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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:01 GMT
#1241
I can't filter at work. Artanis plz make links open on all sites.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:08 GMT
#1242
On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote:
ok I'm awake and calm

anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts?

also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played

On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote:
but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time

HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct

You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.

I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.

So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:10 GMT
#1243
I wouldn't say I'm that good at town. Definitely mafia champ though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:10 GMT
#1244
Maybe in my prime when I cared and actually bothered to read filters.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:10 GMT
#1245
To be clear I've only read conversion's filter this game
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:12 GMT
#1246
The real kicker is I'm not even sure I'm right about your martyring.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:14 GMT
#1247
On August 16 2017 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
To be clear I've only read conversion's filter this game

Me too, I was saving to meta him later to get a better idea. For right now, the fact that he's here and seeming to try to do something when the thread is dead is a point in his favor.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:15 GMT
#1248
Still think I'm going to meta him.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
August 16 2017 12:17 GMT
#1249
On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote:
ok I'm awake and calm

anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts?

also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote:
but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time

HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct

You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.

I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.

So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.


can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:21 GMT
#1250
@Conversion. Start with this post from Hopeless and tell me what sticks out and why.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:27 GMT
#1251
On August 16 2017 21:17 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote:
On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote:
ok I'm awake and calm

anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts?

also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played

On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote:
but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time

HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct

You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.

I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.

So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.


can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning

Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:35 GMT
#1252
Towny

hf/geript



more towny than marginally towny but less than towny





Marginally towny

Conversion (might move him up even!)/jealous



Hard null

ff/Damdred (hmmmmmmmmm mindmeld??)



Marginally scummy

Ritoky/onegu/copcake/hopeless/rels



judges plzzz

Tumblewood



has to cheat to get town read and if mafia has voided the game

Rayn

AMA.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:36 GMT
#1253
I don't know how to feel about Tumblewood. Now rayn is confirmed town he's likely just mafia. Going out of his way to provide meta that didn't even fit was scummy as fuck.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:39 GMT
#1254
I'm really sure that reading into the vote counts will find mafia. I'm one of mafia's biggest threats and giving me the vest would be so bad for them. That's majorly why ritoky looks so bad. He's gone from afking with the read that copcake is mafia lean and jealous is hard null (but later said his latest read post was better) into voting copcake and saying jealous is null again.

That flip in read and timing at deadline just seemed so opportunistic.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:40 GMT
#1255
On August 16 2017 20:44 Conversion wrote:
in terms of hopeless on why he's trying too hard, his first list is what really tipped me off

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:

rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town?


like, what does this list do? he basically took the entire pool of players that aren't up for top3 and made a list that doesn't say anything aside from "yeah maybe town or maybe scum" that reeks of trying to look like someone's putting in effort while not.

especially when his next followup wasn't pushing scum, but rather saying get rid of the lurkers. in my head, the best possible action as town isn't to just say "lynch afkers," it's to find who the scummiest is on your list and pressure them to slip or keep posting until they look scummy

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier.

So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size.

Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof

well get me lynched then bro.


FF calls him out on that exact point, and his response wasn't great

like his entire filter is sort of just like weak pressure, then back off. disagrees with a bunch of people, but doesn't make any actions to move ahead with what he thinks at all. the strongest he's pushed back on someone is probably rayn or FF, and even then it's not really a line of "are you scum" questioning

shruug

The sad and funny thing here is filter size isn't actually a terrible metric for who is or isn't scum. Generally speaking, people care way more as Town and thus post more as Town and thus have longer filters as Town. I'd be surprised if people just defaulted to lynch the shortest filter more wouldn't lead to more Town wins.

Your point about weak pressure, back off, etc. isn't bad. It's something HF and I have both brought up. But you're wrong about his response to FF (and BTW a similiar response he has to HF when he questions him about his Jealous power up vote). It's a lot harder for most people to make that post of "OK what are you going to do about it" or "Yah.. and...". It's harder because most people as scum are bad actors, they want to qualify and justify everything. It's like when the Joker in The Dark Knight has gives the gun to Two-face and puts his forehead to the muzzle. It's really fucking ballsy to do as scum, but as Town because you know you have nothing to hide is much simpler.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2017 12:40 GMT
#1256
Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
August 16 2017 12:42 GMT
#1257
On August 16 2017 21:27 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2017 21:17 Conversion wrote:
On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote:
On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote:
ok I'm awake and calm

anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts?

also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played

On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote:
but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time

HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct

You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.

I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.

So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.


can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning

Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal.


I'll get to your post asking me to gauge Hopeless' posts once I get into work

on that note, I didn't post that to say i was better than HF. I think you're reading into my willingness to not piggyback off a great player as hubris, which I'm not trying to do.

Last game I believed HF was town too strongly until it was too late and we lost. I doubted him slightly, but not enough to distrust his "town" reads on some of his scummates

that's why I made that post. I don't want to blindly believe anyone like I did with HF, because HF makes mistakes and recovers from them (or wins like he did in CCCP) whereas I get lost if he makes a mistake and I don't form my own opinions
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
August 16 2017 12:44 GMT
#1258
On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote:
Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember.


I'm being (probably) v. careful on how I read you bc of last game. thought you were town until it was way too late
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:44 GMT
#1259
I don't like your list very much HF
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 16 2017 12:47 GMT
#1260
On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote:
Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember.

I'm pretty sure it was "he thought you were scum and wanted to consolidate on not-HF and also was happy with you not getting the power up as town so you'd die and it'd clear up his reads"
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