[T] MS Paint-Off Mafia - Page 2

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 22 2017 13:28 GMT

#3559

On August 22 2017 22:07 rsoultin wrote:
mm, with the amount of no votes (yes this may be premature) I'm not feeling another attempt at the game

was batting around the idea in my head of a regular-length D1

keep the judges but they alternate...D1 pick lynch pool, D2 pick power-up pool (so D1 players give power-up to whoever without restrictions, D2 players lynch whoever without restrictions)

nights the judges can post in thread so they can be influenced etc.

person can't get a power-up consecutive days

problem is, i hear you on the rb for scum. i'm just not sure how to give scum an advantage when they win the power-up, and there really should be one. it definitely shouldn't hurt mafia to get it. we thought people would just use the roleblock to kill the guy with the power-up...technically that could confirm someone who won before was mafia, but there's also no guarantee of that. just because someone claims vest in thread and dies doesn't mean they actually took vest, you know? i'd never assume that playing from a town slot. but it doesn't matter if most town does and that happens to be true, because then they can narrow down a scum on faulty logic lol ><

i guess i'm wondering how we could make that work for scum...random thought was recruitment to switch someone's alignment but i'm not sure i really like that either

and ultimately it doesn't seem like people want to play a game where judges have so much control...or any. even these suggestions wouldn't eliminate judge power, just reduce it

lex mentioned removing judges entirely, which is fine, but then it's not really this type of game anymore and that was the experiment

he also mentioned removing power-ups. but then it would be an all-vanilla game with judges? especially if we're reducing the lynches they can narrow, might as well just do an all-vanilla game at that point

maybe it's just better to call it a failed experiment and move on lol ><

The idea was fresh and I think it could be used in a themed game for a cycle or something. It's a fun mechanic. It even could be a stand alone game with some extra tweaks.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 22 2017 13:47 GMT

#3570

Yeah I think mafia should maybe have played it through. If they push 1 ml after this they get a free ml on TW. I think either Hopeless or Jealous would have entered the pool after this.

Especially with so many townies hard scumreading each other.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 22 2017 14:04 GMT

#3577

Jealous best drawings 2017 btw. I am going to make a compilation and add them to the best of 2017 thread.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 22 2017 14:32 GMT

#3588

D1 power up:
-Holyflare
-Jealous
-Copcake

All 3 names were picked for activity and not making any triggering posts. Jealous had the bonus of his drawings. CC had that town paranoia around her which she also showed last game. I think only geript came close to making this list but he didn't have anything special about him. His content was ok, but it was perceived more NAI than the 3 names here.

D1 lynch:
- rayn
- Hopeless
- Fecalfeast

rayn was pretty much confirmed mafia in our eyes. Like we didn't even spend much time discussing him because it was so obvious. We picked Hopeless and FF because they both called each other mafia and we guessed it was MvT. Superbia thought fefe looked bad, I thought Hopeless looked bad. Looking at filterlenght I saw Hopeless had like a 6 page filter by then and Fefe had only a 2-3 page filter. So I was fine with those 2 extra names.
The only 2 other names we were considering were conversion and TW. But Superbia disliked the first, and I disliked the second.

D2 power up:
-Holyflare
-Copcake
-geript

The reads on HF and CC didn't change because they did nothing to change our reads. Vivax came out of his slumber and asked us to take geript in the list. Otherwise it would have been Damdred. I can't speak for the other judges, but even though I would have never voted geript as a mafia, I also never personally elect him for a power-up. He played really well, had some great moments, but yeah...

D2 lynch:
-Rels
-Jealous
-Ritoky

We kinda dropped the ball here. We started off with Onegu/Rels/rayn/Eversince sheeping Damdred his list but we ended up with these 3 names. Rels looked too much like burned out scum. Jealous completely fell off and the idea that he was mafia painting pictures and hiding looked believable. And ritoky just played weird with him picking fights with the judges and CC. These 3 names were following thread sentiment a bit too much except for our personal love towards TW and CC. I think mafia played a great N1/D2 and town was completely off track here.

D3 power up:
- CC
- Conversion
- Geript

During the night I had no time to play. And apparently the other judges neither had time. I didn't even read the previous lynch when I wrote these 3 names down. Or knew who was lynched. The reason why I didn't add HF is because he protected rayn D1 and I didn't like that, and that there was no scumlynch D2. And because Superbia said we had to re-evaluate HF but because I didn't read the thread I couldn't. Conversion made the list because of a bunch of posts I agreed with.

D3 lynch:
Basically Vivax who slept in till now woke up with a gigantic morning wood and slapped it in the face of the 3 scummers. Both Superbia and I were like "oh shit, I don't hate this list at all" and ran with it. Well, what did it for me was reading Vivax his 3 names, and then opening the thread and seeing another long shitpost from rayn and under that post seeing him vote for geript. And in my head I had something like "MOTHERFUCKER they are indeed both mafia". So after that we discussed other possibilities instead of disformation but like I said, we kinda felt this was a good team to suggest.

ggwp my fellow judges. Kinda loads of fun to do this. This was like the low filter game I always wanted to play.

Thx hosts for hosting. I think this was a good attempt at a new setup. Mafia got fucked a bit but that happens. I know exactly how it feels so I don't blame them for being mad about it. I would be super mega forever pissed if I rolled mafia again. Anyway. Thx for the game.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

August 22 2017 14:49 GMT

#3590

Also shout-out to TW for playing a really good game. I don't really understand why so many people scumread him this game. But if you read his filter now you know the mafia team it really looked good. And I always had that feeling this game. That he was solving the game on his own and that he wasn't too far off potentially.

Here are some quotes but between the quotes there are more good townreads and posts that explains his thought pattern. The only thing I never understood was his rayn townread. Like.. I never saw the explanation.

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On August 15 2017 00:42 Tumblewood wrote:
highly town

town
conv
jealous

weak town
ff
cake

null
far too many people

weak scum
damdred
geript
hf

scum

if asked i will explain reasons in 45 minutes ish

On August 15 2017 02:43 Tumblewood wrote:

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u were supposed to ask but whatever.

conv is town for reasons already described in my filter.
jealous is town because it matches his play in the one newbie game where we got a bunch of new players. (in that one i checked his town and scum meta. as scum he was almost conspiratorial and as town he was highly concerned with being Logical (TM), and he is pretty Logical this game)

cake is weak town because i think feeling shut down by someone is a more townie sentiment. for scum being shut down doesn't matter as long as they aren't being lynched.
fefe is weak town for requesting not to get a powerup. i just don't think mafia are thinking of that sort of thing

half the game is null because half the game is afk and makes me sad

damdred is weak scum because his posts are highly noncommittal and far too long for saying next to nothing concretely.

hf is weak scum for driving weak reasons into the ground. normally this would be fully scum but driving reasons into the ground is hf's specialty already.

geript is weak scum because, before the rest of the thread jumped on my ass, i got the impression he was looking for an excuse to attack me.

On August 15 2017 01:26 Tumblewood wrote:

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i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack.
ta da

On August 16 2017 05:15 Tumblewood wrote:
i think cake is the lockedest locked town and here is why:
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On August 16 2017 04:21 CopCake wrote:

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Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc

Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth.

this indignation doesn't read as anything but town

On August 16 2017 00:03 CopCake wrote:

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You are putting words in my mouth, I never knew rayn did that (pushing HF and both were mafia together)

On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote:

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Here

He called you mafia and you were mafia together

And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS.

in 2 words: righteous indignation.
i think it is one of the towniest responses to have to an accusation / pointed question and cake's filter has it in spades.
i think u should vote her because, among lowish-risk votes, cake is the lowest risk. jealous is fakeable because a lot of his interaction is indirect because of the paint thing. i still think he is town but it is harder to be certain with jealous. hf is also tricky to read and could definitely fake this for 1 day. i don't think cake's filter is fakeable. especially look at this:

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this would be the strangest thing to think of and write as scum. just no way

sheep or u are mafia trying to destroy town

On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote:
updated list

town
1der
cake
rit
rayn
conv

don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure
hf

the mafia should all be in here
jealous
geript
es
damdred
rels

On August 18 2017 05:49 Tumblewood wrote:
and now the poe is down to four and a half. in order it would probably go:

all townreads combined (40% scum) + Show Spoiler +

because you can never be 100%
sure

rels (35%) + Show Spoiler +

i really like that rels considered hf bluffing the vest, because i was thinking the same thing. (and if he were mafia and believed hf chose a check, why not kill him just in case.) still gonna need some actual posting though

es (45%) + Show Spoiler +

small filter, hard to make heads or tails of, but at least high-effort

hf (50%) + Show Spoiler +

hard to read. can push me into oblivion as either alignment.

jealous (60%) + Show Spoiler +

most of his reads are "things to like, things to dislike... could be town or scum"

geript (70%) + Show Spoiler +

i call this tell, "pushing lynchbait relentlessly despite thorough defense and debunking of most of his points"

On August 22 2017 06:00 Tumblewood wrote:
lynching disfo this cycle is acceptable as long as we lynch geript the next. but i'm not into leaving scummy people alive just so a different person can flip at night