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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:07 GMT
#727
On June 15 2017 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On June 15 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:14 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I also don't see why Ruxxar is mafia. More likely lynchbait.

It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities.

^
This.

Now people are killing him because he said his top town read was Sicklucker.

Who is voting him for that reason?

That was the impression I got.

The closest I could find was you pressuring him over the read and other people calling him out for too easily believing SL's cop claim.

Looking over, the main reason people are scum reading him is over saying that he liked Disfo's post, which was kind of a strange post to like because it had no content.

But I don't think this is a bad response at all for the post that he made:

On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting?

Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there.
First post conf town, goos shit there.
Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other??
Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter.

Very good post here.


It's not the content as much as the tone and structure.
Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern.

I'd give that a slight town read.


I don't think he's mafia. He has a confidence to his posts that I like.

He not only believed sl's cop claim (which was made a post after sl said the tl meta is to piss people off and get reads) he used the cop claim to say we should lynch into ever and then sl if ever comes up green.

He then has the inconsistency that koshi explained for him giving him an easy out. This is circumstantial of course and not that strong.

He then comes into the thread after a wagon has formed on koshi and says 'i read koshis filter he's scum' with no explanation until he was pressured into giving one.

He then (after the votes are on him) goes on to say that sicklucker who has like 4 posts with 0 content is his top town because scum wouldn't fake claim cop as though he hadn't noticed that everyone took it as a joke.


Exactly. Why would that be his gameplan as mafia?
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.

On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 15 2017 04:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
I eagerly await your explanation of sicklucker as your top town. I understand phone posting is shitty so i will wait for a keyboard


This one is easy to explain.

Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia.

If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch.

I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia.

It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town.

All these 3 posts are more likely coming from a genuine townie than a mafia failing to blend in.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:08 GMT
#729
His filter actually reads really clean. I don't think he is mafia. More so than fefe and TW.
3)Palmar
4)Rels
11)raynpelikoneet
12)Xatalos
13)AMG
14)marvellosity
15)Grackaroni
18)annul
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince

Good stuff.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:13 GMT
#735
On June 15 2017 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
You really think that amount of tonedeafness is towny koshi?

It's not townie, like it doesn't buy him towncred. I just believe it comes from a townie rather than a mafia. I don't like to say it like this but I will: He looks more like a newb being happy and trying to play to game, than a veteran mafia player pretending to be clueless and gathering activity and steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Now I don't know how a newb mafia player would play, but I don't think I have seen them play like Ruxxar is playing here.



And I saw he already has some games under his belt but I just don't see it atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:25 GMT
#741
If we combine reads and not lynch our townreads we probably would get far Vivax.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:26 GMT
#742
HF being cancer is nothing new. I am afk when he is in the thread. I'll quickly come back before bed.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 22:59 GMT
#778
On June 15 2017 06:35 Holyflare wrote:
Like if you're going to scum read someone at least pretend you've read what they write? Even a little bit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:04 GMT
#779
On June 15 2017 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).

Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.

Then there is this:
On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.

I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.

Another dude suspicious is disformation. First there is the Koshi thing where disformation basically went like "i agree this post is scummy but let me decide later after Koshi posts more if this post is actually scummy or not". That's fucking bullshit. You either think some post makes someone scum (if you call a post scummy) or you dont. A post doesn't become more scummy AFTER person has posted SOMETHING ELSE. That's a huge leap of logic, basically saying post A is scummy (or not) based on to-be-come-posts B and C.

Another thing that raises my eyebrows is this:
On June 14 2017 22:22 disformation wrote:
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On June 14 2017 22:20 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar

Yeah. Why not.

oh right, the other dude who hasnt answered a good question asked of/to/from/of him


What does disformation actually wanna do this game? Apparently his top scum read (or 3p read, i don't even fucking know) votes for someone who hasn't posted basically anything. disformation decides that "because Palmar didn't do something when he wasn't here" he might be scummy. wooo woooo! And people call this dude one of their top town reads. What has he actually done despite being here a lot and posting a lot? What a joke.




Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was).

Tumblewood on the other hand didn't care to answer me afaik. Well now it doesn't matter, since it was about his comment on DF. Now i wont get anything out of it anyways so i have to judge him later. I didn't like how he approached the DF opening.

Xatalos is again being super antagonizing towards me. Can't fucking see the obvious while we have talked about this very same thing after basically every game where he decides to tunnel me (which is 100% of the last 2 yr games...). Unfortunately i think he's town though, i don't really think he would have this approach towards me (agreeing with HF based on fucking bullshit points) if he was mafia, since there is a chance i blow up on him and with certain people in the game ther ARE people who can see what is bullshit and what is not. I think he just genuinely believes in what he says about me, so to the ignorelist.

Skynx is most likely town. No need to repeat what others have said.

Vivax is so far the most level headed person in the game. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but he is town.

Palmar is most likely town for making the correct read (that he should make) there. I mean it's not even unlikely he would make the Vivax town read as mafia but given the game stance at the point i would think he would have more interest in calling me mafia and whatever i say paint it as "well you can't read me", just to fuck with me.

VayneAuthority is town.

btdt feels town. Idk he feels like he is just all over the place and completely lost in what he should think. Basically i jsut don't think he has a team behind him.

I don't think Koshi is mafia. Holyflare could be right in that he is 3p but i don't care about it right now. I think he has some smart posts. That's enough for me for now.

Damdred reads meehh... I gotta revisit his filter tomorrow. I am getting too tired today. I don't remember anything annul said, could be mafia. I don't know why people townread darthfoley, because i don't see any good posts from him that i remember. Another one to revisit tomorrow. Everyone else i don't remember anything about basically if they have posted.




I didn't even think i need to say this but don't be retarded and think someone is mafia because of what they didn't do when they weren't here. Think with your own brain and don't buy Holyflare's bullshit (yes man, that's fucking bullshit - a lot of what you said is just straight out bullshit regardless of your affiliation and regardless of if you even realize it or not). Think with your own brain.

I have a hard time dealing with being called out by half of the game because i happened to have to work 5:30 - 23:30 and some dumbass misconstrued what i said into fit his "this guy is scum" -narrative. I just don't like it, but i am trying to deal with it. Now excuse me i need to take a shower and wake up in 4 hours to work possibly only 14 hours. Fortunately i don't have to decide who to vote for until tomorrow evening.

peace

Oh goodie. I am going to scrap rayn of my list. Almost the same reads as I have. And he is on ok with Vivax his disfo read. I didn't pay enough attention to disfo tbh. But yeah, he is 100% in my blindspot. I will reread disfo tomorrow.


3)Palmar
4)Rels
12)Xatalos
13)AMG
14)marvellosity
15)Grackaroni
18)annul
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:20 GMT
#782
I am going to bed. after 1AM atm.
I think it is not a bad thing to look at disfo.

I just opened his filter and I don't think he is mafia. He and Xata have somewhat similar playstyles as town. Always very involved in the moment but not in a leadership kinda way. More like a right hand figure. But as mafia they can't bring the right hand figure thing like the snake guy in lord of the rings who whispered bad things in the king his ear.

So at this point disfo is doing that. Just a lot of noise on ongoing events but not leadership worthy things. Like he has so many comments on HF/Koshi related stuff. While Xatalos is not doing that at all. He is way more reserved about his talking topics, the best example is his complete lack of interest in HF/Koshi related stuff.

So I am still going to call disfo town and Xata potential scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:25 GMT
#784
The above post second line was directed to darthfoley btw.
And you get all credit for those 3 scumreads because you singled them out way faster than I did.

Just match our reads with Vivax/rayn because they are on par with each other as well.

I think we 4 can be a pretty decent town circle atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:34 GMT
#786
##unvote
##vote Xatalos


I think I can see him flip mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 07:33 GMT
#826
On June 15 2017 12:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi, if you think HF is town why is Xatalos' "uninterest" in talking about Koshi/HF scummy? I mean what do you see there? If he is scum and you two are not why would he not talk about it? Xatalos has a tendency to waffle from post to another (like in a post-what-comes-to-mind sort of way) as either alignment. Imo for him as mafia that would be a perfect topic to do what he usually does - and then get nowhere.

Also what's with the disfo read? I know very well disformation is super duper waffly as town aswell. But i am not talking about that in my read. I am more into the mindset of approaching certain situations. Its not "idk what to think" or "i change my mind" but rather the starting point of dealing with something is already completely off (as per what i said in my post yesterday).

Xatalos can't bring his town waffle to the breakfast table because as scum he doesn't have the ingredients. So instead he cherry picks other topics to talk about. I think as scum he can't continuously talk about something like he can as town. It's hard to waffle with tmi.

I'll reread what you said about disfo but I don't think he is mafia. Or I really don't want to lynch him D1.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 07:38 GMT
#827
Saying something extremely incorrect that you know can get blow up in your face in not mafia aligned at all.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 07:43 GMT
#829
I am going to rethink this game in silence.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 08:39 GMT
#836
Keep ignoring him. Towns best pages in this game were when HF wasn't here. Let's build on that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 09:09 GMT
#863
Vivax, it is ok if you completely ignore HF.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 09:56 GMT
#888
On June 15 2017 18:49 disformation wrote:
@Rels: was looking at your reeds list again. not sure why you want to lynch marv, ruxxar and eversince over me from that. you also forgot to mention AMG, who also hasnt posted yet.
@koshi: anything new from your silent corner?

No. I am just wondering who HF will misconstrue next. As rayn putted it so nicely. Koshi, rayn and vivax.

What story are we going to get now? Exciting times.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 10:00 GMT
#891
I am really happy where I am atm.

3)Palmar
12)Xatalos
13)AMG
14)marvellosity
15)Grackaroni
18)annul
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince

Maybe I'll try to remove Palmar or sicklucker next.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 10:02 GMT
#892
On June 15 2017 19:00 disformation wrote:
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On June 15 2017 16:40 disformation wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:17 disformation wrote:
think i am getting an headache.
i am not sure I like hf's post on koshi. the case one. i feel like hf is overdramatizing some points.
on the other hand i am not sure i like kohsis response either.
[...]

also since around that time i am not sure if i want a koshi lynch anymore.
more like gut feeling tbh.

not feeling that good about a hoshi lynch, but i feel the votes on him are good motivation for him to keep posting. =D

Tell me exactly why I am mafia? Because it is kinda weird as fuck that you stopped mafia reading me because somebody made a case on me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 10:07 GMT
#894
Read btdt his filter again because he feels icky. But he is more likely town. I like how he brought back the questions in the Damdred exchange.
On June 14 2017 23:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 14 2017 23:00 Damdred wrote:
Hi friends,

I am taking a super simplified approach this game so my posts are not misconstrued.

Rayn is possible scum, his posts lacked the real fire and drive I am use to seeing amd his defense of koshi was bad. His responses to hf were also sort of to tame and accommodating to make me see town.

Btdt has me scratching my head currently, on one hand I did like the posts that koshi pointed out. But one post that was basically fear mongering about hf scum capabilities over rayn left me feeling a bit empty and concerned about his game state.

Ruxxar seems to be commenting on things in a hit and miss style while not really engaging in many back and forth(?). If that makes sense. I'd probably not say scum necessarily but I don't like him.

Xata isn't really being inquisitive or post. Also seems to just want to go with the flow, sort of see this coming from scum xata just super boring.

FF, disf are both sorta strong town reads though. Hf is sort of a moderate to low.

Besides that idk what I'm doing

I did not do any fearmongering.
+ Show Spoiler [post in question] +

On June 14 2017 22:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 14 2017 22:36 darthfoley wrote:
On June 14 2017 21:28 annul wrote:
On June 14 2017 21:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 14 2017 20:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 14 2017 20:55 annul wrote:
On June 14 2017 20:50 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 14 2017 20:50 annul wrote:
On June 14 2017 17:53 disformation wrote:
@koshi: if you are SK 1v1 me at night!


soft veteran claim?

blue hunting?


is it really hunting if someone uses a line like that

Why ignore the hf vs. rayn because koshi thing though?

hey annul


who says i am ignoring it? commenting on A does not equal ignoring B.


not commenting on B, when B is the most common thing in the thread, is essentially ignoring B.

In order to not achieve levels of irony, I think HF is more likely to be town than rayn atm. Rayn doesn't seem nearly as aggressive or standoff-ish right now. He's basically just defending himself and not really pushing back at HF. Like there's a difference between answering every question you're asked and just saying "fuck you, i'm not answering any more of your shit." I don't sense the passion + Show Spoiler +
or rage
that I usually associate with typical town rayn.

I've liked a few of the inconsistencies HF has pointed out in rayn's play.

Like in a HF vs. Rayn world I'd always lynch HF over rayn simply because of scum capabilities
but right now HF is doing everything and having good points and rayn is not here

So far I like HF's "lets wagon koshi and rayn" thing. Koshi's defense feels lackluster, like he's not interested at all. which matches his initial approach (where he said "*pats HF on the back of his head*").

And rayn didn't react at all.
Both are capable of leading town.
Both don't.

On the contrary. I am saying "HF is a good scummer. But so far, he seems super town. The other two guys with the good town reputation though are not living up to it", which is basically what you say about rayn - "sort of to tame and accommodating to make me see town."

Why are you agreeing with HF on Rayn but putting him on a "moderate to low" read? Doesn't make sense. The hf vs rayn because of Koshi thing is basically why you scumread rayn. Why not townread the guy who brought it up initially?


I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 15 2017 10:08 GMT
#895
On June 15 2017 19:06 Vivax wrote:
I think I would be happy with an eversince lynch today. Feels kind of dickish to lynch someone who rarely plays but mafia is mafia.

That huge post reads like she's arguing that HF is mafia pushing Koshi to watch town burn from his golden throne but never actually calls HF mafia. Even in the tl;dr post all we get is an argument for HF being able to be both and we're supposed to draw our own conclusions from

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HF thinks Koshi is anti-town. Decide HF motive yourself. Koshi needs to be more vocal about his opinions. If Koshi gets lynched by the town for not being productive then fine. If he gets mis-lynched because thread sentiment makes it easy


Which btw looks like a Koshi town spew deluxe.

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(after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.)


And this line in the first big post is just lulzy. Openly thinking about how to get townread, ok? Seems like a feeling of regret for not being around to get into the town pile.

Haha nice catch. I like you this game Vivax.
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