for furthering my conviction that you're scum, honestly. Stop telling other people to learn how to read when you clearly can't yourself. Your above paragraph was garbage since I called out on the same page why I'm an easy lynch. You haven't posted anything worthwhile... So... I mean you've only backed DF, helped push Damerion's bandwagon on me, which it's only you two voting for me currently, which makes it look even scummier. Like what else do you want me to do? You're calling my post garbage, but at least I'm present and providing my reads on the current actives, and I think I provided enough value that I don't need to explain myself once again to you. right there. I called him out saying it wasn't just me and Damerion voting him, called him out saying Damerion actually never voted him, and then asked him how his argument makes sense. Completely dodges it Just so you know, because you really keep asking, I'm sure Damerion would have voted for me if the voted thread existed at the time he decided to just disappear. But you still never understood it because you don't look at every aspect of the game, only "text"....
Yo can you tell me who's in your scum pile and who's in your town pile?
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On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh
Please point out the string of posts and explain
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On November 01 2017 22:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oats is also too sporadic in the voting thread, jumping onto who ever seems the "easiest" to vote off. Him and Damerian posting are so similar it's disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them flipped red.
@Conversion or whoever asked about my Shockey town read
I don't know if scum!Shockey makes this post. That last sentence really seems like a paranoid town than anything else. Since when do mafia try to draw definitive team associations D1? It's a pretty ballsy play as mafia and will likely piss off Oats/Damerion. Team associations are never taken seriously this early. It doesn't make sense from mafia POV. Likely OMGUS = townie
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On November 02 2017 11:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 11:24 darthfoley wrote:On November 02 2017 11:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 02 2017 07:17 Conversion wrote:On November 02 2017 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 02 2017 01:47 Conversion wrote:
Thanks for furthering my conviction that you're scum, honestly. Stop telling other people to learn how to read when you clearly can't yourself. Your above paragraph was garbage since I called out on the same page why I'm an easy lynch. You haven't posted anything worthwhile... So... I mean you've only backed DF, helped push Damerion's bandwagon on me, which it's only you two voting for me currently, which makes it look even scummier. Like what else do you want me to do? You're calling my post garbage, but at least I'm present and providing my reads on the current actives, and I think I provided enough value that I don't need to explain myself once again to you. right there. I called him out saying it wasn't just me and Damerion voting him, called him out saying Damerion actually never voted him, and then asked him how his argument makes sense. Completely dodges it Just so you know, because you really keep asking, I'm sure Damerion would have voted for me if the voted thread existed at the time he decided to just disappear. But you still never understood it because you don't look at every aspect of the game, only "text".... Yo can you tell me who's in your scum pile and who's in your town pile? You can go through my filter for that, not wasting my time writing that again.
You can't be bothered to write like 3 names down? Stop being a diva please
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On November 02 2017 12:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
alright fine, top three scum reads were damerion, oats, and it was between you and conv.
When did you change me from town to scum, and why?
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I'll be on shortly. This game is spicy, and I like that.
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On November 03 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax mafia though
You might be right about this, but I think ruxxar is the safer bet.
@Oats all of Vivax's filter is super bland and opportunistic. His two scum reads were me, who at the time had a lot of pressure, and Shockey, who's uber lynch bait and also had thread sentiment against him.
He never provided any town reads, and his reasons for scum reading us were either non-existent or just regurgitating other people's ideas. Sure it's 3 posts, but they're bad posts.
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Ruxxar's 180 on TT is really odd. I need to reread the last 5 pages or so.
I'm also confused as to why everyone who was hardcore scum reading me 12 hours ago has backed off me and seemingly forgotten about their "cases" on me. It's almost as if it was a phantom wagon based off of mafia piling. Didn't see that one coming
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On November 03 2017 05:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote:On November 03 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax mafia though You might be right about this, but I think ruxxar is the safer bet. @Oats all of Vivax's filter is super bland and opportunistic. His two scum reads were me, who at the time had a lot of pressure, and Shockey, who's uber lynch bait and also had thread sentiment against him. He never provided any town reads, and his reasons for scum reading us were either non-existent or just regurgitating other people's ideas. Sure it's 3 posts, but they're bad posts. Meh, I thought shoockey was mafia on my first read through. Also thought you were mafia. Soooo I kinda don't think he's scum. Townreada are overrated
Yea I've never subscribed to the whole "i'm gonna find town and then PoE" strategy. Idk, Vivax being the fifth person to put me at #1 scum just doesn't sit right.
Also his activity compared to the other mafia game going on according to HF. Might be a lame reason to read someone scum, but oh well
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On November 03 2017 05:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Deadline in 1h 45 min right?
correct
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So it's like 3-3-2 with Shockey-Ruxxar-Me? TT having only one vote after 3-4 people have been shitting on him is mighty mighty interesting.
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On November 03 2017 05:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:17 darthfoley wrote:
So it's like 3-3-2 with Shockey-Ruxxar-Me? TT having only one vote after 3-4 people have been shitting on him is mighty mighty interesting. I mean, rux voted Vivax randomly, and it's me and you shitting on TICKTOC soooo eyeah
I thought Ruxx, Damdred, and 1-2 others were talking about how TT is bad? HF too, no?
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On November 03 2017 05:29 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:19 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2017 04:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:59 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2017 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 03:18 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:I don't like ruxxar. Him disliking damer, scumreading df and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic. Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:
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I agree about DF.
About conversion... the jury is still out.
He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town. On November 03 2017 01:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space
HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that
Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")
I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad
1) You deliberately used a quote that was from the last game, making it seem like it was something HF said this game. That's not bad wording, that's intentional deceit. 2) The quote you used was wrong, because it was NOT a good scum indicator for damerion, yet you used it anyway pushing your argument as if it had a leg to stand on with HFs name flying high in there. I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game. Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that? What is opportunistic about my reads? You literally switched 180 when ticktock started getting additional pressure. If that's not opportunistic, what is? HF, vivax is a coinflip, we don't lynch coinfljps day 1 This. Also you scumread/disliked df and damer shortly after scumreads on them appeared. I've posted my own reads on these people. If you disagree with the points i've made then break down what you think is scummy about my reads. It is scummy that you made them directly after they were being called out by others. You're reads weren't really new. You maybe tried to find some other things you can write on them so people see that you make your own posts and you can defend yourself with this argument. Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 05:56 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 04:48 darthfoley wrote:
Yea I wanna hear who ruxx thinks is scum. And other people if possible Sure. Right now you are my top scum read.
1) You're being wishy washy trying to coast by. Casting shade and town reads around you pretty lightly.
You're keeping every option open, snaking your way around from read to read.
2) This post is incredibly nitpicky and trying to infuse meaning where there is none. One of the worst posts in the game.
It's very over explainy and trying to siphon meaning out of very word instead of trying to understand the overall message of the post.
On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:
I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.
Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary
Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.
So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger
Besides you there's a few people on my to watch list: Oats - for the same reason of also blowing things up and putting emphasis on worthless fact as if they were gold and had some divine scum meaning. Damerion - I detected a change in meta behavior, need more posts to evaluate. Shockey - I know I'm biased due to meta. The threshold for where that meta no longer holds is very thin. But still resides as town. Also the bickering with conversion tips in his favor. HF - His damerion vote with no explanation was a red flag, but his later followup was ok. He's awfully quiet this game, but he has an excuse. Otherwise keeping an eye on him as his meta is different from last game. A bit more laid back. Not sure how to interpret it, will need to wait until he makes a real push. This are the only "new" points I found (I already said why I think your reasons to be on TT are weak). And I think they are very easy to fake so that you can bring your defense now.
His points on me were literally just restating what you said about me. At least #1
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On November 03 2017 05:44 Tictock wrote:We had a late lynch rush at my morning job so I have shit for time today, basically just the next half hour and I need to eat lunch in that time as well. No time for filters, just gunna skim a bit. This caught my eye: Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2017 01:19 Tictock wrote:On November 03 2017 00:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I feel a bit odd about TT too, as some one who understands the amount of hours worked, I wouldn't come in posting my thoughts after each person's post in the thread, this caused him to change his view on the game all the time, something I feel like scum wouldn't even care about anyways.
I would of gathered my thoughts first on the overall conversation, and then provide quick bullets on each of the topics i wanted to discuss; Zen's big post here. I felt like TT was just trying to string together posts after each response in the thread to make it look like he was active, while letting his scum buddies do the rest when he's not available. This is literally how I play every game. I like to respond to things as soon as I read them else I feel like I will have a harder time recalling things later on. And yes I always get called out for it as well. And how many of those times were you actually scum? I'm not voting for you yet cause that's not an indication that you can be scum, but it definitely leans towards it. I don't care much for why you're voting for me, but if you're thinking I'm scum over the others that are very likely to be scum, then you obviously see the game differently. First, in response. Hardly any, I think? I haven't been playing much mafia and I've only rolled Town in the past year. Probably an easy thing to check via the database. Second, it occurres to me that scum!Shokey has everything to gain by pushing me here when there is clearly several people scum reading me and he is in danger of being lynched ATM. ##UnvoteGunna put my vote on DF and try to catch up.
Lmao okay dude. @Krogan, you seem to have come around to my way of thinking regarding ruxx. Does this mean you're town reading me?
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On November 03 2017 05:42 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote:
Before I head out I will say a couple of things.
Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria.
Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself.
Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch.
I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with.
I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched.
I'm still going to lynch tick tock. I just wanted to get vivax playing.
Never understood the whole "I'm voting for this person and telling them I'm pressuring them, not because I think they're mafia strategy"
Might as well play poker and show your hand to the whole table
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On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though
Who?
Also notice how Vixax has pivoted off of me when thread sentiment did so
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Actually though. Everyone went from "omg Darthfoley so scum, yea I agree!" To completely forgetting me. What gives @ruxx and others?
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