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On June 20 2017 08:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 08:05 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't even know why you are talking about this since you don't even think disformation is mafia... 'cause I don't like you thinking that when I don't. It's not logical to think that it makes disfo super likely town on its own. So I thought maybe there was nothing to it I didn't see. But there is not. Of course it does. If you have followed the thread sentiment at all you would know that the people in this game who needed town credit less than disformation are/were exactly darthfoley. If what you suggested would be true there is no reason to make the "check" on disformation because literally anyone else who is mafia is a better target for that WIFOM than disformation is. Basically noone in the game thought he is mafia other than me. Why does disformation need the town credit (which would be the reason to claim a check on a scumbuddy) over anyone else in the mafia team? You're thinking about it in a backward way. Xata was SCUM and you can't use a scum actions to prove someone is town just because "it wouldn't make sense that it did that ???". And wasn't it you that said exactly that in a QT recently ?
No. I have talked about situations where someone makes a case where "this dude is mafia because this flipped mafia guy ignored him all game (or some other crap like called him town for very bad reasons)".
This is completely different because this situation with Xatalos is a mafia plan and when it is a mafia plan then mafia tries to achieve something with it. If the plan was to claim a check on a scumbuddy - then disformation (now 100% knowing df's alignment) the worst fucking person in the mafia team to claim the check on.
That's literally the opposite situation what you are trying to make it look like i am saying. If you can't understand it then you are just stupid for some reason, or intentionally ignoring the obvious.
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On June 20 2017 08:26 Rels wrote:
getting tired so I will stop reading filters. I think Grack is town for the post I quoted earlier + that post where he called out the overall sentiement that scum had to be in annul's wagon. I thought the same thing reading those last pages.
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Get smart or die.
No Rels, you don't get to do this.
First of all, your post on Eversince. There is a reason you started with this line:
wow that makes Eversince town.
I do not care you later figured out you were wrong in this conclusion. It doesn't matter. It matters that your original conclusion is completely illogical and there is always a reason you posted it in the first place, because that's what people do, even if they don't think things through. So i am trying to figure out why you originally came to this conclusion. Here's what i can think of:
1) You fucked up because you know Eversince's alignment (mafia) and made a bad judgement call of what people do think about the post.
2) You fucked up because you know Eversince's alignment (town) and because TMI you came to "correct conclusion".
3) You originally posted that as town because ?????
Now you haven't explained why (3) ? Obviously you're gonna claim that's the case regardless of your alignment. Saying "i corrected myself later" doesn't cut it because i don't care about it. I care about what was your original thought process, why did you originally think it makes Eversince town, because as i said, there IS a reason why you originally posted what you did.
Secondly there is this disformation thing. The fact is all about this game is what mafia would or wouldn't likely do. You are literally trying to discredit my read JUST by saying "you can't assume what mafia would/wouldn't do". That's fucking retarded since that's literally what this game is about, and nothing else, since by your logic any alignment can post anything they ever want and you can never figure out anything based on what people say/do. Basically, i don't care if you disagree with my conclusion, you are allowed to do that. But you're not really doing that, you're saying i am mafia because of me coming to a perfectly logical conclusion. That's pretty fucking fishy Rels, and i happen to know you do these shit cases on me as mafia, it happens on almost every game you're mafia in. I don't fucking know how to explain this in words that other people can understand, and why what Rels says is super duper dumb and incorrect, but please read it with thought. There is nothing unsmart in what i said. There is everything unsmart and wrong in what Rels says here.
Now let's believe Rels is town and actually believes in what he says on what i talked about above. Then there is this thing:
On June 17 2017 12:08 Eversince wrote:
I'm no town leader and if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again. So this is my gift for you town.
I'm 99.65535% convinced of it.
SL, TW, Xata, Grack and X(Solve X for game) is the mafia team.
Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia.
This is a post Eversince made. Since you, Rels, are so against the line of thinking "what would mafia most likely do" why aren't you interested at all in this post?? It doesn't make any sense since she made a fucking post that is literally filled with nothing but "this is what i think mafia is doing". Why do you treat Eversince differently than you treat me when i approach the game from the same perspective?
Here's another one:
On June 15 2017 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was).
This is my early read on Fecalfeast. This is me saying "i think if Fecalfeast is mafia he most likely would have reacted differently to df's opening". Again this is the same thing. Funnily enough this is in the pretty much ONLY post i had made when Rels called me town!!! So i really really have to ask, why does Rels treat me differently than he treats me when i approach the game from same perspective than i do????
This whole stuff above is insane also because you can go to any game i have played ever and this is always how i form my reads. Rels not only fails to realize i am doing what i always do as town, but also even treats myself in a different manner when it comes to different people.
Then there is the Chezitwo read. Rels literally said Chezitwo is mafia because of what marv has done some other time. The he backpedals from the read with:
I had this huge feeling that he had TMI defending marv like that, but it turns out that since he's his replacement he has TMI on his slot.
You really couldn't "figure this out" earlier??? REALLY?!?!? And you're fucking calling me unsmart....
And then there is the annnul vote thing. I don't literally care what annul said about his Xatalos vote. I care about the fact that it is factually incorrect a vote on Xatalos will most likely get him to vote for sicklucker, regardless of what annul thinks. And by that, it makes your conclusion (and vote) extremely stupid - i am talking about the reasoning here, not that you voted for annul in itself. (I don't really blame anyone for voting for annul just because they voted for him.) Because it is true. Because if annul was mafia and wanted Xatalos to vote for sicklucker you don't fucking play around "blackmailing him", you just vote for sicklucker instead and try to plead to Xatalos. That is what mafia would do most likely. You should be smart enough to realize that.
##vote Rels
Now here's what's gonna happen if you're town Rels:
You stop calling me unsmart because if i am unsmart in how i have played and it makes me mafia then you're 100x mafia. If you think i am mafia at least TRY to make a fucking case based on what i have done. You're gonna explain these things. Then you're gonna get onto your level because right now i will need people to work with me and those people i am looking into are you/Palmar/disformation/Chezitwo/Ruxxar. But mostly you and Palmar, and sadly right now i think you're probably mafia and Palmar is not playing. Maybe he will wake up from his weekend hibernation soon.
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btdt, do you think disformation is mafia or not?
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Like you two fucking stop this. btdt if you think he's mafia say so, and tell why. If you don't, talk about who you think is mafia.
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btdt why is disformation mafia?
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You realize the psot you made a couple posts above this is retarded as hell?
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On June 20 2017 18:47 Blazinghand wrote:
it's kinda humorous watching rayn try to actually play while these two butt heads.
How about you try to play too?
Where's your head at?
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And i meant btdt's post earlier in case that was not obvious. 
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On June 20 2017 18:50 beentheredonethat wrote:He spent the last 2-3 pages with painting a beautiful "btdt is scum" narrative, culminating in a "NEVER UNVOTE HERE" fake-rage so he doesn't have to end up on Grack. Vivax was hardcore on Grack and was probably killed because of that, also he was townreading me, so I assume scum!disformation wanted to start a btdt wagon with the town cred he gained from the xata flip (bla fake red check bla). Cherry on the cake: scum killed always into the super active people yet 22-page-filter-disformation survived for some reason. it's like a puzzle, it all goes together. disfo wasn't realler eager to push me on my hard defense on xata during d2, he left this to chez and df (which makes chez probably town btw) and while disfo feels active, he's not really doing much. Even starting the day with that weird "I have no scumreads" post but then suddenly locked grack locked btdt? I think that's as solid as it gets but a grack flip would kinda confirm that lynch avert attempt
First of all you cannot really make assumptions of disformation's alignment based on Gracks. If he is mafia with Grack what's the point of calling him mafia in the first place then? Like he has the town credit (even if you don't think so) to call some townie mafia instead. Why doesn't he just simply call you mafia earlier? If Grackaroni is not mafia with him your theory - which is already a flimsy one - falls apart, you said so. But even so, why does that change anything? IF Grack is town here why does that suddenly make disformation town?
I think you're looking too much into connections, and you're doing it wrong. The only thing that is a reasonable conclusion in this post imo is that Vivax was probably killed because Grackaroni is mafia. I am not even saying that is correct 100% but i know if i was mafia i would not kill Vivax here, since Vivax tends to be a paranoid vane who can start calling even confirmed townies mafia at some point. But yeah, that's only what i think, i don't know for sure what mafia thought when they shot him.
If you're town at least let go of disformation because you HAVE TO realize this isn't productive at all rn and your read is based on someone else's alignment and the fact that he calls you mafia rather than something he has actually said. For reals, you get lynched for this kind of shit all the time. I don't want to lynch you in case you're town. But right now you're not helping, in fact you're mafia siding pretty hard with this stuff REGARDLESS of if you are right or wrong.
Even if you are right, disformation and Grackaroni are not the only mafia in the game. Your vote is on Grack, which is fine, but please talk about somethign else than disformation.
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On June 20 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:
I have explained 3. It's literally the part you erased after the part you quoted. I didn't "figure out I was wrong in this conclusion", I just thought it was less strong than I initially thought. I still think it's a small town indicator.
Why is it a town indicator?
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On June 16 2017 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:35 Rels wrote:On June 16 2017 07:33 annul wrote:
no, if he switched i actually would too, because he could always switch onto me anyway once he figured out i was bluffing if i was bluffing.
like the math is sound. it is ENTIRELY a self preservation move. i do not want to do this; i would prefer other lynches mmmmmmmmm No the math fucking doesn't. YES you're one vote less with the switch compared to the main wagon. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD IF THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES YOU RE LYNCHING YOUR TOWNREAD. Without switch: Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (4): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xata sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax With switch: sicklucker (5): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax, Xata, annul Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast
And no Rels, you're the one making no sense here.
Annul is making sense.
If i have to explain why it makes you super unsmart.
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As town you're asking questions and laying traps.
This is also a really fucking bs thing to say Rels. If you genuinely can't make the connection between me "not playing as usual" and having no time to play until now then you're really stupid. Furthermore i do not play in the same way in big games than i do in mini's, even if i had had time to play.
There has been literally no point in "asking questions and laying traps" for me before now since i knew i would never have time to make conclusions on the answers. It is that simple.
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On June 20 2017 19:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:
I have explained 3. It's literally the part you erased after the part you quoted. I didn't "figure out I was wrong in this conclusion", I just thought it was less strong than I initially thought. I still think it's a small town indicator. Why is it a town indicator? 'cause in the narrative where she's scum with Xata and came to save him EOD1, it's more likely that she was fake AFK and faked entering the thread to save him. That what was said against her.
I still don't understand this. You basically just went back in circles and said the reasoning is the same you earlier said is not actually a reasoning to call him town for it.
Can you explain it in words i can understand? We have concluded she probably didn't fake her entering the thread. But why is misreading/misremembering something a towntell, even slightest? Because i don't see why.
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On June 20 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
It would be impressive if btdt is mafia. Very rarely have I seen someone push mafia agenda so openly like he does in this game. He probably isn't scum though.
That's what i already thought on N2 when he pushed some super insane things. He needs to get level-headed though.
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Im on p170 and cant continue rn. Ruxxar's case on Grack is actually very decent.
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The first point doesnt necessarily mean anything but the second point is really good.
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I am quite not sure why people want to lynch other people for being more townie than usual.
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On June 21 2017 06:50 sicklucker wrote:
well who are you talking about wtf
rels and skynx.
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On June 21 2017 06:51 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am quite not sure why people want to lynch other people for being more townie than usual. Which posts is this referencing? Sicklucker is not more towny than usual.
i am not talking about what sicklucker has done. it's a reference to this by rels:
sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched.
Yes this is jsut a part of his case but he still scumreads sl for this, aka it's a reason to scumread him (foe Rels). Except that it isn't, because that's a townie thing to do regardless of what sicklucker normally does (take away the HF part since i don't remember how sicklucker reacted to something HF said).
There was also one post from Skynx. I can dig it up if you want to but this was a thing that jumped on me.
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