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ritoky
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Fecalfeast
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:10 ritoky wrote: And holyflare joins the scummy pile. This just confirms the read baby! You're never this bad at reading me. | ||
Holyflare
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ritoky
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ritoky
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CopCake
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On August 16 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote: So it's conversion and not hopeless? And it's one person not many. And it's not a scum read, it's a hypothetical. I don't think conversion scum reads rayn at that point? So why is it a forest of wolves and why did you feel the need to tell people to lynch you or whatever? What have you done other than say rayn is actually afk? Where are the scum reads/town reads? I've said rels is actually afk irl (steam) but I've actually got reads too. Soooooooo where are yours? Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth. | ||
ritoky
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To that end I think rayn's reads are pretty fine. | ||
CopCake
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Holyflare
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On August 16 2017 04:21 CopCake wrote: Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth. I don't have a problem? I asked you what you did today and apparently it was just say that rayn was legit afk and that you got called scummy. You said you did good things that looked scummy but I don't see any of the good things. What are your reads and why? | ||
ritoky
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geript
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HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?" Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would. Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad. Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good. @HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC. Still looking. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:28 ritoky wrote: I think your read on rayn is mostly garbo about non sequitur and unmet expectations and the method you're choosing to push it is also unconvincing garbo about making the player look dumb/contradicting themselves rather than categorizing the play as scum indicative. Where's your bullet point list that you spam on repeat 80 times making sure no one ever forgets these points that make you infallible and him always mafia? To that end I think rayn's reads are pretty fine. I can't be bothered to do that when 90% of the game is on board with it. This game mode is also semi garbage because I can't make a case to get people to vote someone when I don't even know who is going to be up for lynch. | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote: I can't be bothered to do that when 90% of the game is on board with it. This game mode is also semi garbage because I can't make a case to get people to vote someone when I don't even know who is going to be up for lynch. I agree with the 2nd part, I feel like my wings are clipped because even if I felt super compelled to lynch someone I have to convince koshi to allow me to, which ain't happening. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
goodluck, try to make Damdred be town. | ||
CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 15 2017 22:11 Holyflare wrote: Not at all. Doesn't mean she couldn't be mafia though just not for this reason. This is were he knows that someone called me mafia for that | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:31 geript wrote: On iPad, so it's hard to properly snip quotes from Ryan's big post. A few things: HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?" Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would. Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad. Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good. @HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC. Still looking. Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him? | ||
ritoky
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Conversion
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On August 16 2017 04:29 CopCake wrote: i dont like HF he said that I couldnt be mafia just because I asked for time for rayn then he asks me why I feel like a sheep walking with wolves and asked me for quotes, a quote he knows it exists because he quoted himself but apparently I am mafia because one person said that I was for said quote and not several. for the record I never scumread you for that what is it with both you and rayn taking my words way out of line and thinking I'm attacking you? the question wasn't even addressed to you, nor was I saying copcake = scum for defending rayn. it was a question of logic that HF quickly dismissed (cop can be scum, but not for the reason you pointed out) | ||
geript
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On August 16 2017 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him? Actually NM, I'm reading your posts on ritoky wrong. | ||
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