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Better cancel game because we already saw best drawing. | ||
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I also believe this game was pretty town favored but still not as townfavored as the previous game with Damdred and geript being in the game innocent childs. And then you don't write entire essays on why is was unbalanced. Be consequent. Like... This was nothing compared to that. But this game was something new and I prefer this over Cell mafia anyday. It for sure has some balance issues but the idea was pretty fun and it was incredible to be able to be a judge. Great experience!!! I will for sure join another one of these and theorycraft about the balance then. I think the concept is great, and you can change a lot, or a little bit and both would work. I'll try to write something down to recap the judges mindset next. | ||
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ofcourse you could have killed HF N1 anyway but it was a gamble that you lost. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:09 geript wrote: I thin a mason pair in a mini is far, far more balanced than this setup. 9/10ths of the time in this setup mafia has to leave the towniest guy alive all game while he gets useful roles. If scum Town confirm 1 person, the game becomes almost impossible with this person. The setup completely takes away any strength mafia has to control a game. In a normal setup, I can bus Rayn D1 with his play and go to town using my influence to protect the third mafia player. The mason setup looked OP, but the mafia team was basically MIA and let Town do its thing. haha. Please geript. You can have your opinion but it is wrong. If we ever meet up we can talk about this for 4 hours. There is no way I am wrong about this. 14 players. 2 confirmed town. 1 parity cop. So 4 misslynches in a pool of 11 before you lose. It's like judges that can actually interact with the thread and you are not limited by any shenanigans, making EoD way harder for scum. And we as judges played way way way way better than you guys did in that previous game btw. And we as mafia did a pretty decent job as well. I still don't understand the modconfirmed shit with rayn but HF dropped the ball so fucking hard on the D1 lynch. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:22 geript wrote: I forgot about parity Cop which was stupidly OP with masons. Masons in a mini is Town favored, but not >65% imo (which is pretty Town favored). Even with the parity Cop, I think it's like 75-80% Town favored. Don't get me wrong, the last game was Town favored, but I don't think it's as much as this setup is. I agree this game was batshit hard for mafia again btw. and with batshit insane games the rolls are so swingy. Like last game having lower activity but good players Damdred/Geript as conf town and then rayn and hf (I think) bossing it up in the thread was pretty fucking insane as well. It was a tandem with reads you couldn't dismiss because they were conf town, and then a tandem of 2 hyper active vets who were controlling the game like crazy and were super activily trying to solve the game. And the cop was rolled on a guy who would never die before night 6 and he knew it... | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Koshi, the problem is here is no medic dodge. If you medic dodge in a normal game (correctly), you can shoot the person the next night. Here it's impossible, also there is the fact that if you happen to shoot someone who actually took the vest you will NEVER EVER be able to get rid of the mod confirmed town, unlike in a normal game. you should have always nominated Holyflare and ritoky for D3, that's where you made a mistake. Even if you think they can be mafia you should have always nominated them on D3 for the prize. That's a fact. We should have nominated ritoky I agree. I didn't read a single post that day (and from the lynch before that, I didn't even know who was lynched) because I was with gf and I saw no other judge had a list. So I just remembered superbia saying "We need to look at HF" after the lynch, and removed him from the pool, I didn't think of ritoky, and then just wrote down my townreads. geript kinda never was a real townread for me, I mean one with reaoning. He just popped up there because he played so good. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not really sure what you're trying to say? That last game was imbalanced because town was too good? That's not how balance works, well playing team beats the less well playing. That has nothing to do with if the game is balanced or not. No. I mean that in favored games like this the battering looks even worse if the correct people get the correct roles. I can see this game be more "balanced" with other people on the blues. You guys played very well D2 and the thread and the judges were bamboozled. But due to some skill (Vivax and then Superbia) bossed it up and we hit the perfect scumteam. I think that it could have went different if for example we had somebody who actually scumread CC or TW on the judges. But we never did. | ||
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Then it is business as usual and the imba setup doesn't look imba at all. (also we needed a framer that game) | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:35 Holyflare wrote: What's there not to understand? Rayn got called mafia and when people were piling on he got angry and said he's replacing out. Then he said "the mods won't let me replace." When I see that I don't believe a mafia rayn would replace out for being called mafia. But apparently it was more than that. Still shouldn't ever talk about mod actions and not being able to be replaced though. Ok now I understand. I just never read that. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:37 Superbia wrote: Shoutout to my fellow judges for being awesome. No you sir! | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:43 Holyflare wrote: The elongated day 1 was annoying. Remove that and have a normal day 1 and mafia don't need to start with a rb cos they can shoot whoever they want. smart | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:45 disformation wrote: do i count as having played in the game? :D Yes. You have another mafia loss on your record. | ||
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On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote: duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash  Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM | ||
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On August 22 2017 22:07 rsoultin wrote: mm, with the amount of no votes (yes this may be premature) I'm not feeling another attempt at the game was batting around the idea in my head of a regular-length D1 keep the judges but they alternate...D1 pick lynch pool, D2 pick power-up pool (so D1 players give power-up to whoever without restrictions, D2 players lynch whoever without restrictions) nights the judges can post in thread so they can be influenced etc. person can't get a power-up consecutive days problem is, i hear you on the rb for scum. i'm just not sure how to give scum an advantage when they win the power-up, and there really should be one. it definitely shouldn't hurt mafia to get it. we thought people would just use the roleblock to kill the guy with the power-up...technically that could confirm someone who won before was mafia, but there's also no guarantee of that. just because someone claims vest in thread and dies doesn't mean they actually took vest, you know? i'd never assume that playing from a town slot. but it doesn't matter if most town does and that happens to be true, because then they can narrow down a scum on faulty logic lol >< i guess i'm wondering how we could make that work for scum...random thought was recruitment to switch someone's alignment but i'm not sure i really like that either and ultimately it doesn't seem like people want to play a game where judges have so much control...or any. even these suggestions wouldn't eliminate judge power, just reduce it lex mentioned removing judges entirely, which is fine, but then it's not really this type of game anymore and that was the experiment he also mentioned removing power-ups. but then it would be an all-vanilla game with judges? especially if we're reducing the lynches they can narrow, might as well just do an all-vanilla game at that point maybe it's just better to call it a failed experiment and move on lol >< The idea was fresh and I think it could be used in a themed game for a cycle or something. It's a fun mechanic. It even could be a stand alone game with some extra tweaks. | ||
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Especially with so many townies hard scumreading each other. | ||
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-Holyflare -Jealous -Copcake All 3 names were picked for activity and not making any triggering posts. Jealous had the bonus of his drawings. CC had that town paranoia around her which she also showed last game. I think only geript came close to making this list but he didn't have anything special about him. His content was ok, but it was perceived more NAI than the 3 names here. D1 lynch: - rayn - Hopeless - Fecalfeast rayn was pretty much confirmed mafia in our eyes. Like we didn't even spend much time discussing him because it was so obvious. We picked Hopeless and FF because they both called each other mafia and we guessed it was MvT. Superbia thought fefe looked bad, I thought Hopeless looked bad. Looking at filterlenght I saw Hopeless had like a 6 page filter by then and Fefe had only a 2-3 page filter. So I was fine with those 2 extra names. The only 2 other names we were considering were conversion and TW. But Superbia disliked the first, and I disliked the second. D2 power up: -Holyflare -Copcake -geript The reads on HF and CC didn't change because they did nothing to change our reads. Vivax came out of his slumber and asked us to take geript in the list. Otherwise it would have been Damdred. I can't speak for the other judges, but even though I would have never voted geript as a mafia, I also never personally elect him for a power-up. He played really well, had some great moments, but yeah... D2 lynch: -Rels -Jealous -Ritoky We kinda dropped the ball here. We started off with Onegu/Rels/rayn/Eversince sheeping Damdred his list but we ended up with these 3 names. Rels looked too much like burned out scum. Jealous completely fell off and the idea that he was mafia painting pictures and hiding looked believable. And ritoky just played weird with him picking fights with the judges and CC. These 3 names were following thread sentiment a bit too much except for our personal love towards TW and CC. I think mafia played a great N1/D2 and town was completely off track here. D3 power up: - CC - Conversion - Geript During the night I had no time to play. And apparently the other judges neither had time. I didn't even read the previous lynch when I wrote these 3 names down. Or knew who was lynched. The reason why I didn't add HF is because he protected rayn D1 and I didn't like that, and that there was no scumlynch D2. And because Superbia said we had to re-evaluate HF but because I didn't read the thread I couldn't. Conversion made the list because of a bunch of posts I agreed with. D3 lynch: Basically Vivax who slept in till now woke up with a gigantic morning wood and slapped it in the face of the 3 scummers. Both Superbia and I were like "oh shit, I don't hate this list at all" and ran with it. Well, what did it for me was reading Vivax his 3 names, and then opening the thread and seeing another long shitpost from rayn and under that post seeing him vote for geript. And in my head I had something like "MOTHERFUCKER they are indeed both mafia". So after that we discussed other possibilities instead of disformation but like I said, we kinda felt this was a good team to suggest. ggwp my fellow judges. Kinda loads of fun to do this. This was like the low filter game I always wanted to play. Thx hosts for hosting. I think this was a good attempt at a new setup. Mafia got fucked a bit but that happens. I know exactly how it feels so I don't blame them for being mad about it. I would be super mega forever pissed if I rolled mafia again. Anyway. Thx for the game. | ||
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Here are some quotes but between the quotes there are more good townreads and posts that explains his thought pattern. The only thing I never understood was his rayn townread. Like.. I never saw the explanation. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2017 00:42 Tumblewood wrote: highly town town conv jealous weak town ff cake null far too many people weak scum damdred geript hf scum if asked i will explain reasons in 45 minutes ish On August 15 2017 02:43 Tumblewood wrote: u were supposed to ask but whatever. conv is town for reasons already described in my filter. jealous is town because it matches his play in the one newbie game where we got a bunch of new players. (in that one i checked his town and scum meta. as scum he was almost conspiratorial and as town he was highly concerned with being Logical (TM), and he is pretty Logical this game) cake is weak town because i think feeling shut down by someone is a more townie sentiment. for scum being shut down doesn't matter as long as they aren't being lynched. fefe is weak town for requesting not to get a powerup. i just don't think mafia are thinking of that sort of thing half the game is null because half the game is afk and makes me sad damdred is weak scum because his posts are highly noncommittal and far too long for saying next to nothing concretely. hf is weak scum for driving weak reasons into the ground. normally this would be fully scum but driving reasons into the ground is hf's specialty already. geript is weak scum because, before the rest of the thread jumped on my ass, i got the impression he was looking for an excuse to attack me. On August 15 2017 01:26 Tumblewood wrote: i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack. ta da On August 16 2017 05:15 Tumblewood wrote: i think cake is the lockedest locked town and here is why: + Show Spoiler [some examples] + On August 16 2017 04:21 CopCake wrote: Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth. this indignation doesn't read as anything but town On August 16 2017 00:03 CopCake wrote: You are putting words in my mouth, I never knew rayn did that (pushing HF and both were mafia together) On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote: Here He called you mafia and you were mafia together And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS. in 2 words: righteous indignation. i think it is one of the towniest responses to have to an accusation / pointed question and cake's filter has it in spades. i think u should vote her because, among lowish-risk votes, cake is the lowest risk. jealous is fakeable because a lot of his interaction is indirect because of the paint thing. i still think he is town but it is harder to be certain with jealous. hf is also tricky to read and could definitely fake this for 1 day. i don't think cake's filter is fakeable. especially look at this: this would be the strangest thing to think of and write as scum. just no way sheep or u are mafia trying to destroy town On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list town 1der cake rit rayn conv don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels On August 18 2017 05:49 Tumblewood wrote: and now the poe is down to four and a half. in order it would probably go: all townreads combined (40% scum) + Show Spoiler + because you can never be 100% sure rels (35%) + Show Spoiler + i really like that rels considered hf bluffing the vest, because i was thinking the same thing. (and if he were mafia and believed hf chose a check, why not kill him just in case.) still gonna need some actual posting though es (45%) + Show Spoiler + small filter, hard to make heads or tails of, but at least high-effort hf (50%) + Show Spoiler + hard to read. can push me into oblivion as either alignment. jealous (60%) + Show Spoiler + most of his reads are "things to like, things to dislike... could be town or scum" geript (70%) + Show Spoiler + i call this tell, "pushing lynchbait relentlessly despite thorough defense and debunking of most of his points" On August 22 2017 06:00 Tumblewood wrote: lynching disfo this cycle is acceptable as long as we lynch geript the next. but i'm not into leaving scummy people alive just so a different person can flip at night | ||
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so good | ||
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Ohyea... How did you know??????????????????????????? | ||
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On August 23 2017 02:32 CopCake wrote: How can I have the skin of this forum that allows avatars? Maybe you clicked one of my links and saw the game from Liquiddota.com | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/f1f3e1edf67a3815a2fa8d4b52731ccb.png) Still top notch analysis. | ||
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