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Koshi
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Grackaroni
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On October 02 2017 08:27 Koshi wrote: I'll agree that Grack is mafia or is bamboozled by mafia and is helping them push their agenda though. Either Rayn is a really good townie or a pretty shitty mafia. I reread Rayn's filter and to me his play makes sense. For one thing he pointed out that Breshke was likely scum before he wrote about it in his Vivax case. But also his read is not nearly as TMI as it seems. His observation about Breshke claiming to be excited and then not playing was actually good rather than him just magically singling out a mafia lurker as being scummy. Vivax being mafia makes a lot more sense. The way that he backed off of his read on me saying that I may just be a butthurt townie rather than mafia is not at all consistent with his town play. It seemed like appeasement rather than him actually being interested in my alignment. And his points against me were never good to begin with so that's not an argument he wants to have as scum after he almost got lynched yesterday. Actually I'm very interested in what you see in Vivax because I can usually see when Vivax is very townie and he just isn't this game. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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Fecalfeast
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There's a vote thread now right? | ||
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Holyflare
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Never votes breshke? | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On October 02 2017 06:59 boxerfred wrote: I wish I was scum. I could continue lurking. I have not read a single post of this game yet. I'm not sure when I'll find the time to do that. But I'm somewhat here. By extension, wouldn't you be thinking that the mafia are lurking since that is the premise of this post? Looking forward to your reads on 1gu and other people who could fit into that description then. I also think you should be lynched if you don't post at least 10 times today. Today for me is mostly figuring out just who are misguided townies and who's scum. I think I should get a free townread already for Breshke asking me why he shouldn't just go to bed if I don't convince him of voting someone else, but it requires a certain amoung of trust put into that not just being distancing beforehand. Basically I was the only guy around at the time and he was sort of looking for my approval to just keep his vote there, then leave at that moment. So I think that speaks in my favour, I wouldn't hold it against you if you treated this as NAI but personally I think it's a useful bit of information as it betrays a mindset in which he knew I was town. With Grack I almost wanted to townread him like in my initial reaction to the votecount but after going through the filter, this really bothers me: On October 01 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote: Of course he could be town and wrong. But mafia has to make up reasons to scum read somebody and his narrative about my post seems downright biased towards reading me as mafia rather than a fair interpretation of what I've written. Here's the really interesting thing about the game right now: There are lots of afks. The lynch is still completely up in the air. Scum almost certainly has at least one player who is in danger of being wagoned. Regardless of Rels' alignment they need to push suspicion on somebody non-Rels because Rels hasn't said anything. Then Vivax makes that post. Fuck yeah I'm suspicious. Vivax being mafia makes a lot more sense. The way that he backed off of his read on me saying that I may just be a butthurt townie rather than mafia is not at all consistent with his town play. It seemed like appeasement rather than him actually being interested in my alignment. And his points against me were never good to begin with so that's not an argument he wants to have as scum after he almost got lynched yesterday. On October 02 2017 09:33 Grackaroni wrote: Either Rayn is a really good townie or a pretty shitty mafia. I reread Rayn's filter and to me his play makes sense. For one thing he pointed out that Breshke was likely scum before he wrote about it in his Vivax case. But also his read is not nearly as TMI as it seems. His observation about Breshke claiming to be excited and then not playing was actually good rather than him just magically singling out a mafia lurker as being scummy. Vivax being mafia makes a lot more sense. The way that he backed off of his read on me saying that I may just be a butthurt townie rather than mafia is not at all consistent with his town play. It seemed like appeasement rather than him actually being interested in my alignment. And his points against me were never good to begin with so that's not an argument he wants to have as scum after he almost got lynched yesterday. Actually I'm very interested in what you see in Vivax because I can usually see when Vivax is very townie and he just isn't this game. Grack's problem with me in the first place is that I scumread him for reasons he found unfair, but when my initial reaction to seeing the votecount speaks against my former reasons, he uses that as an argument which is ALSO opposed to his initial reaction that he was being unfairly pushed. I think his reaction to my initial arguments can come from town as it seemed natural that he felt misrepped and scumread me for it. But. I have an issue with the followup here as he's putting me into a damned if I do, damned if I don't position by claiming that changing my opinion would always just be to appease him. So he's giving me the "choice" of sticking to my earlier guns which to me doesn't make sense as I have more means of forming a read at this point than just that single post from him, which makes him scumread me. Or he's giving me the "choice" of backing off from them which is what he should have wanted in the first place, but then he still would scumread me cause I'm doing it to appease him anyway. Which summed up means for Grack: As mafia, he just gave himself an excuse for voting me off whatever I do since there is no scenario in which he is going to townread me, which is convenient when there is at least one townie who voted me yesterday. Or as town, he chose a deliberately poor play since he chose an argumentation in which I'm always mafia which can only lead to one conclusion and so is worthless for discerning one's alignment. Since I'm not sure which of the two he's after before seeing how he reacts to this, I'll await his response. | ||
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Vivax
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Not so pants on head if I'm not mistaken and he's the vig for his mark my words post about Breshke, in which case I commend his shot. Vig could also be one of the dudes sheeping him. Dunno. But pants on head for scumreading me. I know him for having a bias towards scumreading active townies and having a blind spot for low profile players when he's town. It's like within his town meta to pester at least one top town per game, a thing which was always practical for me when I was scum as it led to glorious mislynches when he was pestering the Palmars, the HFs, the Koshis. Usually starting D2 or D3. I am quite open to the idea of him being town with a wrong read on me. That would leave Chez to sort out among the dudes who were voting for me. And besides his vote on me and his initial lack of enthusiasm (which he says is cause of town atmosphere I think?) I really have no way to surefire tell his alignment. I didn't like his vote on me, that's for sure, but it's also all I can hold against him atm. With that, I think I want to lynch into ppl who were playing similarly to breshke/afkers. If boxerfred doesn't post more soon, I'm voting him. If Onegu doesn't post more, him too. Cause there's only so many vig bullets and I don't see any harm in lynching afks when I've got nothing better. There's also some stuff about Damerion I would like to get off my chest: His posts somehow all look the same at this point and while it superficially looks good that he keeps giving input on many players, it also looks more like a routine he's working with than genuine thoughts, I also think his read on Grack doesn't look very dynamic and more like a mantra he keeps reciting. So I'm untownreading him. Dude could be mafia. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
I'll figure out what's going on tomorrow. I think you're right that there's a good chance I would have scum read you if you had doubled down on your read on me. The issue is that I didn't like your read in the first place and then your play didn't match what I'm used to seeing from you. If you had doubled down and kept questioning/pushing me then I might still scum read you but I would also still consider whether you were just town and wrong if I saw some townie fire. By first making that push against me and then backing off to push Rayn/Chezinu it was like there was already one strike against you and then you added another one. Regardless, in your last 2 posts I think you're approaching the game much more sanely. Even your point about me putting you in a place where you couldn't possibly be town read being a possible scum strategy is fair. | ||
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Holyflare
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Vivax
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On October 02 2017 18:54 Holyflare wrote: Good chat ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED *phtu* | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Koshi
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Dont think Damerion is mafia. His bravure and interactions with Breshke make him town. Also the double bus is weird. I like the rayn pants on head town read. I am also in limbo. That's why I wait on D3. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Vivax
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On October 02 2017 22:18 Koshi wrote: @Vivax Dont think Damerion is mafia. His bravure and interactions with Breshke make him town. Also the double bus is weird. I like the rayn pants on head town read. I am also in limbo. That's why I wait on D3. You are right it's probably stupid to think that since Damerion was Breshkes only scumread. That would be suicidal level distancing. I guess he just needs to find a posting style for himself since he just started playing the game as his current one reads premeditated a lot. | ||
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Holyflare
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Breshke still was a coinflip with no real posts. Not the best lynch. Bestest vig shot though. Dont know if mafia!rayn makes so many preflip association posts concerning a scumbuddy. I am sure he said I eas mafia for something about my read on Breshke as well. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 30 2017 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Breshke has a high chance of being mafia too. He certainly doesnt feel like auper pumped to play again as he said after game. Also people are calling afk people out but noone Breshke. On September 30 2017 13:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or Koshi, for that breshke read. But not both. On October 02 2017 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town list is: Grackaroni Oatsmaster Chezinu Fecalfeast then there is a bunch of non-posters and Damerion Holyflare Breshke Koshi shoot Breshke please. I kinda don't buy into him not at least trying to be helpful enough to mention he can't play if something happened that made him not being able to play. I think townies don't care about what happens to you if you do that and i think Breshke would inform us in advance if he was town and really -- as he claimed -- excited to play but for some reason couldn't play. Idk it just seems wrong. If Breshke is in fact town i think Koshi has tmi and is mafia. Like that read on Breshke was super fucking utterly so much garbage i can't even find the proper words for it. It's funny that i even actually think Koshi could be town here but lately his play has been super garbage (regardless of what he claims -- if you don't post any actual content and act like you are just some fucking god and just trash on other people after the game "because you are so godlike" when you got lynched on D1 for not doing anything then you're just garbage at mafia and you should go play some other game where you are not meant to put out your thoughts and you can decide everything by yourself). So there is that too. I'll talk about Holyflare a bit later, need to shower and play some brood war first. Multiquoting on mobile. I deserve a medal. | ||
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