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On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote: ok I'm awake and calm anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts? also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote: but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that. I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more. So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that. | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:10 Holyflare wrote: To be clear I've only read conversion's filter this game Me too, I was saving to meta him later to get a better idea. For right now, the fact that he's here and seeming to try to do something when the thread is dead is a point in his favor. | ||
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Conversion
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On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote: You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that. I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more. So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that. can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:17 Conversion wrote: can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal. | ||
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Holyflare
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hf/geript more towny than marginally towny but less than towny Marginally towny Conversion (might move him up even!)/jealous Hard null ff/Damdred (hmmmmmmmmm mindmeld??) Marginally scummy Ritoky/onegu/copcake/hopeless/rels judges plzzz Tumblewood has to cheat to get town read and if mafia has voided the game Rayn AMA. | ||
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That flip in read and timing at deadline just seemed so opportunistic. | ||
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On August 16 2017 20:44 Conversion wrote: in terms of hopeless on why he's trying too hard, his first list is what really tipped me off like, what does this list do? he basically took the entire pool of players that aren't up for top3 and made a list that doesn't say anything aside from "yeah maybe town or maybe scum" that reeks of trying to look like someone's putting in effort while not. especially when his next followup wasn't pushing scum, but rather saying get rid of the lurkers. in my head, the best possible action as town isn't to just say "lynch afkers," it's to find who the scummiest is on your list and pressure them to slip or keep posting until they look scummy FF calls him out on that exact point, and his response wasn't great like his entire filter is sort of just like weak pressure, then back off. disagrees with a bunch of people, but doesn't make any actions to move ahead with what he thinks at all. the strongest he's pushed back on someone is probably rayn or FF, and even then it's not really a line of "are you scum" questioning shruug The sad and funny thing here is filter size isn't actually a terrible metric for who is or isn't scum. Generally speaking, people care way more as Town and thus post more as Town and thus have longer filters as Town. I'd be surprised if people just defaulted to lynch the shortest filter more wouldn't lead to more Town wins. Your point about weak pressure, back off, etc. isn't bad. It's something HF and I have both brought up. But you're wrong about his response to FF (and BTW a similiar response he has to HF when he questions him about his Jealous power up vote). It's a lot harder for most people to make that post of "OK what are you going to do about it" or "Yah.. and...". It's harder because most people as scum are bad actors, they want to qualify and justify everything. It's like when the Joker in The Dark Knight has gives the gun to Two-face and puts his forehead to the muzzle. It's really fucking ballsy to do as scum, but as Town because you know you have nothing to hide is much simpler. | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:27 geript wrote: Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal. I'll get to your post asking me to gauge Hopeless' posts once I get into work on that note, I didn't post that to say i was better than HF. I think you're reading into my willingness to not piggyback off a great player as hubris, which I'm not trying to do. Last game I believed HF was town too strongly until it was too late and we lost. I doubted him slightly, but not enough to distrust his "town" reads on some of his scummates that's why I made that post. I don't want to blindly believe anyone like I did with HF, because HF makes mistakes and recovers from them (or wins like he did in CCCP) whereas I get lost if he makes a mistake and I don't form my own opinions | ||
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Conversion
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On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote: Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember. I'm being (probably) v. careful on how I read you bc of last game. thought you were town until it was way too late | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote: Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember. I'm pretty sure it was "he thought you were scum and wanted to consolidate on not-HF and also was happy with you not getting the power up as town so you'd die and it'd clear up his reads" | ||
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