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On July 20 2017 19:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2017 08:54 Tumblewood wrote:
skynx, vivax, sl, and rels are all realistic 2nd/3rd scummers, in roughly that order. everyone else i am 90% sure i can write off. and if koshi is town i might as well give up Show nested quote +On July 20 2017 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:
well this is holyf***e mafia all over again.
but hf, i don't think ec is scum just for doubting whether vivax is scum. it's inconsistent and all that, but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt. if it were a solid, veteran player maybe not, but i think ec has the potential to do weird flips like that as town. Show nested quote +On July 20 2017 03:38 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2017 03:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 20 2017 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:
well this is holyf***e mafia all over again.
but hf, i don't think ec is scum just for doubting whether vivax is scum. it's inconsistent and all that, but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt. if it were a solid, veteran player maybe not, but i think ec has the potential to do weird flips like that as town. what's this supposed to mean? in that game, vivax replaced in for superbia d3, made a couple WoT catching-up posts, and then hardly interacted with the game afterwards. a little more active than this game but not by much. Why are you voting off wagon with your scum read then?
I think he was saying Vivax was town and lackluster in the Holyflare mafia ? Or did I read that wrong. Gonna check the game
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oh I remember now, I was wrong. Vivax was scum and made a big post that looked good than AFKed his way to the lynch.
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the last post vivax made I replied within 30 seconds and vivax had already left because he doesn't give a shit
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Vivax / Koshi / TW makes some sense. It's weird given how hard Koshi pushed TW. But it makes sense with the idea Koshi has stated several times: that my vote on EC makes sense if we're both scum, 'cause I'm being pushed so I don't have a strong pull + I'm bussing a teammate. Well, Koshi was being pushed when he voted TW, so maybe he applied his situation to me.
Talking about:
On July 17 2017 20:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels voting EC was potential a smart mafia play. Because if the Rels wagon abolishes people are not going to vote with Rels most likely. Because he is still a mafia suspect.
Replace "Rels" by "Koshi" and "EC" by "TW" and we might be in a situation where Koshi was projecting his own situation:
Koshi voting TW was potential a smart mafia play. Because if the Koshi wagon abolishes people are not going to vote with TW most likely. Because he is still a mafia suspect.
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It's also lines up with how Vivax talks 80% about TW in his first big post but doesn't really conclude anything:
On July 19 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote:I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm. TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him. His read came down to this: Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx? 1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths. Basically it's a misguided failure. Whether that is intentional or not is another point. It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings. In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good. Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons". Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that. I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things. Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today. i think rux has gotta be town Why? well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reasonand since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated. Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow. Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time. I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet.
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On July 18 2017 06:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 06:09 Damdred wrote:On July 18 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote:
koshi is 100% mafia and it's your fault he is not dying. i take 0% of the blame.
otherwise it's between rels, skynx, sl. or if there's another blue the masons could be scum, maybe. but if you do not lynching koshi tomorrow or you lynch ruxxar ever i will flame in postgame and obs This felt and still feels like a town rage when he's getting lynched for stupid reasons in his mind. maybe. Dunno. Will have to check meta to see if he can do it. But the fact that he showed up 15 min before deadline only after becoming the main wagon is a great scum indicator
FTR I checked his last two scum games and he didn't do it (Presidential and 72 hours), he conceded in the first and was lynched in the second. He didn't do something similar in those games. On the contrary, I kinda think TW is town after reading these games. Maybe I was biaised because I knew before hand he was scum, but the feeling I got was that it was easy to see the agenda behind his posts. He was always talking to people and trying to sway the game in a direction. I don't have this feeling at all this game.
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What do you think about his recent mafia game? Presidental and previous game he just didnt really care about lynching mafia, he was just giving random thoughts all game.
Also we don't talk about 72h, that game never happened.
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On July 20 2017 21:02 Skynx wrote:
What do you think about his recent mafia game? Presidental and previous game he just didnt really care about lynching mafia, he was just giving random thoughts all game.
Also we don't talk about 72h, that game never happened.
there is a more recent game that isn't in the database ?
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oh yeah he was in the last game right. I don't remember him, gonna check
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way more random than his other scum games. By that I mean interact sometimes with the thread and randomly states some reads. No agenda, just lazily playing the game. I retract the townred I gave him above. I think his play last game and this game is quite similar.
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AND HE FUCKING TOLD US RAYN WAS SCUM
On June 23 2017 13:45 Tumblewood wrote:
but one thing we can be 99.9999% sure about is either rayn or palmar is scum. because rayn and palmar are the only natural town leaders still alive and also very respected players, so in any case where scum is a bunch of non-leaders they are 99.9999% killing rayn or palmar
If I had played better this game we would have won
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On July 20 2017 21:19 Koshi wrote:
I like your effort Rels.
Shame you're voting the inferior wagon
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On July 20 2017 21:19 Koshi wrote:
I like your effort Rels.
that's definitely not mutual
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Can we actually all vote vivax now please? None of you have a single reason to town read him.
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sicklucker should be the lynch today as his scumhunting this game is a total farce.
On July 13 2017 21:17 sicklucker wrote:
I voted ruxxar because he had the best chance to be scum and Im not sure if Ill have much time or when even the deadline is. I took your advice TAKE THE BANANA
We should most of the time just straightup ignore his D1 but here he admits a sheepvote on Ruxxar without having much clue about anyone else.
On July 14 2017 04:35 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 22:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 13 2017 21:37 sicklucker wrote:On July 13 2017 21:33 ruXxar wrote:On July 13 2017 20:50 Koshi wrote:On July 13 2017 20:41 ruXxar wrote:On July 13 2017 20:26 Koshi wrote:On July 13 2017 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your opinion on what i said about ruxxar? I don't know what ruxxar is doing this game. So basically I agree with the idea behind your case. He made a couple extremely dumb observations this game. I don't understand what he is doing as I don't see him solving the game while playing. Last game he scumread me while I had a 10 page filter and correctly read him while nobody else did, this game he very quickly townread both townleaders for scumhunting... Filterlenght and sheer enthusiasm holds me back but he is on the watch list. Koshi, you are way too serious this game. You look nothing like your last game. Your tone is completely different. Very somber and low energy. protip: Different does not equal mafia. Why am I somber? 1) your opening post basically declares "I'm going to play this game solo" Which sets up the expectation of a low interactivity game from you. Having that excuse in your back to take pressure of your non-interactivity is great from a mafia agenda point of view. 2) You are somber by the fact that you don't have the jesty/non-chalant way of talking as you did last game. Example of posts you made as town that represent such a tone: On June 14 2017 16:52 Koshi wrote:
Hmm I am going to call fefe and TW town.
TW for thinking fefe is hilariously suspicious and fefe for believing that.
2 townreads.
1 more than rayn.
ggwp. On June 14 2017 16:49 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 16:46 Xatalos wrote:On June 14 2017 16:35 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 13:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 14 2017 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
This deadline is nice for me.
##vote koshi :/ This emoticon is made by mafia over town 9/10 times. It is proven. I concede :/ See. Now you are mafia 81/100 times, 9/100 times mafia pretending to be town, 9/100 times town pretending to be mafia, and only 1% chance to be town being town. Can't disagree with math. Especially my math. Koshi had this planned before the game even started he talked about it in the obs qt and post game , last game.... Still mafia. man me and ruxxar came to every same conclusion last game right or wrong. Now everyone I think is mafia he thinks is town and vice versa. kill with fire
Later on a reverse mind meld/meta comes along the ONLY real reason of why he's scumreading Ruxxar, some other stuff in same page but nothing that can be used as an argument.
On July 16 2017 05:16 sicklucker wrote:
noted that ec cant even remember his own reads. he calls me town at last deadline then less then 24 hours later im "forgotten" and scum
Another lazy reason to scumread someone. He just looks tryhard with this, emp felt genuine at the time even tho i was scumreading him aswell.
On July 18 2017 04:29 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm just tempted to sheep dead rayn onto emc along with geript for now since I still miss more than half of the game. Anyway, off to delve while I vote emc. was ryan that sure emc was mafia? Damn that would be 3 strong towns
On July 18 2017 04:32 sicklucker wrote:hum ryan was also pretty high on koshi being mafia and ruxxar being town
Trying to solidify emperor being mafia with rayn sr on him which was based on wrong reasons:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2017 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 00:34 Skynx wrote:On July 16 2017 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 16 2017 00:27 Skynx wrote:On July 16 2017 00:21 emperorchampion wrote:On July 16 2017 00:12 Skynx wrote:On July 15 2017 23:38 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:37 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 23:35 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 23:34 ruXxar wrote:
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I have such a negative view on both of them that I can't bear myself to call them town for it, even if that is supposedly the objectively correct play.
Might just be my personal bias in wanting them to be scum, but for now it's all just a muddy mess surrounding them.
Like my intuition is telling me that they both look real shady, and then having to accept that they are town would just fly right in my face of reading the game.
I don't think my ego can handle it. meh, I'm starting to think that this game isn't nearly as solved as I thought it was. Guess it's not surprising. Please explain  I just felt good on skynx / koshi as scum. Rels could be, still 50/50. Now not as much, guess there's a lot more places to look. Why you voted VA then??? On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. This is your opinion on me after like stating 2-3 times you need to read me. You give me a pass based on the reason that I'm trying. But earlier there is this: On July 13 2017 23:21 emperorchampion wrote:
Quickly checking in: the "slip" is pretty lols that hf pointed out. I suppose some small town points to rsoul for being skeptical on this point. For this dislike hedging, I think I've been pretty clear my overall read on people . Of course there are things that give me pause on people but you can say that about any read at this point.
With regards to what rayn added re: his reasons for scum reading rux I'll look more at this later tonight. va's entrance I didn't mind at first glance since I didn't love skynx 's big post.
I'm sure there's more in there but gotta re read the last few pages later tonight.
Implying VA townlean, Skynx scumlean. Later on you just keep repeating "Koshi/Skynx is a good place to look at", like 5 times, no exageration. What do you mean by a good place to look at? Does this imply a scumlean? No one is gona follow that if you don't point out why we're scum. You also mention getting cold feet on VA lynch. I just can't find any reason to justify you staying on VA. Why did you vote VA? What were your reasons for scumreading (or implying so) me and Koshi? Why didn't you do anything about it when you had scumleans? Mmm I think I was more quickly checking in when I read both your case and VA's response to it. For starting my vote on VA I largely sheeped rayn and other's read on the situation. Then it turned into VA never defending him self, so I didn't really have any reason for moving off. I got a bit cold feet because it started looking 50/50 ish, until he started posting baby seals. Then I felt good about it till after the flip lol. Koshi can be scum for a number of reasons, that my self and others have largely stated in thread since the start of night. For koshi it's definitely developing into a scum read. For you, we'll see. I agree on Koshi but I'm the counter wagon to VA. If you're pushing the idea of I'm scum in the thread but not putting any effort into pushing me and vote on the other wagon thats just suspicious. Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen. Did you scumread me or not? i am going to mark this for myself for tomorrow (or if i happen to die to HF), because if this actually happened this is very very scummy. Please do it today, in case you die. On July 14 2017 20:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so caught up, quick post below .
I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him.
In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad.
@skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town?
I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline.
I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him.
For now gonna park my vote on va. Votes for VA, townreads me. Rest is just pushing the idea of I could be scum but thats it + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 02:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 02:08 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2017 02:03 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things.
Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him.
Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least.
Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly.
I don't think I want to lynch va today.
Rels is a good policy lynch though.
And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm. You think my filter is too clean?? Please expand on this. tbh I feel like I'm mostly playing my own game so far. I think I followed my main main null / could lynch reads fairly well so far, now I'm left with va and rels atm. So far I haven't seen much from va that could change my mind otherwise, which is quite unfortunate if he's town. Why rels? Cause he hasn't done anything so far, I don't feel like I could remove him from a poe list with 0 activity. So besides va and rels everyone else are null or town leans? Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia.
Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript On July 15 2017 06:23 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2017 06:16 Tumblewood wrote:On July 15 2017 06:12 emperorchampion wrote:On July 15 2017 06:10 Tumblewood wrote:
fuck i shoulda been here earlier Why does that change things? cause i planned to defend va if he was gonna get lynched. when i got on ithought i had an hour to do that and it was actually like 5 minutes. if you didn't notice i last-minute switched my vote to skynx I dunno can't defend someone who doesn't care to defend themselves. I dunno I think skynx koshi is a good place to look, skynx not the worst counter wagon On July 15 2017 07:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Hf what do you think about skynx scum? On July 15 2017 07:27 emperorchampion wrote:
Ok so:
Damdy and geript masons
Hf i think likely to be town
If I assume rsoul doesn't say things just to escape a scum read
If tumble and rux are both town
sl looks like town to me
Rayn likely still town, but need to re read since there have been cases on him this game
Rels
Skynx
Koshi
Am I missing anyone? Think there's a good chance of at least 1 scum in those 3
On July 15 2017 07:33 emperorchampion wrote:
Koshi and skynx can both be scum for tone vs other people in this game. Both didn't really do much day 1 and lots of inconsistencies in skynx case as pointed out by others.
Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul. Do you have anything to show from before deadline? Or are those posts before deadline? On July 16 2017 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, then EC is mafia.
Rayn thought that was right which I thought the same but those were post EoD, significantly harming the value of my case. I think sl says this before Rels points out my mistake but i cba looking, he's just trying too hard to create reasons here imo.
On July 18 2017 04:47 sicklucker wrote:
I just dont think koshi fought hard enough to be town here. thats all im saying
Koshi main wagon. He has no opinion.
On July 18 2017 04:19 sicklucker wrote:
Ruxxars still my first choice his game is so different. wild yes rels but not the samr
Him trying to support emperor scumread and soft sr on Koshi curiously comes after this. If Ruxxar his first choice, why try to create a wagon on someone else? When Koshi is main wagon why not try to propose a Ruxxar lynch? His vote is on Rels of all people at this point, after claim was rescinded. He has 1 main sr, two other sr's but votes no one. He just can't pick sides at this point.
22:20, there are 5 votes on emp. 5 fucking votes. He, as town, have options here. He can jump emperor train, why not he has reasons to support it right? He can propose a ruxxar lynch, its his main sr.
22:35 he votes Tumblewood... like wtf?
On July 18 2017 05:29 sicklucker wrote:
No I kind of like his tw push. its kind of townie hes going after him over ec
this to support it... I don't even know who is he talking about here, "He" is Koshi? Koshi bussing TW makes more sense than bussing EC? Either way how does that make TW scum????? Like literally, nothing recent on Tumble AND he sheeps his sr onto him. He posts a list of townies, claiming everyone else lynchable, like very under the table, pushes a TW sr...
On July 18 2017 05:45 sicklucker wrote:
LETS KILL RUXXARRRRR 0.o
Then back on Ruxxar. Easiest mislynch ever. This is not a towny vote pattern guys.
On July 18 2017 05:56 sicklucker wrote:
tumble is reacting kind of good here. plz killz ruxxars with me
On July 18 2017 07:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2017 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
the one where sl is up for voting koshi but then jumps to sheep to koshi's target but then as soon as that wagon looks like it's set he instant derails it to ruxxar? so as mafia why do I switch off tumble who I already switched to over ruxxar?I thought ruxxar was mafia all game man he was my number 1 target I said so earlier your overthinking this man. game throwflare. I would have voted ruxxar over anyone
There we go instantly brings up the fact that Ruxxar was his n1 target. Bolded is a classic mafia agenda, just swaying from the fact that he has no basis at all voting for tumble to begin with.
On July 18 2017 09:37 sicklucker wrote:
i always wanted to lynch ruxxar... . It didnt become an option untill the very end and I was very happy to jump on it. Me townreading tumbleweed after had nothing to do with my vote change. your so dense
I can go on with his bs on me but I'm gona cap it off with this.
No options he says. What was his options?
Emp wagon, he scumreads, doesn't vote, doesn't push for Ruxxar lynch either.
Koshi wagon, he scumreads, doesn't vote, doesn't push for Ruxxar lynch either.
In what case you do all this as town? He doesn't want to lynch his scumreads but doesn't case his main scumread either but defends himself like this was his plan all along. Just doesn't exist as town. Lynch please, I 110% guarantee you he will flip scum.
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On July 18 2017 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
tw/sl/ec
On July 18 2017 06:08 Holyflare wrote:
sl is absolutely confirmed mafia now
On July 18 2017 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
Never ever lynch anyone other than koshi tomorrow. Don't let rels tell you otherwise. There is no way he has this read list after that deadline in any town koshi game in existence.
On July 18 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx/rels are essentially the mafia team I have. Anyone else is up in the air.
Can you fucking make up your mind???
Why Vivax over all these? He's essentially a coinflip.
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