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/in or /coach, whatever you need more
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Can coach if you wanna fit him in 13. Or make a 14 setup I dunno.
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Damerion sounds like a robot from outer space trying to fit in with civil talk like us humans do.
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I literally just played with him. Sounds completely different to me.
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In the way that I outlined in my only other post.
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More specific? I didn't feel like he was a robot that game and now I do.
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His weird phrasings, his read on you being no conclusion but felt the need to talk about it, his free town reads. Just feels off.
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Whoever the newbie was being aggressive btw is super townie. Forget who it was.
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On October 13 2017 18:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
Whoever the newbie was being aggressive btw is super townie. Forget who it was. So you like the guy who agrees with you about damerion.
I don't like the points he make too much (throwing out reads is ok) but I like him for his passion. His other posts are a bit too nervous looking for me though so I take it back.
Minorly.
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I'm not VT. That's alll you get to know.
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I guess you could say that I'm burnt out.
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On October 13 2017 22:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 19:31 Holyflare wrote:On October 13 2017 18:53 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
Whoever the newbie was being aggressive btw is super townie. Forget who it was. So you like the guy who agrees with you about damerion. I don't like the points he make too much (throwing out reads is ok) but I like him for his passion. His other posts are a bit too nervous looking for me though so I take it back. Minorly. So... your current read of the guy is what?
Enigma.
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A slightly townie enigma that could be mafia in the long run.
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On October 13 2017 23:03 happykrogan wrote:
Just realized that ruxxar has the biggest filter of everyone, but as far as I can see doesn't really push the game forward. Just posting fluff, town leans and pretty harmless questions.
Best read of the game imo.
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Happy joins the town crew. No hating now.
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I can confirm you're posting irrelevant trash that has obvious answers and leads the game nowhere, Ruxxar.
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Happy is my biggest town read by a country mile at the moment. His posts about Ruxxar are on point. It's a perfect mafia strategy to be active but not post content and just appear to be asking "relevant" questions. Which is what is happening.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve Ruxxar.
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It would be a completely different situation if you took what people were saying and formulated some kind of read based on their answers but the questions you ask don't lead to meaningful answers that let you draw these conclusions.
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And you then pretty much try and coach him out of a good read.
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I do not agree with these damdred faker town reads at all.
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is he a native english speaker?
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happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Conversion <-- could be being buddied, will return later with an update
darthfoley
ruXxar
xenonn40
Damerion
Oatsmaster
Grackaroni
Fecalfeast
Onegu
Damdred
coolTLname
that is all
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On October 14 2017 06:42 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Eh, I dont think I agree to much.
Hes slightly different and less attack oriented but I still think his reads are ok but he is a bit to sure about them. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote:
Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. What is this jump in logic on how from one post you say he is too sure about his reads where this next one that is what makes him town to you. How does one go from being "too sure of reads" to having "clear concise reads with hard reasoning"? Seems like a weird jump in logic...
excellent post, welcome to the top tier
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my aim this game is to buddy everyone and sheep
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On October 14 2017 08:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Conversion <-- could be being buddied, will return later with an update
darthfoley
ruXxar
xenonn40
Damerion
Oatsmaster
Grackaroni
Fecalfeast
Onegu
Damdred
coolTLname
that is all useless why are so many people posting list posts??
To strike fear into mafia's hearts.
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On October 14 2017 08:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:33 Holyflare wrote:On October 14 2017 08:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Conversion <-- could be being buddied, will return later with an update
darthfoley
ruXxar
xenonn40
Damerion
Oatsmaster
Grackaroni
Fecalfeast
Onegu
Damdred
coolTLname
that is alluseless why are so many people posting list posts?? To strike fear into mafia's hearts. it would help if you actually called somebody mafia
I am only buddying and sheeping this game.
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I haven't seen anything really really good to sheep yet. Is that a problem?
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Trust me. Mafia are afraid of my PoE abilities. Guarantee it.
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Why would I vote you when you're on my town pile?
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Do you think my list is most scummy to least scummy or something?
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On October 14 2017 21:21 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:15 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think my list is most scummy to least scummy or something? Why would I think that?
Then why are you confused that I'm not voting you?
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Xenon has joined my mafia list btw.
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No I didn't. All the good people are in tiers and then there's a collection of trash at the bottom.
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happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Conversion <-- could be being buddied, will return later with an update
darthfoley
ruXxar
Damerion
Oatsmaster
Grackaroni
Fecalfeast
Onegu
coolTLname
Damdred
xenonn40
That's without reading the big group of people that I can't be bothered to read.
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On October 14 2017 22:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 22:11 Holyflare wrote:
No I didn't. All the good people are in tiers and then there's a collection of trash at the bottom. What are the tiers, and why are people in them?
You're just gonna have to figure that out, sweetcheeks.
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On October 15 2017 00:08 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I am also skeptical about these pushes on xenonn. I'm not sure how to explain it but it just seems too obvious to lynch him. Then again I don't know why any town would want to make themselves a lynch target. Nevertheless I feel like its more of a nooby town than malicious scum. However the kinda jump onto him has piqued my interest.
HF if xenonn is your biggest scum read why not vote? We are not far away from deadline.
Haven't we got another 24 hours?
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Wtf how have I lost a day of my life?
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Oh well maybe I better get onto doing stuff then :D
Xenon's posts just look like he has no idea how to make stuff up to fit in. From what I remember he just copied one ff post as a joke and not much else. Just looked a bit forced. He's been present too.
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For what it's worth my list post is
Extremely town
Pretty towny
Towny
Null/trash
Slightly mafia
Mafia
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I'm very proud that twi newbies top that list.
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Voted xennon. Ruxxar why aren't you trying to get me hammered into the ground?
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I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
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My tier list is wrong because I did too much association between damdred and Damerion. I still don't think they're together but I think Damerion looks worse imo.
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You might say that "oh hf but he already said he's finding town this game instead of looking for scummy things that's why it's different!" but without talking about ongoing games he did very well with the previous strategy so I don't see a need to change it up at all.
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On October 15 2017 00:55 Conversion wrote:
like, not to OMGUS you but literally this entire thread so far has been non-accusatory except grack on oats, ruxxar vs krogan, and then Xen being on the mafia pedestal due to his shitty posts.. and I think he's a bad lynch because he's a newbie, so feel free to contribute
I am insulted, sir.
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I think Damerion's post on grack just solidifies my scum read on Damerion.
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why don't you want to lynch Xen?
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this is a very boring conversation you two are having, you should both ignore each other for a while and see how that pans out
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Onegu did the exact same thing afking last game and was town, Conversion, it's just a 50/50 whether he's mafia so to have him as your biggest scum read is somewhat of a giant cop out when there's a plethora of people posting.
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ruXxar (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40
Holyflare (1): ruXxar
Xenonn40 (2): happykrogan, Holyflare
Conversion (2): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock
Not Voting (6): Damerion, Conversion, Fecalfeast, Onegu, Damdred, coolTLname
pathetic amount of non-voters
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Also duly noted that Ruxxar is still voting me after saying he doesn't think I'm that mafia-y anymore and criticising me for not voting earlier.
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after reading xennon's new posts I do indeed side with the fact that he could be really lost new guy
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After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon.
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On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote:
I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me.
^^^^^^
This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest.
Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone.
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Join me on this pure, victorious wagon of justice where we lynch Damerion, the fallen!
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On October 15 2017 00:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
Voted xennon. Ruxxar why aren't you trying to get me hammered into the ground? Because it's not going to work.
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because I don't think ff has done anything that looks that scummy in the slightest and has made good observation points and Damerion is completely different and background-y trying to fit to a style he can't emulate very well
and because I said so and I get my lynch 
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you're all getting his name wrong
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On October 15 2017 02:08 Conversion wrote:Damerion is pretty lackluster this game. no idea why. Grack-oats interaction wasn't as interesting as he insinuated it to be. Damdred is doing nothing per usual even though he thinks he is lynch-invincible. I don't like him. I'm not lynching Onegu since he came like 1 hr before lynch and shennani'd scum in the first game I played coming back FF's posts are shit and he does nothing, but doesn't mean much since he was like that the game I lynched him. I'd lynch Xen over him, if it came to it.ruxxar seemed good, but now he's AFK. need you to get off HF and figure out scum with me instead of parking on HF. I'm never gonna townread HF, but he looks better than every single one of you except DF maybe FF/Xen for lynch today. Otherwise Damerion. Maybe spite lynch damdred for supposed lynch invincibility claim he made.. 
It's interesting you mention why Damerion over FF when in this post you highlight that you wouldn't lynch FF over Xenonn and that FF is playing just like he was in a game you lynched him (and was presumably town) and that Damerion looks lacklustre.
Very interesting.
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On October 15 2017 01:27 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:27 Holyflare wrote:On October 15 2017 00:55 Conversion wrote:
like, not to OMGUS you but literally this entire thread so far has been non-accusatory except grack on oats, ruxxar vs krogan, and then Xen being on the mafia pedestal due to his shitty posts.. and I think he's a bad lynch because he's a newbie, so feel free to contribute I am insulted, sir. I chose to selective not remember you accusing Damerion as mafia because you want to lynch Xen and I don't.I don't feel bad at all
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nobody gives a shit about your unqualified and terrible opinion though
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On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks
I agree
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NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now
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xenonn is the BIGGEST lynch bait
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On October 15 2017 02:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now I dont understand what he sis between your vote and you going i like his new posts when he hadnt posted anything oo
I read his filter earlier and went away and was talking about him when I returned without reading his new posts. Then I read his new posts.
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I am happy with voting Damerion, anyone else needs to fight me and say why he shouldn't be lynched.
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On October 15 2017 03:16 ruXxar wrote:
I will gladly admit that one of the strongest reason I don't want to lynch damerion is because he played like a champ last game.
I feel like this bias is clouding my judgement on him, but it's hard to not want to give him 1 more day at least.
that's not how you should ever play this game, you lynch people that are playing like mafia and he is playing like mafia
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but I'm mafia ruxxar so why am I right?
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What was the question damd?
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Ruxxar still thinks I'm mafia eh?
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Oh the posts that made me change on xen? The ones where he stops trolling and talks about town reading ruxxar and voting oats. Looked really lost and had no idea what he was doing in comparison to my original thoughts of he looks lost and doesn't know what he's doing but is still trolling.
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I guess his newer posts solidifies that reasoning too.
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I am surprised you didn't think the same thing damdred. Which makes me very suspicious of you.
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On October 15 2017 04:08 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:02 Holyflare wrote:
I am surprised you didn't think the same thing damdred. Which makes me very suspicious of you. Actually I did point out earlier before i voted him hf. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:14 Damdred wrote:
I think the game is different than what I was thinking. Xenonn could be scum but I think his few posts could be pointed to just newb mistakes and not understanding how to play yet.
People have asked me who I want to lynch, but I really do not know I have reasoning to think a few people are town (almost over half of the game) but I have very few scum reads/tendencies. It aucks when it happens this way and i feel like we have to policy kynch tkday. I wanted to see what he would do when he got back
Then why did you vote him lol?
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On October 15 2017 04:14 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I feel like this is a pretty strong wagon on damerion that I don't agree with. Early on in the game I didn't like his posts but his posts haven't changed much imo. It just seems like some people realized its a possible wagon and just jumped on it. Particulary HF since he had keeps wavering on his reads
So early on you didn't like his posts, nothing has changed but you don't like the lynch?
Point to one place where my reads have been wavering in the slightest??
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And how have too many people jumped on him?? He has the same amount of votes as the wagon you're on.
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On October 15 2017 04:18 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote:
I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me. Damerion Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
After re-evaluating Xenonn (actually reading his filter) I've come to the conclusion that Damdred, the god of tone reads, is actually mafia jumping on an incredibly easy bandwagon. Damdred Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:On October 15 2017 00:42 Holyflare wrote:
I actually think damerion is really really mafia. All you have to do is look at how explanatory his posts are in this game and compare them to hurricane shelter. In hurricane the only thing he talks about are scum reads and they have concrete reasons to be scum leans etc. This game he appears to be constantly on the back foot, all his reads are flimsy town reads.
Looking at his big initial post a lot of them aren't actually town reads either. There's a bunch of flimsy stuff like ruxxar(?) posting good but not alignment indicative stuff??? Which makes the whole paragraph a waste of time and contradictory since good stuff is normally a townie trait and if it's not then why post about it.
He also seems robotic to me. ^^^^^^ This is all before he has completely switched up his playstyle to now be a mafia read that's not a mafia read, it's just "Interesting" and totally wasn't interesting in the slightest. Then he just dropped off the face of the planet without talking to anyone. Back to Damerion
And I still think they both can be mafia reads. That's not wavering, there's more than one mafia in this game.
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On October 15 2017 04:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I could be down with murdering HF.
Just putting that out there for any Damdreds that may be listening if they want to make a big play.
you fooking wut mate?
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On October 15 2017 04:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh, Ill wait till Damerion gets back to defend him, not worth the energy until then.
Idk HF progression on xen has me baffled. Like Xen does his newb postings and hf starts scum reading him, continues to push for his lynch.
Suddenly hf says because of Xen new posts he thinks he is just a confused newb. But Xen made 0 posts between the two events. I dont know its just a strange progression for hf meh.
it's not particularly difficult to comprehend since I literally explained my entire thought process and a step by step guide on how I reached that conclusion
there is a much more pressing matter at hand though:
On October 15 2017 04:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 04:08 Damdred wrote:On October 15 2017 04:02 Holyflare wrote:
I am surprised you didn't think the same thing damdred. Which makes me very suspicious of you. Actually I did point out earlier before i voted him hf. On October 15 2017 00:14 Damdred wrote:
I think the game is different than what I was thinking. Xenonn could be scum but I think his few posts could be pointed to just newb mistakes and not understanding how to play yet.
People have asked me who I want to lynch, but I really do not know I have reasoning to think a few people are town (almost over half of the game) but I have very few scum reads/tendencies. It aucks when it happens this way and i feel like we have to policy kynch tkday. I wanted to see what he would do when he got back Then why did you vote him lol?
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I'll make it really clear for you, Damdred.
These are the posts that I saw xen make early game and what I remembered from him:
+ Show Spoiler [nub mafia] +On October 13 2017 14:17 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
All you noobs start posting now or this game will get huge and you won't know how to enter I just got home. On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. On October 13 2017 14:28 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
Everyone who's not me is mafia except the noob who posted that hes vt Clearly, Fecalfeast and the other noob must be mafia.
Then I come back to the thread having read basically nothing and just make a snap judgement/push on him based on the above. My thought process is simply "He is a new guy that doesn't really know how to fit in as mafia so his default was to go to arbitrary jokes to blend and not post anything useful."
Then after people put up some resistance I thought I'd go back and see he had some more posts:
+ Show Spoiler [nub town] +On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. On October 14 2017 12:52 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. Yes, sorry Ruxxar.
where it now looks like he's just trying his best and is super fucking confused about how to play the game so he goes back to being lynch bait, this is backed up by his later posts quite well
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Holyflare (1): ruXxar
this guys is also very very likely mafia now
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maybe not, hold that thought
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either way I hate the fact that I can't ctrl + f the word vote in Ruxxar's filter because of his stupid fucking signature thing
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If Damerion flips town the game becomes super easy because of all this posturing people are doing in regards to him, not that hard to find mafia in them. You included damdy.
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everything he posts screams mafia but then I just remember that's how he plays as town too :D
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Everyone not voting Damerion right now I want you to write your reasons in this handy format:
All mighty Holyflare, I am sorry I am not sheeping your amazing top tier read on Damerion but I do not agree with it because (insert reasons here). Again, I am sorry that I do not support your read but acknowledge you are really, really good at this game and will listen the next time you make a read and have a full debate with you over the points that you raise. Good day, sir.
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Outline your reasons that Conversion is scummy.
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nice handy bullet point summary for me
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You realise this is 100% mafia vs mafia right?
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On October 15 2017 06:28 Damdred wrote:
Man this is insane, the tgread being pushed now is that the counter wagon to mafia is mafia because the setup has to be 2x goon and pr.
Insane
I don't think that's the setup and nor do I care.
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Grack been super sketchy around deadline and keeps insinuating I'm mafia. Bad.
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Here's the thing nobody is talking about, if Damerion is not mafia then mafia are either Fecalfeast/oats or mafia did not do anything to save conversion.
On October 15 2017 06:00 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 Votecount
Conversion (4): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Damdred, ruXxar
Damerion (4): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster, Conversion
ruXxar (2): Oatsmaster, MyLonelyLock, happykrogan, Onegu, Grackaroni
Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40, Damerion
Fecalfeast (1): darthfoley
Holyflare (0): ruXxar
xenonn40 (0): happykrogan, Holyflare, Damdred
Not Voting (1): coolTLname
Conversion is the lynch!
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So, it's my conclusion that they're both mafia and someone voted conversion for the cred! Potentially. Dunno who yet.
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Especially as Damerion has just appeared for deadline and left again.
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I don't know why, half the game is American.
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why the fuck would you put yourself into a lynch pool?
also damd did you forget you were hosting a game?
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oh fuck life let's stop talking about it then
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I really, really think this was SvS though.
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On October 15 2017 08:23 Grackaroni wrote:
I think this is pretty straightforward.
Lynch pool should be HF/FF/Oats/Onegu/myself and the afk guy. I don't think this was SvS.
Why does your lynch pool include people who didn't even vote to save conversion btw? Why didn't they just vote damerion then?
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I actually have a really solid and legit theory that could be mafia ending.
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If Damerion is scum and couldn't vote Conversion then his other alternative would be the third highest wagon which is Ruxxar. Ruxxar was on 2 votes and Damerion didn't vote him but then when he returned (to afk again lolololol) who did he end up with his vote on? Oatsmaster. Now, I guess it's not so suspicious UNTIL you read Damerion's posts:
On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present.
^ This is an excerpt from his opening post that I really disliked. Notice how it says absolutely NOTHING. He mentioned a bunch of town reads which I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with if this wasn't thrown in at the end. It's a little mention of Ruxxar that says he didn't dislike Ruxxar's post but it hasn't got any relevance to an alignment. It's tacked on and sticks out like a sore thumb, it's irrelevant.
Then, you go through his other substantial posts in the game (there aren't many, let's be real) and who does he town read?
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
His major read in this post is that OATSMASTER IS TOWN.
Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on.
Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person.
Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out.
The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster.
I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date.
Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment.
and Grack is mafia!
so why does he vote oatsmaster?
On October 15 2017 05:58 Damerion wrote:
##vote Oatsmaster
On October 15 2017 06:00 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 Votecount
Conversion (4): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Damdred, ruXxar
Damerion (4): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster, Conversion
ruXxar (2): Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Onegu, Grackaroni
Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40, Damerion
Fecalfeast (1): darthfoley
Holyflare (0): ruXxar
xenonn40 (0): happykrogan, Holyflare, Damdred
Not Voting (1): coolTLname
Conversion is the lynch!
He was the third highest lynch that wasn't his partner!
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Even if they aren't partners it doesn't change the fact that Damerion voted his big town read on a whim for no discernible reason and didn't vote his mafia partner.
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there's definitely a vig if we had 14 players
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I wouldn't care if he was sticking to his morals because I can KIND of excuse that as a new guy potentially (probably not) but the fact he voted one of his only town reads too!!! Not gonna fly mon amigos.
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Then ignore the conclusion since it involves your grace and how about the fact that he voted his town read for absolutely no reason and then afkd again?
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So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up!
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?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
why would we want to vig a mafia?????????
do you even hear yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My theory is so correct, look at the squirming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bahahaha the mafia team squirm is undeniable ruxxar
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Wowww the flailing is realllllll!!!!!!!
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Then why did he vote oats instead of you?
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But ruxxar already told me he's a good power role that shouldn't be viged today so they can get actions off.
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You don't have to try lol
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You think that's a good question that he's never seen before or what?
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I will never in a million years believe onegu is scum if you're town. Never. He said he scum read you and then voted not you or conversion as far as I remember. That would be extremely stupid as mafia if you were town.
I also don't buy your oats read.
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On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town.
You didn't even read up to this point it looks like.
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##vote Damerion
I will never in a million years believe you returned to the thread not knowing much, the last few things you wrote being that Oatsmaster was town and saw you were up for lynch and didn't:
A) vote conversion to save yourself
B) vote Grackaroni who was your previous scum read
C) stick around to explain
D) wait until right at the last second to explain
Instead you:
A) voted your town read
B) didn't save yourself
C) made baaaad posts all cycle in comparison to sheepable short points all last game
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On October 16 2017 06:00 darthfoley wrote:Before I die, there's a decent chance that HF is scum. Do not forget this post young noobs. Show nested quote +Before I die, there's a decent chance that HF is scum. Do not forget this post young noobs.
There's 0 chance though so it's cool.
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Damerion purports that he had absolutely 0 time to play ti be around and that the cycles are short so he didn't realise. If that was the case absolutely nothing would have changed about his previous reads. So, when he says "oh Oatsmaster is a bit more aggressive than last time???" it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense that that would make oats mafia over the 10 other people he could vote and if he didn't have time to play/read then his previous oats read is:
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
He might counter with that he posted:
On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:51 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Oats also ignored my question when I asked him what he thought of the Grack meta read on him being mafia, but idk man he just seems to be doing his own thing The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster. I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date. Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment.
But it would be bull shit. Oats was only a POSSIBLE mafia if it was a LIGHT BUS meaning ONLY if Grack was mafia it was a POSSIBILITY. Therefore, since he no longer read grack as mafia his default Oatsmaster post is that oats is town.
His reasoning for voting oats is bull shit.
It troubled me at the time and was enough to vote him at the time, I understood that I could of been voted off but I had precocious few moments before I had to go back to work related issues.
He somehow appears out of nowhere, without reading thinks oats is now troubling despite saying his aggression made him town and thinks that oats was a better possible vote than saving himself since "votes were moving".
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Anyone that does not vote Damerion needs to be in the newbie section with a coach. This is bull shit mafia all over it. It's like when I was being lynched in Carol of the bells as obvious mafia and my team didn't want to lynch me so they voted off wagon instead of saving themselves. It's stupid and obvious mafia.
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WHY WOULD ONEGU BE CALLING DAMERION MAFIA THE ENTIRE TIME BUT THEN HAVE NO REASON TO SAVE CONVERSION AND GET CREDIT GRACKERONI?
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Like the best read that Damerion can muster is simply that Onegu is mafia because of some bull shit Conversion interaction? No, no way. He can't even come up with a reason why a mafia Onegu wouldn't even vote to save Conversion by voting Onegu's SCUM READ damerion.
Please explain how he can reach that conclusion.
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perhaps you don't know how to play mafia but it's not by wasting a kp on someone getting saved
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I also don't know if you know this but I most assuredly claimed I'm not a vt at the start of the game
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ruxxar instead of doing some bull shit plays like you normally do how about you talk to me
If Damerion had no time to play and he didn't read the thread when he returned then why was oatsmaster his preferred lynch target when he previously said oatsmaster was TOWN for being aggressive?
If he had no time why would he simply just not save himself? That's the biggest unanswered question. He simply said "votes were moving and I had no time" but that doesn't explain for a single second why he didn't try and stay alive.
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Why does he think Onegu is mafia but didn't vote to save his partner conversion? Why doesn't that play into his read in the slightest? His entire read on Onegu is based on CONVERSION'S filter instead of Onegu's filter. If Damerion is town why on earth would he ever think that someone that scum read him and DIDN'T vote him to save his partner would be mafia? That's entirely the opposite conclusion anyone in that position should think.
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His entire basis for his reads are determined on conclusion > analysis instead of the townie way of analysis > conclusion. He's writing narratives (which is completely different to what he did last game, might I add) instead of just trying to think of the game as a whole.
He's also stopped doing his game plan this game of PoEing people and then finding scum and has instead just decided to find things that don't make sense.
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He next goes about and tries to get people off of Conversion by trying to facilitate a Chinese fire drill onto RuxXar, who he has solely focused on at this point. He pushes really hard and all he needs at this point is one more person to come off of Conversion and I am lynched instead of Conversion.
This on its own is thin, and is easily explained away with how tunneled he is on RuxXar at this point in time.
Onegu does his part in the play as well, trying to help push votes off Conversion so that I am lynched or they get enough people to switch to RuxXar and lynch him instead.
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Which is my one problem with the Onegu scum read, why would he just not vote for me after showing such disdain for me. It is a problem I am trying to work out, perhaps if Conversion flips it makes him look even worse? I do not think that is that valid of a point however.
See how he spends all that time talking about Onegu but then how it's actually completely irrelevant? He builds an entire narrative of Onegu being the mafia diverting people to Ruxxar to save Conversion despite scum reading Damerion and also Damerion being the highest wagon in the game at that point. <--------- Important.
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On October 16 2017 07:31 Damdred wrote:
His read on Oats did change though, idk why you are are acting like he was hard town reading him.
The medic dodge isnt a rela point, and his oats conversion comnection is at least interesting.
Eh I wont vote for him I think.
And where does this happen Damdred, pray tell?
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I'll help you in fact. Every mention of Oats in its entirety:
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
I do not know Oatsmaster scum range obviously but I am confidant that this action would more than likely come from town.
Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out.
On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:51 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim.
The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Oats also ignored my question when I asked him what he thought of the Grack meta read on him being mafia, but idk man he just seems to be doing his own thing The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster. I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date. Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment.
On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:51 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim.
The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Oats also ignored my question when I asked him what he thought of the Grack meta read on him being mafia, but idk man he just seems to be doing his own thing The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster. I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date. Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment.
On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town.
On October 15 2017 05:59 Damerion wrote:
Let us do Oatsmaster instead
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On October 16 2017 07:35 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:33 Holyflare wrote:On October 16 2017 07:31 Damdred wrote:
His read on Oats did change though, idk why you are are acting like he was hard town reading him.
The medic dodge isnt a rela point, and his oats conversion comnection is at least interesting.
Eh I wont vote for him I think. And where does this happen Damdred, pray tell? In the long Gracky post where I dont like how oats acts either.
You mean the posts where he clarifies that the entirety of the post is about Grack being mafia and nothing at all about oats being mafia? Oats ignored Grack's pressure and somehow that makes Oatsmaster mafia?
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god damn your names are so similar
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On October 16 2017 07:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:16 Holyflare wrote:
ruxxar instead of doing some bull shit plays like you normally do how about you talk to me
If Damerion had no time to play and he didn't read the thread when he returned then why was oatsmaster his preferred lynch target when he previously said oatsmaster was TOWN for being aggressive?
If he had no time why would he simply just not save himself? That's the biggest unanswered question. He simply said "votes were moving and I had no time" but that doesn't explain for a single second why he didn't try and stay alive. It doesn't make much sense from either alignment. If he's town he should be voting conversion to save himself. If he's mafia he should be voting conversion to at least get a sliver of town cred for voting mafia. In the end I found his explanation very unsatisfactory, but he's also a new player who might be evaluating the game differently. What I do know, is that survival instinct is very high on the list for mafia. You are a huge threat do damerion, and I am very certain that he can not have missed that he was a hairs breadth away from being lynched by you. If not him, then his partners must've observed it. There was also no sign that you werent going for a damerion lynch today. No sane mafia person with 24 hours to evaluate, would not kill you even at the chance of a medic save. I do feel as if there's a shell surrounding damerion. A facade if you will, filtering away all emotion. He is as you say "robotic" and very unengaged in the natural game flow. It makes him hard to read, but I don't know if that necessarily makes him mafia. Conversion as you saw on the other hand was very engaged in the game and was having a flowing conversation with people. So I'm not sure how convinced I am of it being a mafia indicator for damerion. Especially taking into account how I saw him play last game. We still have 48 hours to figure this out, so let's keep at it.
Damerion is not new.
Damerion just called out 3/3 mafia in the last game.
Does this look like a Damerion that just wrecked an entire mafia team?
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Grackaroni is absolutely mafia if Damerion is town.
This is a legitimately solid read.
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On October 16 2017 07:44 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:39 Damdred wrote:On October 16 2017 07:35 Damerion wrote:On October 16 2017 07:33 Holyflare wrote:On October 16 2017 07:31 Damdred wrote:
His read on Oats did change though, idk why you are are acting like he was hard town reading him.
The medic dodge isnt a rela point, and his oats conversion comnection is at least interesting.
Eh I wont vote for him I think. And where does this happen Damdred, pray tell? In the long Gracky post where I dont like how oats acts either. But didnt you say the whole point was grack and not oats? Well, the point of the post was how Grackaroni reacted with Oatsmaster. But I still thought that Oatsmaster response, lack of response, or just general tone left a lot to be desired of. I think that Onegu at this point has a better shot at it, but Oatsmaster should not be ignored. He was really afk at lynch time and around that time, but in the past game he was super present during the ongoing procedure and he was trying to facilitate the vote. Here he just exists and though he pressures he has no real follow through.
Why does onegu spend 50% of his catching up posts calling you mafia but your narrative is that he tried to get votes off conversion by lynching a wagon with 1 vote on it?
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Why does someone ignoring pressure on them equate to them being mafia Damerion?
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On October 16 2017 07:46 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 16 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think Onegu is mafia but didn't vote to save his partner conversion? Why doesn't that play into his read in the slightest? His entire read on Onegu is based on CONVERSION'S filter instead of Onegu's filter. If Damerion is town why on earth would he ever think that someone that scum read him and DIDN'T vote him to save his partner would be mafia? That's entirely the opposite conclusion anyone in that position should think. This is a very good point and I agree. From damerions point of view, where he should be considering himself town, there's absolutely no reason why he should expect onegu not to vote for him if conversion and onegu are mafia partners. But with how Conversion was flopping around, what happens if Onegu saves him in that situation? Once Conversion flips (after I flip town), he is instantly connected with Conversion and has a much greater chance to flip afterwards.
What happens if Onegu saves him? Nothing. He has a built up filter of disliking your posts and has no suspicion from voting you other than he saved mafia which doesn't necessitate that he is mafia in the slightest. He also saved his mafia partner for one more cycle and potentially many more if Conversion gets the credit built up over time.
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I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion.
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On October 16 2017 07:57 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 05:24 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Man you have has a hard on for Damerion from the get go lol. You still never mentioned your update on conversion being buddied (or I missed it). Can you say why you thought that? Holyflare...I have a waiting request for you when you wake up.
Didn't really have an update tbh. He was just being too nice towards me all game and it's my blind spot so I just put a mental note to be wary. To be honest I don't even know the reasons he was lynched :D
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On October 16 2017 08:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion. Mistake how?
Mistake because Conversion could have just jumped to a non partner wagon that was building to save the team? I still think Damerion is independently fishy though but less than before.
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On October 16 2017 18:52 xenonn40 wrote:
I was leaning towards voting Damerion, because if he is not Mafia, I think it is pretty likely that the other mafia are among Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster.
Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point.
And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable.
Here's the thing, Damerion COULD be town but only in a world where FF/Oats are also mafia. That's also not entirely unlikely at all. Seeing as Conversion voted Damerion it kind of changes things a lot, that was their out to save Conversion most likely so mafia is almost certainly one of FF/Oats.
I don't think Conversion votes his partner in that situation instead of jumping on the next highest wagon ruxxar/oats.
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No, I'm here to play mafia which is a game of deduction using reasoning and logic. That's why I call people stupid because if I pose a case toward people and they don't follow it they need >>>reasons<<< to not follow it and to engage me in a healthy debate. It's frustrating to put effort into a game where you test your deduction/reasoning/convincing/debating skills to be met with "Lol I think he's town" or "Nah this other guy cos no reasons".
I only call people stupid that don't engage me.
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I am, at times, abrasive because I don't appreciate other people's styles of just one liner irrelevant unexplained reads. It's annoying. Sorry if I annoy you, I don't mean to.
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For what it's worth at this juncture, until we know the alignment of Damerion it's kind of hard to lynch anyone on the Conversion wagon. I think focus should be diverted at Oats/FF/Grack/Onegu with a bias towards Oats and FF.
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On October 15 2017 02:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:08 Conversion wrote:Damerion is pretty lackluster this game. no idea why. Grack-oats interaction wasn't as interesting as he insinuated it to be. Damdred is doing nothing per usual even though he thinks he is lynch-invincible. I don't like him. I'm not lynching Onegu since he came like 1 hr before lynch and shennani'd scum in the first game I played coming back FF's posts are shit and he does nothing, but doesn't mean much since he was like that the game I lynched him. I'd lynch Xen over him, if it came to it.ruxxar seemed good, but now he's AFK. need you to get off HF and figure out scum with me instead of parking on HF. I'm never gonna townread HF, but he looks better than every single one of you except DF maybe FF/Xen for lynch today. Otherwise Damerion. Maybe spite lynch damdred for supposed lynch invincibility claim he made.. It's interesting you mention why Damerion over FF when in this post you highlight that you wouldn't lynch FF over Xenonn and that FF is playing just like he was in a game you lynched him (and was presumably town) and that Damerion looks lacklustre. Very interesting.
I think I made a very good point without realising it. Reading my filter is a gold mine. He shits all over ff constantly but always avoids trying to vote him over other people.
When asked who he would vote he says Damerion over FF but then when you look back on his quoted post he'd lynch Xenonn above FF even so the fact he mentioned Damerion vs FF was really strange at the time. Probably partners.
##unvote
##vote fecalfeast
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but you witnessed the power of the bus just last game damd
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So, FF, you're saying that the mafia team is Conversion/Damerion/X and that I give you "Scummy vibes" but you've actually voted the same wagon as me day 1 and had similar reasoning to me and then effectively been sheeping me all game. Now, when I spent the whole night talking about Damerion you're voting him again for similar reasons so:
1) What gives you scummy vibes from me and why are you just lynching Damerion if he was the guy I was pushing non-stop?
2) Why are you voting Damerion when Conversion also voted for Damerion instead of the next highest wagon on Oats or Ruxxar?
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On October 17 2017 00:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ya ok damdred isn't scum I'll just vote damerion again last vame he was 3/3 on scum by day 2 and today nothing afaict
And why is he not mafia? You're living in a world where Conversion AND Damerion are mafia right now, Damdred is saying that he's not mafia because he hammered on Conversion INSTEAD of Damerion but in your world they're both mafia so why does Damdred suddenly become not mafia for hammering one of two partners?
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Oats wasn't even a wagon until right at the last minute when Damerion switched to him tbh.
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On October 17 2017 01:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Good point idk I haven't read that far into it
that it?
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There were two main wagons, one being Damdred's town read (Damerion) and the other being Conversion. I don't think Damdred would have been able to switch off Conversion at that point effectively sacrificing Damerion because he'd come under a lot of flak.
Was it a bus? It's pretty unlikely. Is it possible it was a bus? It's not impossible.
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Especially with the posts FF is making I think it's pretty likely he's one of the other mafia players.
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There's 24 hours yet for you to care about being lynched as mafia though.
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Why are people lynching damdred though?
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On October 17 2017 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2017 13:07 Damdred wrote:
As for the charge i am not figuring the game out, i figured it out enough to vote scum out. So score one for me bitches. (most loving manner possible)
I cant believe that you believe that it makes you town. Thats ridiculous ##vote FF
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So damdred is super scummy and you complain everyone is falling for his bussing strategies and when he just reiterated the point you're making you vote ff??
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On October 17 2017 03:57 xenonn40 wrote:
I am parking my vote on Oats. I want to even up the vote a bit (see my last post) and see how this plays out.
What does this mean by the way? Why do you want to even up votes?
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How about we do something more productive and you say why you're not mafia and who is instead?
If you're living in a world where both damdred and damerion are mafia then explain how it went down at deadline.
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On October 18 2017 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I think FF will probably flip town today just the way the wagon has went the lack of real push agaibst it, unless oats+ff is the team at least.
Let me reas a few filters rux and ill post something in a few minutes.
If he's mafia who the fuck is gonna save him? What if his partner is just the afk guy?
You looking really bad for doing the same thing you did with dame tbh.
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I'll tell you, I don't particularly care if ff is mafia or not. I'm going to lynch people that can't even be bothered to read the game. The basic premise of mafia, you know?
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How does Damerion go from voting oats to not mentioning oats again and instead bringing up grack all over again as if his previous point evaporated into thin air and his deadline vote was a sham?
Almost like trying to vote oats to save a team mate.
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On October 18 2017 06:48 Damdred wrote:
Half of the game did nothing today but afk a vote on ff, your point isnt very good about that
This is also super disingenuous damd and you know it. Half of the people in the game afk voted FF who was doing nothing to sway their vote to him being town and didn't even give a shit about reading the game
compared to you who randomly said he was town based on nothing and stated his invisible team mates weren't defending him despite your other scum read being (???????????????????????????????????) and then did absolutely nothing to move the vote off of him onto mafia
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On October 15 2017 06:00 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 Votecount
Conversion (4): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Damdred, ruXxar
Damerion (4): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster, Conversion
ruXxar (2): Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Onegu, Grackaroni
Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40, Damerion
Fecalfeast (1): darthfoley
Holyflare (0): ruXxar
xenonn40 (0): happykrogan, Holyflare, Damdred
Not Voting (1): coolTLname
Conversion is the lynch!
Here's the thing. I'm far far too lazy to colour in the rest but this is what I think happened. If I think that oats is town (the conversion calling him town and just by his general play looks towny) then not a single person on the mafia team decided that they would save Conversion by voting on Damerion. This gives us two possibilities.
1) Damerion is mafia.
2) Damerion is town and the mafia couldn't vote for Damerion or were afk.
In the first instance that Damerion is mafia it's very likely he's a role since Conversion was just a goon. If that's the case you want to prioritise either saving your partner by voting off wagon and starting a new one (Onegu, Grack, xenonn) or by voting on your other mafia partner and gaining credit for it (Damdred, Ruxxar spring to mind).
If we look at the vote count just before Damdred/Ruxxar/Conversion switch their votes it might tell us a bit more about things.
On October 15 2017 03:58 Skynx wrote:Day 1 VotecountruXxar (2): Oatsmaster, MyLonelyLock, happykrogan, Onegu Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40 Holyflare (1): ruXxar xenonn40 (1): happykrogan, Holyflare, Damdred Conversion (3): darthfoley, MrLonelyclock, happykrogan Damerion(3): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster Not Voting (2): Damerion, coolTLname As of now, Conversion is getting lynched!
Day 1 ends Saturday, Oct 14 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is mandatory. Only votes made in the voting thread are valid.
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Damerion (3), Conversion (3), Oatsmaster (2), Ruxxar (2). Assuming Oatsmaster is town in this situation you have Damerion, Ruxxar and Oats as possible counter wagons to you. In this situation as mafia you want to minimise bussing and prioritise self preservation. Conversion makes this post:
On October 15 2017 02:24 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:22 Holyflare wrote:On October 15 2017 02:08 Conversion wrote:Damerion is pretty lackluster this game. no idea why. Grack-oats interaction wasn't as interesting as he insinuated it to be. Damdred is doing nothing per usual even though he thinks he is lynch-invincible. I don't like him. I'm not lynching Onegu since he came like 1 hr before lynch and shennani'd scum in the first game I played coming back FF's posts are shit and he does nothing, but doesn't mean much since he was like that the game I lynched him. I'd lynch Xen over him, if it came to it.ruxxar seemed good, but now he's AFK. need you to get off HF and figure out scum with me instead of parking on HF. I'm never gonna townread HF, but he looks better than every single one of you except DF maybe FF/Xen for lynch today. Otherwise Damerion. Maybe spite lynch damdred for supposed lynch invincibility claim he made.. It's interesting you mention why Damerion over FF when in this post you highlight that you wouldn't lynch FF over Xenonn and that FF is playing just like he was in a game you lynched him (and was presumably town) and that Damerion looks lacklustre. Very interesting. it's also very interesting because I just reread MS Paint mafia and I don't want to lynch FF anymore.. I just don't like his play (he also though my play was scum from MS Paint, so maybe we're doomed to think that about each other) I'd rather lynch Xen over Damerion bc I think Damerion can drop this bullshit play and still singlehandedly destroy scum like he did in Hurricane, but meh. idk where he is
which imo heavily implies Damerion is town and can "switch on" at any point (goes against everything I stand for but it's what it looks like :S) So, if there's a town Oats wagon and a town Damerion wagon and Damerion is the highest and you have a high profile player pushing it, who would you vote? He can either sheep damdred on a solo 1 vote wagon that would spell his death or try and survive and vote the next highest LIKELY TOWN wagon, Damerion. I know which one I'd choose.
Still with me? What are we left with? It's just about a vote like this:
On October 15 2017 05:15 Rels wrote:Day 1 VotecountDamerion (4): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster, Conversion Conversion (3): darthfoley, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan Oatsmaster (2): Grackaroni, xenonn40 ruXxar (1): Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock, happykrogan, Onegu xenonn40 (1): happykrogan, Holyflare, Damdred Holyflare (1): ruXxar Not Voting (2): Damerion, coolTLname As of now, Damerion is getting lynched!
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Conversion is definitely getting lynched, there's a 40(!!) minute gap between this vote count and Ruxxar/Damdred switching to Conversion and "hammering him". So, let's look at their stances before this vote to see if they could have saved Conversion by voting Damerian/Oats/Ruxxar:
Ruxxar: Obviously won't vote himself, town reads Oats, semi scum reads Damerion enough that he could save his partner.
Damdred: Hard town reads Damerion for unknown reasons, doesn't scum or town read Oats, afking on Xenonn, town reads ruxxar.
The above two players Ruxxar has a good alibi, he could have easily voted Damerion but hammered Conversion instead. Damdred, alas, has no real excuse, his vote wasn't needed to hammer Conversion since Conversion was dying for WELL over 45 minute before he switched. His vote was on an afk wagon on xenonn instead of a main wagon until 10 minutes before a lynch and his xenonn read was fucking ugly on a massive lynch bait guy. He couldn't REALLY hammer Oats because there weren't enough votes and he had no excuse to jump on oats so his only way to save conversion would be to vote dame, which he can't. This doesn't make damdred mafia (a lot of what he's done this game kind of does though) but it's a good reason for him to be mafia in a world where mafia could have saved conversion.
^ I'll leave the above in here because I cba to edit it out but on reflection it's a bit hit and miss. Would damdred get called out for letting his town read die? In the end he did hammer conversion needlessly when he could have just afkd his vote.
People off wagon: Onegu/Grack/Xenonn
Onegu: Scum read conversion and damerion and could have easily sheeped me and voted the counter wagon to his mafia buddy (was he afk at deadline?). Good alibi in that case if he wasn't afk.
Grack: voted oats, defended damerion even though he said he was wary of him on day 1, hard defended him n1, could have potentially voted damerion to save conversion but seemed married to oats vote and not really bothered (was he afk at deadline too?)
Xenonn: ?????????? vote oats just because???????
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this post doesn't actually say anything btw I just wanted to write some notes and couldn't be fucked to process it so I'll leave it here and go to bed
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I started reading damdred's filter though and he says that conversion vs someone was town vs town and that he didn't look bad but then ended up voting for him
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On October 15 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Converdion v DF feels like town v town to me.
On October 15 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Converdion v DF feels like town v town to me.
On October 15 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote:
Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded. But I figured you meant to say Lonelylock/Conversion was town v town, which I would absolutely agree with. I agree with both assessments doctor Gracky we should begin removal of the contaimenent immediately.
No posts about conversion since then??????
Votes Xen, no posts from conversion or him referencing conversion, votes conversion?
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actually fuck it, that post says more than nothing because some of it's wrong and I cba to figure it out but we should have just lynched damerion today to make it clear what the fuck happened
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a vig would have been great
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So grack how are you gonna defend Damerion's oat read next?
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I did read the end of the day? At the time.
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Based it off memory. If I cba to even finish the post I definitely cba to go back and check. That's all your jobs.
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And if you were both there that just makes it more likely damd is probably mafia with Damerion.
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We need info on Damerion to solve game tbh
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I said to ignore it because it's wrong. I was beyond tired at that point.
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I'm just gonna lynch Damerion for suggesting onegu is mafia but then cancelling his read by asking why onegu didn't save him but still keeping it. Oh, and also only appearing at deadline. Also for forgetting an oats read.
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On October 16 2017 07:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok look at when Damerion town reads Oats. It is at the start of the game when he is asked by Mr Lonelyclock what he though of Oats, and the read is based off of series of posts where he questions Ruxxar, which were posts that I also liked from Oats. He gave this read before I pointed out things about Oats' tone. Later on he does seem to walk back his Oats read a bit saying that he found it interesting that Oats ignored my accusation.
I think it's way more likely that his read changed without him updating it as town and believed the lynch to be TvT than that he panicked and voted off wagon because he was too afraid to bus when one of the two of them was very likely to die anyway.
Plus his posts have been way townier in this game than the other one imo. His thought process seems much more in depth whereas the other one I would have scum read him if I wasn't scum. That game it looked like he just chose a scum read and then went through the motions of asking people to kill him every so often rather than actually making an attempt to solve the game.
Okay, look at when Ruxxar town read Conversion. It is at the start of the game when he provides reads in a read post. The read is based off a series of posts nobody scum read Conversion for which were posts I also kind of liked from Conversion. He gave this read before people pointed out problems with Conversion. Later on he does vote for mafia by hammering them.
I think it's way more likely that his read changed without updating it as town and hammered mafia because it was a good move when the mafia wasn't getting lynched.
Plus his posts have been way townier this game than his other ones where he tin foils for days on stupid crap. His thought process seems ok whereas normally it's trash tier wtfness. That game it looked like he just chose a scum read and then went through the motions of asking people to kill him every so often rather than actually making an attempt to solve the game.
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I don't actually believe anything I wrote there I just thought it was hilariously hypocritical.
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Depends if onegu gets modkilled or there's a vig. Haven't really worked it out tbh.
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I didn't think conversion was mafia. I don't even know why he got lynched :p I did think he might have buddied me early game to get on my good side though but put never really checked back on him.
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The thing that makes damdred stick out to me is the fact he voted xenonn. He's supposed to have amazing tone reads and even I could pick up the screaming I'm new and lost vibes but his vote was on him for ages. Also how he says 0 words after town reading conversion into voting him.
There's only one thing that I think damdred might do though that makes me hesitate. I'm not gonna give it to him though.
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happykrogan
MyLonelyLock
Oatsmaster
xenonn40
ruXxar
Grackaroni
Onegu
Damerion
Damdred
New list.
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Perhaps when you auto voted me for dumb reasons 3 games in a row
Also, I've just demoted you in the list for buddying.
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I've got a juicy read for you guys tomorrow. Mafia better be killing me 
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If Damerion is mafia onegu is 100% his partner.
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I can also name 4 people with little reasoning.
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Ruxxar probs mafia. Actually extremely likely.
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Ruxxar hammered mafia, town read by a lot, not dead.
Far too agreeable.
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Why aren't people voting and why isn't ruxxar voting Damerion?
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I'm not mafia though lol. Neither is oats imo.
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Not Voting (5): xenonn40, Damerion, Grackaroni, Onegu, Damdred
Still....
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just... floating on water?
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I would definitely like an answer as to why you're voting me xenonn.
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On October 21 2017 03:32 ruXxar wrote:
There is no pushback against a damerion lynch.
This means 1 of 2 things:
1) Damerionia not mafia.
2) Damerion is mafia and his partner is not holyflare or oats.
I say this because holyflare and oats would absolutely fight to protect their partner.
so it's not just that his partner could easily be one of the 5 afk voters that didn't give a shit about the game?
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plz just lynch damerion you plebs, stop this shit right now
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we get a free mafia when onegu flips anyway
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can we all just get along and vote damerion? the dude literally only pops up at deadline to say one thing and do nothing
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I don't like how you've made the vote so close to switch to dame or claim mafia
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hey look he was free mafia
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this game is null and void now cya
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It's just fucking boring to play these games because it's the same every damn time, either I'm mafia and play non-stop to win or other people are mafia and afk the shit out of the game and make any kind of analysis absolutely irrelevant and it's a colossal waste of my time. Onegu just afked at the start of the game and didn't even save his team mate and likely his other team mate is the newbie or grack and didn't even vote for damerion to save conversion.
Then the rest of the game who aren't even mafia can't even be fucked to vote when they have 48 hours to place a vote and instead they wait until 47.5 hours to place a vote. The whole point of the game is to vote, analyse what they post and find contradictions but instead we just have people that could be mafia or are just lazy town just voting because they HAVE to to avoid modkill.
It's really not fun and please think twice about signing up if you're not going to play.
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On October 22 2017 01:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Eh you can complain about inactivity but the scummer will probably end up being Ruxxar who has been active enough to judge.
You buried Damerion for not voting to save himself, which wasn't scum indicative, and for writing a case on scum Onegu.
and onegu didn't save his team mate because he was too afk to realise what was going on and have any thread presence to save him
and his team mate is probably the newbie who isn't being coached what to do and is lost and doesn't know to save his team mate or do anything to play the game so yeah, it's stupid because literally like 50% of the game solving ability of myself is from looking at votes and motivation and people who are afk have no motivation and newbies are lost and harder to read so
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I'm still not VT and I stick by that claim.
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Don't particularly care if newbie dies because he could equally be mafia and this game would be even more irrelevant but I'm placing my vote on the only guy to join mafia onegu on a shenanigan wagon at near deadline which was grack.
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am I wrong that you're the only one trying to shenanigan?
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you couldn't vote damerion and save him because it would just be tied
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because he made his post with points to vote damerion/conversion before damdred/ruxxar switched
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you can easily just vote the newbie right now so who cares?
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I'm pretty sure you gave reasons to note vote damerion and you were also just majorly afk and have no thread presence and also conversion wasn't even in the lead and wasn't gonna get lynched until 15 minutes before deadline at which point you hop right onto ruxxar
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not gonna argue, it's just what makes sense to me in a world where mafia plays like crap I hope at least one of them had sense or they had some strategy other than afk and look like shit off wagons
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whatever it's ruxxar then and this game doesn't make the slightest bit of sense
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I don't think it's particularly hard to fathom why I'd push the people that I did. It's a bit hypocritical as well to say you didn't push onegu because of my reasoning but then say I'm mafia because of that reasoning also.
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It's really quite simple. Mafia's strategy is to keep their team mate alive. The fact that onegu tried to initiate a shenanigan on a completely different wagon is fucking retarded but he stuck to it when 90% of his read through was that Damerion was mafia. It didn't make the slightest bit of sense to vote onegu and I still wouldn't ever agree with Damerion that what he said makes onegu mafia in a million years when the assumption is that mafia is fucking stupid.
Now, we know that the mafia plan was to instead initiate a shenanigan to ruxxar or whoever the fuck onegu was on. Either onegu does this to further his retarded plot and distance on mafia team mate ruxxar or the mafia counter wagon to save conversion was ruxxar. The fact you voted ruxxar was very out of the blue and you were further off wagon for no reason to begin with. It's quite likely you tried to divert with onegu rather than the mafia strategy just being let conversion die.
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Onegu flipping mafia reveals the mafia plan and thus completely changed the intention of your vote.
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It's pretty opportune to start berating for all these lynches you "got right" when you did nothing to stop any of them or convince us of another.
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Bahahahahaha I can't wait
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Ruxxar already claimed mafia lol this game is over
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Yeh you slipped when you said they're gonna kill krogan instead of the guy who hammered mafia :D
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You should kill me because I'm never not voting you
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Nop I'm going to lynch you and you can try and twist it to me being mafia all you like but I'm still just going to vote you.
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No townie makes assumptions about night kills on people with unknown alignments like you just did. It was a really bad post.
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And now that I think about it you've made pretty similar egregious posts earlier when I asked to vig Damerion n1
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Never lynching anyone else.
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I shot ruxxar, you're welcome.
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##vote ruxxar
bye muchacho
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Unlike sicklucker I am actually willing to reconsider all possibilities. That is why I'm voting ruxxar. Can't understand why you even post that comment when we're all even voting for your previous day lynch target.
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But you're voting me, go figure. I've answered your question about my role repeatedly so what is it now? My willingness to kill you yesterday but seemingly flipping that read into killing ruxxar?
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Looooool you're saying that I don't get who I want lynched as town?
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Also Grack I'm not VT, I'm vanilla town
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Also, in my defence, I don't think I pushed Damerion that hard day 1 at all in comparison to what I normally would do.
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It's hilarious in fact that you pull out a quote where I'm asking for people's reasoning to be off the wagon and try and start some kind of discussion about it because that's incredibly townie.
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well you're doing a shit job of that right now because anyone that's town in this game knows I just confirmed myself
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Fun fact. Did you know at the day 1 deadline when conversion gained the most votes or at least close I asked people why and then afkd without responding for 45 mins before deadline or caring to push damerion ahead and returned to not even know why people voted conversion?
Pro mafia strats.
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This is a very fake push you made on me ruxxar. Shameful even.
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It's also the exact same bs as last game "oh hf pushed chezinu so late in game because easy lynch"
Bitch, please. I wanted Damerion vig shot n1 so we could have cleared up this mess ten years ago.
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On October 15 2017 09:54 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
So now it means that both wagons were mafia and the game opens up! You're putting the cart before the horse. How about you just ask the guy when he comes back? Pressure him, get some answers. Why would you need to vig him anyway? If he's so mafia like you claim, you can lynch him tomorrow, what are you afraid of? Also, please stop with the exclamation marks. You're making me sick with the fake enthusiasm. 
Didn't even want to vig a potential mafia though.
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Mate they lynched 2 newbies over you
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Who are you trying to fool?
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I'm clearly not mafia and you're not even arguing against it lol
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On October 26 2017 06:36 Holyflare wrote:
Mate they lynched 2 newbies over you
Nkd
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No idea why grack is even voting me
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it was a good bus ruxxar but very very very unnecessary
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On October 27 2017 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
it was a good bus ruxxar but very very very unnecessary Lynching damerion day 1 wouldn't have turned out well though
Onegu could have so easily saved conversion lol still baffled by that move
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If you've read my post about my role you'd be completely bonkers to vote me btw.
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That's how I know it's you
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And probably the fact you didn't want Damerion shot even if he was mafia.
Also too nice.
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On October 27 2017 06:06 Damdred wrote:
Rux tried his best, him and hf just couldnt do it.
Grack was right about oats early, damer goinf to give me shit he texted me after i died and called oatss.
Man crazy
I don't think that's true in the slightest.
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On October 27 2017 06:17 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:On October 27 2017 06:06 Damdred wrote:
Rux tried his best, him and hf just couldnt do it.
Grack was right about oats early, damer goinf to give me shit he texted me after i died and called oatss.
Man crazy I don't think that's true in the slightest. Which part? I think both of you were tunneled and both did thi gs wrong in mylo, but meh.
I could have quite easily reconsidered anyone apart from grack (who was basically mod confirmed but I didn't want to say it and that was bs) but the fact that Onegu did the shittest play day 1 and didn't vote for Damerion and Ruxxar was trying to confirm himself as town for hammering mafia but not being nkd only to vote me for some god forsaken reason looked really opportunistic. It was also strange that newbies were getting killed over ruxxar (even if they played well).
Then he tried to push me for "hammering damerion" when I in fact didn't even give a crap about pushing my lynch at all day 1 and really not even day 2 where I essentially policy lynched ff for wasting my time which is super frustrating. Yet his read was that I was mafia for being resolute on a Damerion lynch which is just staple me play regardless.
Then in regards to oats, I was reading other mafia's filters and went through day 1 to look back and he looked pretty towny, mafia essentially did a good distancing game and played awfully as a team and that was a bonus for end game cred.
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Like, I don't care if I'm wrong about a lynch but I give plenty of reasons for that lynch and the state of the meta now at least is to completely derail a game and have no reasons to lynch people other than bla bla bla rhetoric with no interaction. It's super stale and bores me. Admittedly I played end game lazy as fuck but it's not a very motivating game to play.
At least I'll give credit to ruxxar that he was ten thousand times more enjoyable to play with and actually did give reasoned out reads for things so gj there.
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On October 27 2017 06:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
In my opinion, early game votes don't mean that much. I've been in games where it's TvT day one and mafia isn't on any of them, I've been in games where mafia has only been on their teammate.
It's the only part of the game I read though.
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Because he was doing shit all and still being smug? Was quite obvious.
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This game would have been a thousand times easier if people just did the really basic logical things. Onegu spent ten years attacking damerion and didn't save his partner. I'm still throughly confused on that. Damerion didn't vote to save himself and it looked bad to me when it's a mafia that flips. There's probably 100 more instances.
I also still don't even know why conversion got lynched or how he gathered votes despite asking several times why lol. It also baffles me how people call me scummy simply for asking people to state reasons why they wanted someone lynched, in a game of mafia!
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I never said I wasn't wrong. Just that nobody engaged me at all in debate about why somebody was scum or town other than "he just is" and that's fucking boring.
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I understand that but it's just because I get frustrated that when I post good points on someone and nothing happens and 50% of the game haven't voted it's fucking frustrating and so I revert to berating people to follow me instead because that works 10/10 times.
Which is why I'm surprised you called me mafia (and part of the reason I voted you) for doing what I do as town.
I am a lot nicer to interact with if people actually play the game of mafia and post X, Y, Z points and have a discussion over that and then we reach an agreement or disagreement. Much much more enjoyable. Instead we get someone says X and everyone meanders along afk and there's no rhyme or reason to it other than feels.
Although day 1 was "active" 6 people hadn't voted really close up to deadline so what the fuck is the point? The same happened day 2 or 3 as well where 5 people didn't vote until 30 minutes!!! to deadline. That's 47.5 hours of pissing into the wind.
I was wrong on Damerion, sure, but that's because he did absolutely nothing to interact with me because of habitually not being around and so that enables me to spin my wheels waiting for replies and work myself into a tunnel.
I get that people have things to do and there's "enough" content to read people and make the right decisions but I don't work by reading anymore, I work on interactions which I'm just not getting anymore on this site due to people's real lives getting in the way.
It's just not particularly fun anymore I guess.
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Those two things are mutually exclusive though :p and also extremely dumb for a mafia to say because it's blatantly too contradictory.
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