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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:37 GMT
#629
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:37 GMT
#630
On August 26 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Oatsmaster is town so that's good. Now if Ruxxar would just post more it would be nice.

The bad thing is that we will almost definitely lose this game and i know it already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:40 GMT
#631
On August 26 2017 03:35 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 26 2017 03:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:25 Tumblewood wrote:
this just in: rayn is downgraded to scumlean, for something 20 pages back.
scumlean for what i call "lawyering" against skynx, aka asking so many questions that even a townie is likely to slip up (at least enough to be pushable). not scumread because i am aware rayn is known to ask lots of questions normally, however this time is a little Different

How is it a little different from a misguided townie asking questions?

i don't think rayn asking questions is misguided when he is town. like of course it makes sense to ask questions to figure out someone's alignment. but the reason i say lawyering is because a real technique lawyers use is to question witnesses rapidfire in the hopes they say something stupid so they can slam them for it. and rayn's questioning of skynx seemed like that to me, like it had a high chance of creating a slip that wasn't there. however if skynx is scum (which i don't think is true but always worth it to consider the possibility) rayn is 99% town.

I do not do that Tumblewood... As mafia i ask questions in a way where i can turn the answers (whatever they are) profitable for me. As town i am actually curious why someone did something. You can decide which one this is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:42 GMT
#632
Actually i did ask one loaded question from skynx but that was for a reason.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:44 GMT
#634
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:46 GMT
#636
On August 26 2017 03:43 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

i don't know anymore who you are accusing or why but if geript is mafia it is not for how he applied meta on me. so please stop making me explain the same thing over and over

I am not accusing anyone, i am asking you why you are saying geript's meta read (what is what YOU think it was) makes complete sense, when it doesn't, if it is one.

I see an inconsistency, i question it. I wanna know what i am missing or why do you think so in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:49 GMT
#638
Like let me make this very simple:

- Tumblewood makes a post
- geript calls it town
- Tumblewood says "that's how geript reads me" (meta)
- We dig up geript's meta on Tumblewood
- geript's meta from his last game as town suggests that he should actually scumread Tumblewood for that post based on meta(my opinion)

Now i want to know why you, Tumblewood, made the bolded post, because i don't understand why you think so.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:49 GMT
#639
On August 26 2017 03:48 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.

I thought I did. It's something I noticed while filtering TWs games last game and used it to push him.

Was that before or after Tublewood said "that's how geript reads me"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:53 GMT
#641
On August 26 2017 03:48 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.

I thought I did. It's something I noticed while filtering TWs games last game and used it to push him.

Actually no you didn't. Answer this again please, since there is no way this is a "good observation", those are the only two options.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:54 GMT
#643
On August 26 2017 03:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1.

How can you even say this? Last 3 games holyflare has wanted to lynch mafia every D1 (2 mafia in generic), in all of those games town just went for some dumb option instead in the end. Like saying that is completely untrue.

Will check this later to see if this is true.

Why would you post this???

koshi might actually be mafia

Just noting it for myself???

Because you look at your filter??

I do look at my own filter at times why?

He's probably gonna say you're mafia because you don't remember what you posted before and try to avoid inconsistancies.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 18:55 GMT
#644
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflare
Holyflareeee!!!!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:02 GMT
#648
On August 26 2017 03:57 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:48 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.

I thought I did. It's something I noticed while filtering TWs games last game and used it to push him.

Actually no you didn't. Answer this again please, since there is no way this is a "good observation", those are the only two options.

So last game when I was scum, I filtered a bit of TW's other games to look for things that look different but really aren't. I noticed as Town he just kinda post what he thinks. It's a bit feelsy. But when the guy is already kinda being pushed, if you say a thing it kinda becomes thread sentiment and especially so when what you say already has the ring of truth/accuracy to it.

Yes i understand this. What i don't understand is why you think the specific post Tumblewood made makes you think he is town, because based on how you view him -- remember the " His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything" -- you shouldn't be able to make a judgement call on him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:03 GMT
#650
Unless ofc you explain how this can't in any way be "struggles to post".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:04 GMT
#651
On August 26 2017 04:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1.

How can you even say this? Last 3 games holyflare has wanted to lynch mafia every D1 (2 mafia in generic), in all of those games town just went for some dumb option instead in the end. Like saying that is completely untrue.

Will check this later to see if this is true.

Why would you post this???

koshi might actually be mafia

Just noting it for myself???

Because you look at your filter??

I do look at my own filter at times why?

He's probably gonna say you're mafia because you don't remember what you posted before and try to avoid inconsistancies.

I was just thinking why he would scumread me and then boom you posted this. I know I been inconsistant as both alignments so it's nai. Also I had a question: When you said generic you talking the latest one or generic 1? Because Generic 2 he was scum and the other one that I looked at he wasn't in it? Can confirm that he did in 2 of those games you listed just questioning the 3rd one.

Generic 3.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:04 GMT
#652
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:08 GMT
#656
On August 26 2017 04:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1.

How can you even say this? Last 3 games holyflare has wanted to lynch mafia every D1 (2 mafia in generic), in all of those games town just went for some dumb option instead in the end. Like saying that is completely untrue.

Will check this later to see if this is true.

Why would you post this???

koshi might actually be mafia

Just noting it for myself???

Because you look at your filter??

I do look at my own filter at times why?

Great then.

So if what rayn said is true, any conclusions you can draw from it?

If it isnt true, what are the conclusions?

It's a lie but idk why Koshi would lie about that honestly I will ask him when he gets back on why he lied there.

Because when HF is town and you're mafia you just call him trash so at least he doesn't do anything else for the time you're alive.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:09 GMT
#657
On August 26 2017 04:07 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:57 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:48 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.

I thought I did. It's something I noticed while filtering TWs games last game and used it to push him.

Actually no you didn't. Answer this again please, since there is no way this is a "good observation", those are the only two options.

So last game when I was scum, I filtered a bit of TW's other games to look for things that look different but really aren't. I noticed as Town he just kinda post what he thinks. It's a bit feelsy. But when the guy is already kinda being pushed, if you say a thing it kinda becomes thread sentiment and especially so when what you say already has the ring of truth/accuracy to it.

Yes i understand this. What i don't understand is why you think the specific post Tumblewood made makes you think he is town, because based on how you view him -- remember the " His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything" -- you shouldn't be able to make a judgement call on him.

Because I found a better way to meta him. Like, you're quoting me from a game where I'm trying to remember old meta and I'm not even sure if I'm remembering the right person. Like before generic, my last game was what, a year before maybe more? Like there's no reason to use something old that ime not even sure is correct when I have something up to date and has no risk of conflating players.

Okay, can you explain this meta read then, since i can't find it. You're just saying "he says what he thinks" which is the same sentence than your previous meta was so how should i be differentiate this new metaing from you from the old one?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:12 GMT
#658
Idk, i don't think this means anything regarding Tumblewood's alignment. I don't mean to be a dick here but like... for someone who takes an argument and calls it XvX without even actually contributing to it, i can see how he comes to the conclusion he does.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:16 GMT
#660
On August 26 2017 04:14 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 04:07 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:57 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:48 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
[quote]
In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.

I thought I did. It's something I noticed while filtering TWs games last game and used it to push him.

Actually no you didn't. Answer this again please, since there is no way this is a "good observation", those are the only two options.

So last game when I was scum, I filtered a bit of TW's other games to look for things that look different but really aren't. I noticed as Town he just kinda post what he thinks. It's a bit feelsy. But when the guy is already kinda being pushed, if you say a thing it kinda becomes thread sentiment and especially so when what you say already has the ring of truth/accuracy to it.

Yes i understand this. What i don't understand is why you think the specific post Tumblewood made makes you think he is town, because based on how you view him -- remember the " His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything" -- you shouldn't be able to make a judgement call on him.

Because I found a better way to meta him. Like, you're quoting me from a game where I'm trying to remember old meta and I'm not even sure if I'm remembering the right person. Like before generic, my last game was what, a year before maybe more? Like there's no reason to use something old that ime not even sure is correct when I have something up to date and has no risk of conflating players.

Okay, can you explain this meta read then, since i can't find it. You're just saying "he says what he thinks" which is the same sentence than your previous meta was so how should i be differentiate this new metaing from you from the old one?


Remember Generic 3? Remember Ruxxar who had a complete inability to not vomit each and every single little thought he had in the thread? It's kinda like that but way more subdued. It's like he has a thought, gives no shit about how it makes him look and just posts it.

On sec let me get on comp to find an example.

Please do since i don't care about what Ruxxar did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 25 2017 19:16 GMT
#662
Oh oh oh.... Let's do this!!

geript did you read any of his scumgames?
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