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On August 15 2017 22:16 Conversion wrote:
meanwhile not a single post from Rels and apparently this is OK town behavior b/c that's his meta
yet hopeless rants on and on about inactives, filter length being an indicator for his scum reads, etc.
I'll take notes for next time mr. french man
Rels was mafia with HF last game. Would be odd if both of them are mafia again
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HF is way toooooo agressive, I dont remember this.
I am town and I am scared. His posts seem like if he was screaming and angry.
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Confused Damdred is strange, Rayn calling out HF is interesting but I expected a hard push if he is sure
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On August 15 2017 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 22:05 Holyflare wrote:
I'm about 60% sure I'm getting a gun and I will shoot rayn ot conversion at this point in time. I wouldnt shoot rayn. We can lynch him, or he can play the game. I know filter length isnt a good metric, but when its mine compared to rayn's I question whether this is real life.
I literally don't care. I will shoot rayn 9/10 times for this attitude he's giving.
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It starts with, one thing...
Let's go back to this post:
On August 14 2017 23:00 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody else is here. I haven't twisted a single word you have said at all.
Why is Tumblewood's lack of conclusion on cake bad when you have no conclusion on cake yourself?
I mean it's hilarious to get annoyed at someone trying to play mafia and determine other people's alignments. Why bother playing if answering basic questions antagonises you this much?
Basic mafia post. Actually Tumblewood explained it quite well after that himself. Even Tumblewood (no offense here, i am saying even you because you were the one who made the pot in the first place, i don't think you are stupid or anything) can understand in this case that this is a game where we are not all like bricks who should be treated the same. I felt like Tumblewoods starting point at the conversation with Cake was that he is calling Cake out (because the post looked like it). That's why i disagree with the conclusion, because Tumblewood isn't me, Tumblewood necessarily doesn't have the same starting point i do in the argument where Cake calls me mafia. If i know/think that doesn't make her mafia, it doesn't mean Tumblewood should know that, especially since his post imo CLEARLY indicated there was something he was curious about. Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters.
That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare.
Two things, it doesn't even matter how hard you try....
After this Tumblewood completely explain his thought process and his read on me, and where he comes from. Tumblewood here, is 100% fucking right in EVERYTHING he says. I liked this post, i really really did:
On August 15 2017 00:19 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 00:14 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote:On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk?
TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post. maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time. and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town? I mean you write it yourself. I even quote in this game a post of Rayn's 3 games ago WHERE HE MAKES THE SAME EXACT POST AND WAS MAFIA. Loooooool. If you can find where he does this as town instead of just instantly posting his reads go ahead and prove me wrong. yo this reminds me that in rayn's last scum game he also typed /in, juat like he did this game. crazy coincidence
This is the best fucking post in the game since it correctly represents how Holyflare is playing this game. Well anyways, after the discussion about TW's read on me, Holyflare comes to a conclusion that Tumblewood might have TMI, and makes thise posts:
On August 15 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm getting a read on tw. If he's mafia rayn is town.
On August 15 2017 02:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 02:05 geript wrote:On August 15 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm getting a read on tw. If he's mafia rayn is town. Why can't they both share an alignment? Because tw is defending rayn and even digging to get meta to try and prove me wrong. If tw is mafia then this only comes from the perspective that he knows rayn is town and so theoretically it's simple to find games where he's done this before. Coupled with the fact he's doing all of this but his actual read on rayn is "null" at best it's dodgy as fuck to be doing unless he has the standpoint of him being right and me wrong (yes, tmi). Then you look at the actual quotes he linked me and they're trash and don't align with what he's saying at all but he thinks they do. It's like he briefly skimmed a game for the point to prove himself right (because of the tmi on rayn) and then posted them because it vaguely said what he was getting at. Basically lynch all Tumblewoods.
Two things completely wrong here. First totally incorrect thing is this:
Holyflare's original argument on me was (that i was calling Tumblewood mafia without actually calling him mafia). Is there any other player in the game that thinks i do that (except for my scumbuddies)? ANYONE? Let's go then and come up with quotes from were i do that, because i don't. If i want to call someone mafia, i don't make up reasons, i don't have to, because i plan my cases and base them on people's actual fuck-ups or their supre weak shit. If i wanted to call Tumblewood mafia, i would have done so, and people should know that. Except that i didn't know if it makes him mafia or not, so i didn't. So, there are two reasons why Holyflare should think Tumblewood is mafia here;
1) If i am mafia with Tumblewood, that would actually make sense i am "calling him mafia without calling him mafia". But Holyflare doesn't come to this conclsuion
2) If i am town and Tumblewood is mafia. Now this point is neglected by the fact that if he believes (see above) that Tumblewood ACTUALLY is mafia, he should not think i am mafia (as per his own words - see the quotes above), and he doesn't. More onto this, i can still understand he thinks we both are "individually scummy", but the fact that he is already in the mindset that we cannot be mafia together and he has earlier said this:
Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already.
How i understand this, is that Holyflare wants judges to nominate three mafia. there is nothing wrong in that. Now Holyflare, at this point (well a bit before) wanted to nominate Tumblewood/rayn/whatever. He already has his read on Tumblewood, he wants to nominate 3 mafia, he doesn't think we are both mafia. Why does he want to nominate both of us? Why doesn't he do anything to find the mafia which is not one of me/tumble? HE LITERALLY DOES NOTHING. I mean like, then there is Conversion (idk why) and Damdred is "marginally scummy" but he has not read Damdred's filter. So everyone, ask yourselves, if you were Holyflare and your "game philosophy" is this:
Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already.
Does it mean you want the judges to nominate 3 mafia? Because in my opinion it does.
Why isn't Holyflare mr7pagesoffilter guy interested AT ALL into Damdred's, or anyone else's alignment? (Now that isn't certainly true and i know it but see the next point).
Then he comes up with that we should lynch Conversion. Alright, this post even is okay:
On August 15 2017 18:37 Holyflare wrote:
I read his (Conversion) filter. Classic mafia filter. He tries to snipe little points that just seem extremely odd to snipe. I mean they're ok questions when you are hounding a person and want a follow up but these are all one off questions that lead nowhere, have no context and don't help him figure something out. Then he piggybacks off of fecal's hopeless posts to say absolutely nothing new. It's just an odd filter. Definitely should be lynch tomorrow.
The kicker however is here. Later on he presents a random inactive guy for the third lynch target (Onegu), basically he has to do that since i am already calling Conversion mafia, and with the obvious:
My 3 would be onegu/conversion/tw since if those two display town rainbows we can always default to onegu. Maybe switch with rels so he has passion. Conversion is extremely likely mafia though.
Smells like BS, I wouldn't put it past HF's scumplay to jsut bank on that Conversion makes more "townie" posts (well... posts at least) than Onegu does.Could easily be "dont worry i am just calling you scum now so i look good so make some posts, onegu probably won't and you're okay". It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Three things, keep that in mind....
The read change on ritoky:
Look at what Holyflare says now:
On August 15 2017 00:02 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky moves up for being a prophet and static tw just destroys instead of builds. Welcome to the three nominated townies ritoky.
On August 15 2017 18:31 Holyflare wrote:
But hf why is ritoky null?
Quite simple actually. I feel like he made a good point on Tumblewood but now that Tumblewood has displayed that point tenfold in the game ritoky doesn't burn with any passion to pursue it. He's meek. Then there's the copcake shenanigans with copcake forgetting her scum reads and ritoky receiving the brunt of it and it's all meh. He even made a post about the lack of passion which I find intriguing because a mafia ritoky is constantly paranoid with how he looks to other people and this strikes me as one of those times.
He also hasn't town read me. A failure that town ritoky should be ashamed of.
This is exactly why ritoky is town. This is exactly why i read him town (i don't need a "lack of passion" post to fucking realize this). Except that the green bolded part is why Holyflare read him mafia in the first place. Here:
On August 14 2017 23:15 Holyflare wrote:
My read is that he's got a chip on his shoulder, he's not particularly contributing. But my read was before his read post which wasn't awful but still achieved nothing. He should really be a scummy null above rayn and damd.
Well done, now ritoky is town for basically the same reason he was scummy before. Let it be said that ritoky's "constant paranoia with how he looks to other people as mafia NEVER EVER starts mid game", never.
There we go, i could have said at least half of this before "D1 started" but i didn't care (and i was asleep), i am basically following geript's plan because i can't really find a way to follow mine. 
geript and Damdred, get your heads out of your asses if you're town. Well i am pretty sure geript is but unfortunately he won't listen to me most likely, that's what he does. Aside from all this can't you even fucking see HF has already decided what he says about ANY single answer a person can give towards his (scum)read on them? Why should i fucking bother even answering him when after him making a post he tells me "whatever you say you're mafia anyways". Like come on, especially you two, you know it makes me not wanna deal with anything he says, and you know he knows that too so he can find more reasons to call me mafia because "rayn is not playing properly".
Go find the truth out there.
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He's had plentyyyyy of time. His only read he's given is a list and that jealous post. Look how quickly i posted to try and interact with rayn between his posts to say he misread it. Look at the total avoidance to any discussion or admitting he's wrong?
This guy needs to die.
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On August 15 2017 21:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion i am curious; why did you decide to "call me out" for making a read based on only couple of posts, and not anyone else who have done the same thing?
bc the only people who gave lists so far that I bothered paying attention to are you and hopeless that's all
What was the list Hopeless gave?
Why weren't you interested in let's say Cake's read on me that i am mafia based on 2 posts?
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HE LITERALLY DOES NOTHING.
Fuck right off. Mafia. 100x over mafia. I've tried to talk to you about a million. Scratch that. A billion trillion times and have had no answer whatsoever.
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I can't read pictures, that Jealous guy should start posting.
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On August 15 2017 22:30 Holyflare wrote:Fuck right off. Mafia. 100x over mafia. I've tried to talk to you about a million. Scratch that. A billion trillion times and have had no answer whatsoever.
I don't negotiate with terrorists.
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Ritoky isn't town? I have never called him town once this game.
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On August 15 2017 22:32 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky isn't town? I have never called him town once this game.
Oh, then i misread your post and you just called ritoky not town for what he is town for.
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Like your post is complete and utter shit. You complain about narratives and make a narrative.
My ritoky read progression is:
Ritoky looks angry and not playing the game => call ritoky mafia => ritoky makes ok post about tw but I don't see it => tw starts doing more of what ritoky says/ritoky looks better => ritoky doesn't push it => ritoky mentions lack of passion (hasn't had passion all game imo) => ritoky looks worse.
That's quite a simple progression. Nothing like your narrative suggests.
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Like there are literally zero instances in this game where ritoky is "constantly paranoid with how he looks to other people".
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ritoky has way more "passion" in a sense of how he wants to look as mafia than he has as town. In this game he hasn't cared about how he looks. That's why i always read him wrong.
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On August 15 2017 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like there are literally zero instances in this game where ritoky is "constantly paranoid with how he looks to other people".
Constantly paranoid... In the mafia qt.... About how he looks. That doesn't translate to you very well. I don't expect anyone to acknowledge it's correct. It's what I think. I've seen glimmers of ritoky but 50% of his filter is talking about people that mechanic talked and 30% about his work and 10-20 content or less.
I don't care if you like it or not. My thought progression on him is above. That's why he's at a big fat null right now. It's not a narrative it's an "i thought he looked good but he didn't follow through and made a paranoid looking post and didn't town read me like he always does" read.
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🤔 I was reading HF's filter (Just the first page) and reading your post and he said that the game is broken for town or too in favour for town. I would have posted that if I was you.
I didnt get to the "judges should nominate scummy people" I dont get it? He wants judges to give mafia bullets or vests or he wants judges to limit us to 3 suspects to lynch?
That is bullshit, someone said that the Judges we got this phase afk and etc and is so bullshit to nominate 3 mafia and then if mafia wins all town will blame the judges and not themselves for being bad at scumhunting.
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On August 15 2017 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 21:34 Conversion wrote:On August 15 2017 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion i am curious; why did you decide to "call me out" for making a read based on only couple of posts, and not anyone else who have done the same thing?
bc the only people who gave lists so far that I bothered paying attention to are you and hopeless that's all What was the list Hopeless gave? Why weren't you interested in let's say Cake's read on me that i am mafia based on 2 posts?
On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:
rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town?
hopeless caught my eye bc he was spamming the thread and I didn't like his posts
copcake's posts were irrelevant to me b/c I reserved the right to not make any judgment on you until you actually played the game
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And do you know why I present the third random guy as an inactive guy?
BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MODKILLS FOR INACTIVITY
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