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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:03 GMT
#1917
On July 17 2017 02:47 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 02:37 Koshi wrote:
Would be a pretty great play if Rels and HF are mafia together. HF using his towncred to create and abolish a wagon on Rels. Rels doing nothing but pushing the ml of the day. Good stuff.


I had the same thought.

Rels backed off HF too fast for my liking.

Hi. Why is TW not mafia?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:11 GMT
#1923
TW do you have a scumread?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:13 GMT
#1924
On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.

the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up

I am very right on the second part btw.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:20 GMT
#1929
On July 17 2017 03:17 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:13 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.

the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up

I am very right on the second part btw.

you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong


I like this post.

Why it has nothing to do with mafia and he is wrong. Mafia has a way tougher time gradually acquiring townread than a townie has. So it happens more often that they seemingly out of nowhere read somebody town and then ignore that person for a very long time. While a townie more often uses 3-4 or more posts to read somebody town.

And that post has nothing to do with actually playing mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:21 GMT
#1931
On July 17 2017 03:17 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:11 Koshi wrote:
TW do you have a scumread?

you. and i thought hf had a redcheck on rels so he was hard scum, but now i don't know what's what with that

So you missed all the posts in which people blamed hf for fakeclaiming, the hf fakeclaim post itself and then all other posts about that. Cool. So how did you catch up?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:22 GMT
#1932
On July 17 2017 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
why has your playstyle miraculously deviated from your plan koshi?

Because I feel like catching mafia atm. Is it a problem?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:26 GMT
#1935
On July 17 2017 03:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:20 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:17 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:13 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.

the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up

I am very right on the second part btw.

you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong


I like this post.

Why it has nothing to do with mafia and he is wrong. Mafia has a way tougher time gradually acquiring townread than a townie has. So it happens more often that they seemingly out of nowhere read somebody town and then ignore that person for a very long time. While a townie more often uses 3-4 or more posts to read somebody town.

And that post has nothing to do with actually playing mafia.

wtf, my read on ruxxar is exactly what you said mafia has a hard time faking. and what do you mean it doesn't relate to playing mafia? it's part of my defense of myself, and you can base reads off of non-read-related posts anyway. this is bullshit

Dnu what you are mad about when I am just explaining why that isn't a "good post"
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:28 GMT
#1938
On July 17 2017 03:23 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:20 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:17 ruXxar wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:13 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote:
And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right.


Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town.

the first part is patently untrue, and you just made the second part up

I am very right on the second part btw.

you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong


I like this post.

Why it has nothing to do with mafia and he is wrong. Mafia has a way tougher time gradually acquiring townread than a townie has. So it happens more often that they seemingly out of nowhere read somebody town and then ignore that person for a very long time. While a townie more often uses 3-4 or more posts to read somebody town.

And that post has nothing to do with actually playing mafia.


Maybe he's wrong, but you could easily argue it either way, and there's no way to prove you wrong.

That's not the point. I am explaining to you that it isn't a "good post". The post from TW was just NAI and didn't disprove my previous post at all...

So how is it a good post?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:29 GMT
#1941
On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?

Go check steam friendlist
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:34 GMT
#1946
On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:
Koshi did you read my case on TW?

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously.


I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town.

The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post.

After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent.

Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed:

Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe.
But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch.

Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today

...

actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM)


HOWEVER.

When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.

Please vote.

What? TW was 100 town????


Yes?

What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong?


They haven't voted yet.

chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this


Why is EC scum?

i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him


I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads.

This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game.

This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda.

It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town.


I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true".
Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.

And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:36 GMT
#1947
On July 17 2017 03:34 ruXxar wrote:
Also koshi, what is your opinion on HF fake claim.

Scum or town?

HF is pretty untouchable atm. And with the 3 innocent towns if he is mafia he can make it to lylo without the "why aren't you death yet" pressure. I'll give you a more informed read after I played a bit. cba about him atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:41 GMT
#1950
On July 17 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi, what are your reads that don't concern me or vivax?

Chances are high mafia is within TW/Rels/EC/sicklucker
And I am tempted to say EC is not mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:42 GMT
#1952
On July 17 2017 03:37 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:29 ruXxar wrote:
Koshi did you read my case on TW?

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously.


I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town.

The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post.

After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent.

Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed:

Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe.
But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch.

Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today

...

actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM)


HOWEVER.

When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.

Please vote.

What? TW was 100 town????


Yes?

What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong?


They haven't voted yet.

chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this


Why is EC scum?

i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him


I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads.

This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game.

This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda.

It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town.


I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true".
Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game.

And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own.


What does this mean?

That in this game TW is not solving the game. Which for him is the fun part. His only scumread is me and I don't even know why. Probably thread sentiment.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:43 GMT
#1953
On July 17 2017 03:41 ruXxar wrote:
*Solving* the game.

Isn't that a term you use about someone who is town?

I thought you was calling TW scum.

... Come on Rux ...
Don't be dumb
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:44 GMT
#1954
On July 17 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?

Go check steam friendlist


playing battlerite innit

it was joke
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:45 GMT
#1955
Meh. Don't like how sl voted me this game. So much anger. Why?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:46 GMT
#1956
On July 16 2017 05:16 sicklucker wrote:
noted that ec cant even remember his own reads. he calls me town at last deadline then less then 24 hours later im "forgotten" and scum

This is good though.
On July 16 2017 05:28 sicklucker wrote:
It just weird you call me town. I dont post then you call me maybe scum. I mean its not like your saying im for sure mafia but it seems like you forgot your read

This is good. But why is he not voting EC?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:47 GMT
#1958
TW/Rels/EC/sicklucker

Pretty happy with it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:48 GMT
#1959
On July 17 2017 03:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 03:44 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:29 Koshi wrote:
On July 17 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
rels just got off red check and left didn't he?

Go check steam friendlist


playing battlerite innit

it was joke


did the innit not make it sound like a joke reply?

Not really lol. I was looking for a ":D"
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 16 2017 18:50 GMT
#1961
On July 16 2017 19:43 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 19:30 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 16 2017 19:19 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?


Please explain why that is important to you.


I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations.


I can see that.

I know I look bad for my defending of VA, so I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but I think TW also looks bad for his supposed town read on VA.

I wouldn't say it's definitely mafia though, since I'm town and reached the same conclusion.

What most bothers me about TW, is how little doubt he has about any of his reads.

His reads are static and non evolving as the game progresses.

Most notably very few ingame events makes him reconsider his reads, which means that his reads are locked regardless of what we do.
That is a sign of someone with TMI aka mafia.

Goddamnit Ruxxar. This is exactly what I said about TW....
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