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On August 22 2017 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
All right, day 1 is a normal day with no power ups. We get to lynch who we want and then at night mafia gets to kill who they want. That gives town some vca and mafia a chance to shut down one top town guy. From there you play it like the rest of this game.
No vig though.
If mafia win they should be allowed to see the judge's choices and change one name.
Give mafia that change-name ability to use on D1 or D2 OR they can have a vest-penetrating shot. I think'd work well for gauging whether they can get a strong townie lynched or if they just shoot them in the face.
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I detested the judges for not giving me what I wanted and now I feel so bad about it
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On August 22 2017 21:31 Damdred wrote:
People can say I was a bad kill weird kill.
But literally I called the whole scum team with decent reasoning (but btw eversince gave you guys away) in in a qt! I would of been town hero with another day alive.
holy shit damdred is new town god.
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I think I have a way to read rayn now at least. Get into shouting matches and challenge him to death.
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On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash  Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM
I cant say I blame you, I played like scum this game since TW never went up for lynch.
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On August 22 2017 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think I have a way to read rayn now at least. Get into shouting matches and challenge him to death. You will never be able to use that though.
 I know rayn, I was trying to make a funny.
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On August 22 2017 22:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:25 Conversion wrote:let me first say: I am sorry rayn for raging at you. I haven't been great personally and I took that out on you calling everyone shit, and pushed it too far. On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM oh I'm not taking it personally!! I think I have a lot to improve on (especially with my raging this game). I think I was just frustrated because in a normal game I could read your motivation for putting people up for lynch, but since I couldn't, I was lost. I couldn't think of why (until the geript/disinfo/rayn lynch pool) the pool was what it was stuff to learn in trying to figure out the judges instead of being mad about it, right? EDIT: also thank you hosts for being patient with me even though I took it too far this game. I'll probably cool off for a bit before getting myself into a mafia game next time! Well, this is why we can't keep judges separate from the thread entirely if we try a setup like this again. Damdred's idea may just be the best one. Make everyone a player and judges pick pools for power-ups, not lynches. The judges were awesome this game. Great reads compared to their town counterparts, very active (other than Night 2 which was weekend). And players presumed they must be afk, or mafia was picking pools, because the reads didn't line up with theirs. Eh. I see no way around that presumption without interaction, and frustration on all sides, unfortunately
Judges gave us a free carry. If mafia tried to play that through I think they stood a chance. I wasnt going to lynch geript for days.
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I mostly had fun this game btw. most sad that I was wrong on my top scum (sorry TW) but also that I just spend half the game raging at people (because I thought TW was scum and didnt give two shits about anything else).
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On August 22 2017 22:35 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's kinda alarming that the only person who realized this is ritoky (idk, Conversion maybe too). Even the judges couldn't figure out this is not how townies should act. if that pool was geript/disinfo/jealous I would have 1000% pushed for a jealous lynch probably the scummiest looking townie in this entire game, for what it's worth coming from me. at least CopCake had the decency, even through a language barrier, to talk to me and answer my questions ~_~
I maintain that half of copcakes filter was paranoia towards HF. We were all thinking it, but it turned into like 10 pages worth of crapola. Just try to solve the game instead of tearing down someone else that you dont even have a scumread on.
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yes thankyou captain hindsight
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On August 23 2017 02:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Fecalfeast mvp
you bet buddy, just like me.
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I dont know how to fix the judge mechanic. Its amazing in concept but it makes the game really hard. I felt like I had no say on the outcome as town, largely because I didnt think the judges would ever trust me. Maybe thats a reflection on me: maybe I should git gud?
At any rate, I feel town needs something to give them power, whether thats a majority lynch or a innocent child, I dont know.
I also think mafia has no strength other than thread presence which is totally unfair. Give them a rb, or a vest-shot, or a vote-manipulation.
That's how I would try to balance this game, after having played it.
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On August 23 2017 02:42 Vivax wrote:
And a big thanks to the hosts for a fun setup ofc.
I think maybe judges mechanic should go like this:
Three picks for scum for town to pick from, then two picks for scum and one pick from towns, and judges have a free vig shot that has to be used before nomination 2 (cause it becomes easier to choose right as the game goes on), then they are removed from the game to slightly reduce their influence.
At least after the first nomination town already can start picking their lynch. And after the second the judges are gone.
Either way, limiting lynches to three people is very town favoured. Anyone can do dumb stuff towards EoD without repercussions as long as he isn't nominated. And mafia can't just push the weakest townies as long as they aren't in the list, so maybe the mechanic should be removed completely.
A large part of the game is the judge mechanic. If we remove it, its a normal game.
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On August 23 2017 03:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that any mechanics that limit the lynch pool end up not being fun for the rest of the players. Perhaps having the judges only have an item-like role, or have them vote for the mafia in their own QT which if accurate empowers town and if inaccurate empowers mafia in some way through roles could work.
That *sounds* great but its not a good conclusion. Yes we know the judges are town, but that doesnt mean we trust their conclusion. That last round? I think scum could have won that because we were pants on head as a town. If either of the judges or the mafia had more control that would never happen. The setup was solid, just some minor tweaks to give town more information (but much less power) so that the scumhunting can actually be focused on the gameplay, not on the mechanics.
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On August 23 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Just look at that. Nailed geript/rayn and correctly read CC/TW.
/flex
we're proud of you Will Smith (ty based god Koshi)
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On August 23 2017 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
Knowing alignments now I still would have lynched rels 10/10 times.
I woulda lynched rayn but hey thats just me.
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On August 23 2017 03:13 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:47 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I think mafia should maybe have played it through. If they push 1 ml after this they get a free ml on TW. I think either Hopeless or Jealous would have entered the pool after this.
Especially with so many townies hard scumreading each other. No. I'm 100% confirmed scum after N3 after the Vig Shot ruling. Basically Disinfo has to dodge a bunch of powerups and lynches (which he will 100% be in). TW is basically confirmed town after I flip.
You guys could have pretty easily pushed disinfo/ever/1gu's slot imo. At a minimum one more day of making us sad.
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On August 23 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
The thread announcement changed nothing to be fair.
Aside from you trying to win towncred for one of them...I asked for the judges to be separated from the game-group so filters weren't cluttered, but you dont see me using that to win tonwcred.
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On August 23 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Thing is I didn't even think copcake was that mafia-y until the tirade of calling me mafia forever just because I mislynched rels. Which is unfortunate.
If she was anywhere near comprehensive I'd have taken her seriously. Her inability to answer a question directly without telling someone to fuck off really made me want to ignore everything she posted. Even when I did the same thing it was a flat out "no", and not a tirade about how everyone hates me and would never listen. CopCake if you actually reported me to anyone, at this point you need to remember that I was town and everything I said was my genuine thought. You made the game really hard to read/play. Work on that in the future.
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On August 23 2017 05:27 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2017 04:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 23 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Thing is I didn't even think copcake was that mafia-y until the tirade of calling me mafia forever just because I mislynched rels. Which is unfortunate. If she was anywhere near comprehensive I'd have taken her seriously. Her inability to answer a question directly without telling someone to fuck off really made me want to ignore everything she posted. Even when I did the same thing it was a flat out "no", and not a tirade about how everyone hates me and would never listen. CopCake if you actually reported me to anyone, at this point you need to remember that I was town and everything I said was my genuine thought. You made the game really hard to read/play. Work on that in the future. You need to moderate yourself, I attacked HF the most and he was not near as that.
I sincerely disagree. I'm sorry if my comments crossed the line or made the game not fun for you, but I don't feel like I did anything towards you worth any disciplinary action.
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