[T] CCCP Mafia

On July 30 2017 09:49 Holyflare wrote:
and now I don't even know what I am so I guess this game is pointless

On July 30 2017 07:12 Superbia wrote:
Are we going to do some sort of passport check like in the indie game to get our alignment? :D

On July 30 2017 07:36 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting, llike if we assume mafia know they are on a team (which is a huge assumltion and likely false). We would know somewhat that rels would be town hopefully

On July 30 2017 14:46 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what is hf? this is way too much fancy and way too weird to be some random non mechanical thing but he's a player.
hf what are you?

On July 30 2017 15:13 Tumblewood wrote:

yeah but the posts he's been doing look host-created

On July 30 2017 21:10 ruXxar wrote:
This doesn't really make much sense, since right now theres no motivation to lynch anyone.
If my alignment is mafia, and it becomes known to me later, I couldve been trying to lynch my teammates without knowing...

On July 30 2017 22:05 rsoultin wrote:

Lol there's plenty of time left.

Plus the only good vote is a vote for raynpelikoneet, obviously.

Also I actually find cake's posting more eh than damdred's, for the record. Awfully nitpicky in a game where presumably everyone knows shit all. Just not sure that makes her mafia lol ><

On July 31 2017 01:05 Tumblewood wrote:

most people, if not all, do not know their own alignment yet...

On July 31 2017 02:48 rsoultin wrote:
Well, the thing is, aimlessness and joking makes all the sense in the world for people with no role/alignment. If I make the assumptions that you insist I make, Cake, what I come out with is a scumteam (assuming 3) of:

Tictock, you, Conversion

Tictock based on the assumption that Joni wouldn't be a complete dick and would put the role pm in scum qt, but TT didn't check scum qt first. He seems aware of what he should be doing now

You because you came in assuming that scum already had their alignments. Even though both Damdred and I obviously considered that possibility, neither of us went to hard scum-hunting. I know I'm just poking at people in case anything interesting comes out, but I'm not sure anyone even has their alignment yet. Not everyone's the same, but the things you pointed out were particularly nitpicky and very obviously benign from a 'we don't know shit' perspective, so you're the most suspicious.

And Conversion just because he hasn't posted. <- Obviously the weakest. (Still haven't seen anything terribly strange from everyone else who has, so -shrugs-)

So maaaaybe cake you might be better off convincing me no one knows a damn thing. I do actually feel that it's fairly town-favored for mafia to know their alignments and town not to the first 24 hours, cause that's a lot of time to slip up ^^

On July 31 2017 03:29 rsoultin wrote:


Nope, I'm saying that if mafia already know their alignment, then they could be expected to be posting with more direction than those in the thread who don't have a damn clue. Pretty simple reasoning caaaake So it's in your best interest to not convince me that mafia already knows their alignment, because you seem the most suspicious to me for 1) having a direction and 2) pushing based on weaksauce.

@Tictock - could be misremembering. I'll bother later once I figure out what, if anything, is going on here @.@

On July 31 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:

You; because you do think that but you apparently don't care about who exactly claims to not know his alignment and who doesn't do so. In your world, everyone who claims to not have a unclear alignment right now should be lynched with fire and everyone who claimed to have that alignment is confirmed town (especially the guys who were the first to claim)

But you don't really care for these people, since you didn't even bother to go back and look who claimed first (= confirmed town in your eyes).

So if you think that this is the world we're in, then you should definitely act accordingly. I think you don't act accordingly. I think you're trying to do what a town person would do but since you're scum and you do know that there's a QT with scum members in, you're tryharding to emulate a town person.

##vote CopCape

On July 31 2017 05:17 rsoultin wrote:


No, I'm asking you to provide reasons if you think we're mafia. You called him scum. You haven't said anything about me directly indicating what you think I am.

But sure, I'll explain my reasoning. Maybe others don't understand it, either. I'm not sure that mafiosos know their alignment yet, and I do find it weird that you're as sure as you portray yourself to be. In my mind you should be like me, not sure of anything.

That alone isn't enough to make you scum, of course. You're not me. People can be ridiculously attached to their unfounded assumptions. But I also find your nitpicky 'scum-hunting' to be grating. What makes Holyflare's post scummy and not a joke? (I'm still not sure if it's part of the game or not, and I got named 'passport official' lol). What makes ruxxar's post scummy when you claim to have the same role pm, where alignments and roles are unknown? Of course to him it's possible that he could be scum. Maybe town Cake thinks that way and I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

In short, you're certainly the most interesting poster in the thread right now. So assuming anyone knows something about anything (which I will allow makes more sense than 24 hours of everyone knowing jack shit, though I wouldn't put the latter past Joni), my money's on you, babe.

(Yeeeeaaahh actually going to sleep for real now lol ><)

On July 31 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:
so far lots of yelling about lynch vs no lynch, for some reason HF became the protagonist of papers please, and one person thinks I'm mafia bc I'm a dumbass and didn't check for when this game started

On July 31 2017 06:37 Conversion wrote:
I'm not scum-- how dare you insinuate that I am scum. I will smite you down with my fiery, passive internet mafia posting skillz if you call me that again.

On July 31 2017 07:18 Superbia wrote:


Yup. This is objectively the best idea.

On July 31 2017 07:23 Superbia wrote:


Ruxxar town conv mafia post24h.

I thought you/rels were p townie first 24h but who cares bout that.

On July 31 2017 07:32 Superbia wrote:
Gimme some material to work with for tomo plz :3

On July 31 2017 08:02 ruXxar wrote:


Because the game would be mad town favored if everyone who didn't get an alignment from the start were town... we'd already have multiple confirmed towns.

On July 31 2017 08:25 ruXxar wrote:


I expect a mafia to type "I am town" not "I don't know my alignment" if they got a mafia role PM.
It's a very unique thing to write, and they wouldn't catch on until a couple people wrote it already.

Your argument doesn't make any sense.

On July 31 2017 14:01 rsoultin wrote:
Ya know what, scrap this lol ><

hf/ruxxar/va/super all react to updated pms

cake/df/conv/btdt also in thread at the time don't <- conv may not matter if he's being truthful about 'not knowing' when the game started

Could be coincidental but then again...you guys can ignore the parts of my reads that come from the first 24 hours if you want, but all the probabilities at this point indicate that scum may very well have already known their alignment, however much that puts them at a disadvantage. I'm not discounting the first 24 hours -shrugs-

Though I still think I'd rather lynch Conversion right now...

Damdred, what is this secret read you're sitting on, btw?

(Yeeeeeah was gonna go to work early since Lex left early but I'm not actually sure the doors would be open at 7...that would be an unfortunate waste of time. Will be around to talk for about half an hour after all.)

On July 31 2017 14:26 rsoultin wrote:

Lol, yup. You telling me I missed something?

On July 31 2017 14:29 rsoultin wrote:

Yup means yes.

On July 31 2017 14:35 rsoultin wrote:

Noooo, I'm saying you didn't react to getting a role pm yourself. Has nothing to do with the very late poke at Superbia. Though that is interesting. You were pointing out Super claiming a role early game and not bluehunting from ruxxy? I read that wrong, then.

On July 31 2017 14:41 ruXxar wrote:


Outright lie.

On August 01 2017 00:07 ruXxar wrote:


....

You want to trust other people, who's alignment you don't know, to determine the alignment of rsoul for you?

On August 01 2017 00:21 ruXxar wrote:


Writing all that that which you did and not have an opinion on rsoul is strange.

On August 01 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:


When you analyze someone's play you're supposed to reach a new opinion on that persons alignment, either strengthening or wreaking your read.

If your analysis did not make a change to your opinion of a person then it is useless.

Or in the case of mafia: an appearance of trying to solve the game.

You don't call her town, because you want to leave open the possibility of lynching her later.

Yet you don't call her scum, waiting to judge thread sentiment before pushing further.

On August 01 2017 04:34 ruXxar wrote:


You got that PM.
Tumble got that PM.
I got that PM.
Rels got that PM.
Beentheredonethat got that PM.
Superbia got that PM.
Vayne got that PM.

Wow, so many confirmed towns.

...

Do you understand how stupid your argument that mafia knew their alignment from the start is?
Its totally illogical, unrealistic and would never ever happen.

So your defense is no defense at all and doesn't confirm that anyone is anything.

On August 01 2017 05:16 beentheredonethat wrote:

But if that is true, how town-sided would that be if scum wouldn't know about the whole thing? (And how borderline close is it to modconfirming when you say "remember" because my PM said the same but it's like not allowed to quote from your PM, or is it)

I think either none knew his alignment - or scum knew that they belong together BUT they received at least the same PM. Everything else would be absolutely imbalanced.

On August 01 2017 05:20 Holyflare wrote:


Мы получаем многочисленные сообщения о том, что воровский пекарь пытается носить одежду Арстоцкана. В свидетельствах очевидцев говорится, что у нее есть пропозиционные листовки, торчащие из ее сумок. При осмотре листовки и содержащейся пропоганды мы видим, что листовка пуста.

On August 01 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:

Not necessarily balanced. Also, the game might even be objectively balanced but the perceived balance is something completely different. I'm talking about perceived balance, so nothing that could be measured objectively. Since we don't really know much about the setup anyways, there's no point in speculating about PMs.

I think the fact that he said "remember" does indeed mean that he either knew the exact PM OR received the original PM, meaning that he did not lie, meaning that chances are he's not scum, yes, but it doesn't confirm him.

I think I re-wrote this sentence 10000 times now because I cannot really come to a conclusion that is helpful. Can you repeat what your exact point about this is, I may or may not have read the relevant post x_X

On August 01 2017 05:30 beentheredonethat wrote:

So I googled the meaning of piggybacking and I don't understand what you mean. What is he doing?

On August 01 2017 05:43 VayneAuthority wrote:



because of redacted. look how he interpreted my posts and he straight up asked me for a role claim. His play is also different too but its a theme game so meh. I don't know what HF is pushing because im too lazy to translate any of his posts but hopefully he is doing something useful.

On August 01 2017 05:50 CopCake wrote:
Now I have to think on Holyflair



(if I remembered one pls correct)

- Holyflair claimed town
- Then that doesnt know
- He claimed he knew what he was when Superbia asked if there was a person that could hand in passports. Holyflair was that person who took that role.
-Holyflair was the first person that reacted to role updates (newspaper boy)
- Then he stopped to post newspapers and just started to talk in russian

On August 01 2017 06:39 ruXxar wrote:


1) Your refusal to drop the belief that scum knew their alignment from the start.
Based on this illogical absurdness you have tried to formulate arguments with no basis in reality.

2) Intentionally misrepresenting what people are doing.

3) Creating posts summarizing your thoughts on people, without giving your opinion on whether that is towny or scummy. Instead you are fishing for people to do it for you.

On August 01 2017 15:37 ruXxar wrote:


And that makes me...?

Come on, I know you can say it if you try really hard.

On August 01 2017 16:21 ruXxar wrote:


Why would you declare that you'll be actively lurking?

On August 01 2017 23:17 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like to hear CopCake's reads. All I know is that she(?) is in favor of lynching ruxxar or Damdred. Who's town and why?

On August 01 2017 23:48 Rels wrote:
copcake did you meta check how I play the early days ?

On August 01 2017 23:46 darthfoley wrote:
CopCake has really fallen off since I called ruxX vs. CC out for being too focused on each other. Rux has been able to transition to discussing other people, while CopCake has struggled

On August 02 2017 00:08 ruXxar wrote:


Scum hunting? You mean stating facts and waiting for the thread to answer for you?

On August 02 2017 00:11 darthfoley wrote:


So Super, TW, TT are town.

Outside of Ruxxar, who else is scummy to you? Reading the last couple pages of your filter all I can find it Damdred

On August 02 2017 00:46 Superbia wrote:


Jesus dude. Two jobs? z_z

Just sheep my vote at EoD.

On August 02 2017 02:48 Superbia wrote:


Tempted to lynch you for this.

On August 02 2017 03:18 rsoultin wrote:

I have no clue why you think I'm nice @.@ I thought maybe you were confusion me with the or something. Voice mafia is not forum mafia

On August 02 2017 03:21 Superbia wrote:
CC if you happen to be mafia this is some top class pocketing

On August 02 2017 04:34 Damdred wrote:
honestly before i go much further i will exolain whatvyou want rsoul.

First, and the greatest reason i didnt snark back at ruxxar, was because his post did not upset me. I laughed at his and wentnon about my business of reading and trying to figure out what to do in the thread.

it was this post that tilted me.



This post was absolutely without merrit and was just built it seemed like to me to try to trigger me. Especially comig from te same person who earlier in the game threatened a pre emptive rage quit if he was talked to a certain way.

Especialky when you takeninto context that I was talkig about the matches for the previous three or four posts, and my next post was thats not how that works.

100% pissed me off and had no reason to say that. Maybe i shouldnt of snapped and might be the meds makig me mkre agitated idk but it was dumb eother way. And i do apologize i suppose for tellig them to fuck themselves.

On August 02 2017 04:50 rsoultin wrote:


hrum, why btdt for you cake?

On August 02 2017 05:02 rsoultin wrote:

-snorts- i think you thought it more than you said it, cake xP

but okay i see something in there along the lines of just going with the flow. did you check as you said you would?

On August 02 2017 05:01 darthfoley wrote:


that makes two of us. considering the whole accusation against me is basically that i'm not as "good" as usual, and that i've sheeped like two reads, i'm not surprised that it hasn't gained much steam.

frankly, i think you should look into the three people who followed you onto Damdred (CC, TW, Superbia).

Haven't seen anything that moves me off of TT.

Maybe HF is just mafia getting through d1 without anyone talking about him. Idk

On August 02 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:

What the

where is this coming from all of a sudden? Like, you townread me for the worst reasons and now I'm scum all of a sudden?

On August 02 2017 05:30 beentheredonethat wrote:


Ok I found the reason why you want to lynch me.

1. I started HF
2. I started Conversion
3. I kinda started Damdred

Where exactly am I jumping on whatever others are saying?

Also, what happened to this:

Damdred is not on the lyst anymore?


Ruxxar is mafia but you're willing to lynch me over ruxxar?


Aha. Why?

On August 02 2017 05:01 darthfoley wrote:


that makes two of us. considering the whole accusation against me is basically that i'm not as "good" as usual, and that i've sheeped like two reads, i'm not surprised that it hasn't gained much steam.


frankly, i think you look into the three people who followed you onto Damdred (CC, TW, Superbia).

Haven't seen anything that moves me off of TT.

Maybe HF is just mafia getting through d1 without anyone talking about him. Idk

On August 02 2017 05:35 darthfoley wrote:





Forgive me CC if this "mini-case" was not particularly enlightening nor did I strike me as original. Mafia have to justify votes somehow, and you making a somewhat mediocre despacito remix to damdred's lynching isn't inspiring.

no lies. no fake news. just the truth

On August 02 2017 05:35 Superbia wrote:
Cake can you answer Rels' question?

On August 02 2017 05:44 rsoultin wrote:


What did I? I don't think I said that o.0 And I read your filter like you said goober.

On August 02 2017 05:44 beentheredonethat wrote:

Can you please bring up a quote or whatever you're basing this accusation on?

On August 02 2017 05:30 Conversion wrote:


rechecked her filter quickly. she called you mafia once on the possibility that I was mafia

never even suggested you were town from what I saw

On August 02 2017 05:52 Tictock wrote:
HF is not a good yolo lynch.

I think I feel ok about a DF lynch.

Did Ruxx have an excuse to not be around for EoD? I'd have expected him to be here.

On August 02 2017 05:50 beentheredonethat wrote:

Yes, seriously. It's close to EoD. You probably are aware of the very post(s) that brought you to the accusation; I am obviously not. So either do it and help everyone, including people who are interested in what you're saying, out, or just shut the fuck up and don't try to shennanie me.

I mean for real, do you actually WANT to lynch me? You brag about it all EoD long so far yet you're not putting in the slightest effort to achieve an actual btdt lynch.

On August 02 2017 05:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
##unvote
##vote CopCake

EVERYONE GOGO

On August 02 2017 06:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
nothing good would have come from a role that announces nukes in thread and have a high chance of killing other town or yourself who was also town.

Borderline 3P

On August 02 2017 06:37 Rels wrote:

Doesn't work like that. I also have the ##learn role thing. It says that I might or might not have hidden thing about my role, like TT had. TT didn't know his nuke had 80% chance of failing.

On August 02 2017 06:51 ruXxar wrote:


How is he a cop?

On August 02 2017 07:08 ruXxar wrote:
I read over the eod and the one thing that stuck in my mind is that I didn't like BTDTs behavior at all.

On August 02 2017 06:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

TicTock (7): Rels, VayneAuthority, Holyflare, darthfoley, rsoultin, Conversion, rsoultin, Tumblewood, Damdred, Superbia, Superbia, beentheredonethat
Holyflare (0): beentheredonethat, darthfoley, beentheredonethat
Damdred (0): ruxXar, Koshi
No Lynch (0): ruxXar,
ruxXar (1): CopCake, Holyflare, Tumblewood
Copcake (1): beentheredonethat, ruxXar, Holyflare, ruxXar, beentheredonethat
Conversion (0): Superbia, beentheredonethat,
Superbia (0): Conversion,
Damdred (0): Koshi, beentheredonethat, rsoultin, CopCake, Tumblewood, Superbia
Rels (0): beentheredonethat, ruxXar
Darthfoley (4): Koshi, Rels, Damdred, Superbia, Copcake, Tictock, Koshi, Superbia, rsoultin
VayneAuthority (0): TicTock
beentheredonethat (1): Copcake, Copcake
Rels (0): Tumblewood

Not voting (0):

Ex-Comrade TicTock will be hanged from the guillotine for betraying the motherland.

On August 02 2017 10:53 darthfoley wrote:


Why is that interesting?

On August 02 2017 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:
i could almost believe copcake never noticed the ##learn role thing. but it would make some sense for copcake freaking out about mafia knowing their roles early if it was tmi. i think hf said that the first 24h were for mafia to perform actions so... strong possibility

On August 01 2017 23:37 darthfoley wrote:


Yes, I should be.

As of now, I think (town to mafia)

TW
Koshi
ruxx
Rels
-------
Conversion
rsoultin
VA
HF
-------
CC
Superbia
Damdred
TT

Look at that symmetry

On August 01 2017 23:40 darthfoley wrote:


Oh crap, I knew I forgot someone. He'd probably be under Rels or above Conversion. I thought he was much more town earlier, but he's kinda trailed off since

On August 02 2017 05:37 darthfoley wrote:


You, CopCake. Maybe even Damdred because of OMGUS and continuing to vote for me with no justification.

@ toown if I get lynched, look at btdt for potential white-knighting

On August 02 2017 05:37 darthfoley wrote:


Agreed. Harvey Dent

On August 02 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:


Yea, that's what I thought. My role is kind of poop anyways so if I get ML'd it's not the end of the world.

On August 02 2017 05:59 darthfoley wrote:
If I get hammered:

look into Koshi. Look into BTDT white-knighting me.

Perhaps look into the rsoultin/damdred relationship. Idk, hopefully HF is town, can speak english next cycle, and actually plays.

On August 02 2017 06:37 darthfoley wrote:


lmaoooo yup. very good chance she's mafia. this is glorious

On August 02 2017 23:21 Holyflare wrote:

Вы правы, это дерьмо. Полностью дерьмо. Также невозможно иметь смысл, когда на телефоне переводится в Google.

Я занимаюсь чтением ruxxar и btdt, а также полицейским. Я сделал большой пост об этом, что без ответа.

On August 02 2017 23:27 ruXxar wrote:


A thought that struck my mind is that HF selecting Rsoul as passport officer might be related to also getting the russian disease.

This might also explain why HF said the first 24h weren't a waste, since his PM might've been unique giving him a mission to select a replacement for his first "job".

This might also explain why HF in the beginning of the game said that he was *town* and not that he *didn't know* his alignment, since he might've actually have gotten a different and unique role PM.

Keep in mind that HF was actually made to speak russian during the day and NOT during the night as a consequence of a night action.

Most mafia actions are only done during the night, and as such, I don't think HF being forced to speak russian was actually due to mafia action.

This points to it being tied to his role/mod game setup.

This means it's possible that HF was the one that made Rsoul into speaking russian, without knowing himself that this would be the consequence of selecting her.

----

Question for HF: Was selecting an official passport officer RP or part of the game?

On August 02 2017 23:37 ruXxar wrote:


What? Explain.

On August 02 2017 23:43 ruXxar wrote:


She said "he got attacked by an action".

You dont get "attacked" by a mod updating your role PM.

On August 02 2017 23:47 darthfoley wrote:
I think Koshi is town. I'm getting town vibes from HF as well. Rels also struck me as town when he was posting, asking questions in the right places.

ruxXar i'm pretty unsure about. He's asking just enough questions in the right places to skate by. He was supposedly gone EoD so it's hard to gauge his actions iirc.

I think if CopCake is scum, VA is probably town. CopCake has made multiple "forgetful" mistakes post flip, and now she's living in a 100% Darthfoley/btdt mafia world for like no reason. The stubbornness strikes me as odd so early in the game.

I still think rsoultin's 180 reversal on Damdred is weird. Damdred had kind of a scummy EoD as well. It went from Damdred is 80% scum to Damdred explains one tiny point to "Damdred is never scum here!" The progression really bugs me. SvS or TvS?

Superbia has done n o t h i n g to make me think that he's town. Inb4 "i'm always terrible town or lurk mafia!" self meta analysis.

Conversion hasn't done jack since Superbia's pressure got off of him. Might just be lucky mafia who skated by for the rest of D1?

I'm nervous about how confident Btdt was that I was town, even with a few inconsistencies found by Rels. I didn't feel like Btdt ever considered me for the lynch, which strikes me as odd.

TW kinda seemed tone from tone etc, but his EoD spooked me as well.

On August 02 2017 23:47 ruXxar wrote:


.....

What?

1) Who did he get attacked by? Mafia? During the day?

2) He got attacked *because* he posted the news paper?

I'm not making sense of what you are saying.

On August 02 2017 23:55 darthfoley wrote:


I was mainly thinking about your post about HF's russian thing. It felt like TMI in some way, but tbh I took such little stock into the beginning of the game that i will rescind "several" to be "one really really bad thing to forget."

I just have a hard time forgetting you'd forget about the ##learn role thing. For me, i've been debating about learning my role or an item for the whole day. And you claim to have forgotten one of them. It really seems unlikely

On August 02 2017 23:59 darthfoley wrote:


But other people have said you're good at the scum alignment, so forgive me if I don't buy the "i'm ignorant to the wide wide world of mafia mechanics!" argument

On August 03 2017 01:17 darthfoley wrote:


A leader does not ask people what they want to do and waffles. A leader tells people what they should do, and why.

Ask town!HF or town!Koshi about what a leader does, and it will be clear that you were not a leader.

On August 03 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:


Like you 100% know that mafia knew their roles from the start?

On August 03 2017 02:53 ruXxar wrote:


How many mafia games have you played?

On August 03 2017 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
i think copcake is townie by tone, but there are a few posts that are tmi/slip red flags. she knows too much about mechanics for a town. (i'm not 100% sure she knows it instead of being overconfident, which is why i'm hesitant)

On August 03 2017 03:09 beentheredonethat wrote:

You and Ruxxar need to realize the following: if I am scum and happy with either lynch of TT, DF and Damdred, it clears all three of them that I am merrily jumping wagons at EoD. Do you think all of those three are town?

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 03 2017 03:12 beentheredonethat wrote:

That is the worst pretended "I'm a protective PR" hint I've ever seen. And I absolutely think this is a post scum would make.

On August 03 2017 03:27 Holyflare wrote:


Добро пожаловать в мой гребаный мир. Я так потерялся в игре, потому что до сих пор никто не будет взаимодействовать, так зачем играть?

On August 03 2017 03:32 beentheredonethat wrote:

So I'm town since I sticked with the scummiest person which at the time was (you) TicTock. I actively tried to judge who'd be the better lynch and I figured it was Tictock.

On August 03 2017 03:49 rsoultin wrote:

Я не думаю, что все это будет переводить все время. Мы просто должны быть умны вместе, чтобы общаться.

On August 03 2017 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote:

I didn't hammer Tictock, I was not the decisive vote.
I don't regret taking part in lynching a townie.
(I wouldn't regret if I had been the hammer, too)

I'm not sure how you missed it, I thought I said it pretty clearly, but I'll gather it up in one place:

1. I wanted to lynch HF because he's speaking russian and I do not like that at all, in complete disregard of his actual alignment. I don't want that mechanism in the game.
2. I wanted to lynch Damdred because I thought he was absolutely not contributing to the game and I regard him as a player who is very sharp on finding scum and who is good at this game. My impression was that his play was lackluster and missing its usual sharpness. I pointed that out several times and thus I started a wagon on him.
3. Since DF was and is locked town in my eyes, I defaulted to the wagon that is "not DF", in this case being Tictock. I said that I hadn't built a final opinion on Tictock and I did so as good as I could; and I was absolutely torn between Damdred being scum or Damdred being town (again, check my filter, there's a post where I quote my problem very specifically)
4. I couldn't understand your behaviour at EoD at all, you were just yelling a lot, making noise, apparently only being interested in chaos and derailing and not in actually determining any wagon's alignment. So I hoped to start shenanigans on you, also because the closer deadline came, the more certain I was on Tictock being town - I asked multiple times (bolded and big) if someone was hard opposing the TT lynch.

Those steps 1-4 are what you call "jumping on wagons" and yes, I did switch wagons, but each switch had its reasons and they were, at least from my perspective, good ones.

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On August 03 2017 05:14 Rels wrote:

why would he do that ? It's making him the center of attention without him being able to retaliate by dominating the thread like he usually does as scum.

On August 03 2017 05:32 Rels wrote:

Yeah we talked about that once.

Yeah p: