|
On July 01 2017 00:41 ruXxar wrote:
There's more than enough material here to vote for you.
The meta was just to satisfy my last bit of doubt.
that's like so bad
I got mislynched D1 and received Worst Town Play 2017 award nomination
I got mislynched in my last game because I yelled at people and was as fearless as I am in this game
if you'd put in the fucking work you'd realize im exactly playing to my town meta
if you'd put in tthe fucking work you'd realize my scum meta is where I am rational, cold, and super tactical
if only you'd put in the fucking work
if only your brain would be capable of doing that
but it's not
sad
sad
sad town
|
On July 01 2017 00:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself? Nah. See this is why this town is so shitty. Literally the worst. I do expect carry points and apologies post game because with my flip, you confirm two scummers you'll kiss my buttcheeks once the game is over How about you build a solid case on people we should lynch instead of you. So far I'm not convinced.
okay, so you haven't even read what I wrote.
VA is a fake claim. Fake. Claim. There's a strongman in. VA claimed to have shot sicklucker but scum rolecopped and strongmaned sicklucker. no kp happened besides that because roleblocker down and chez was attacked. Remember, chez = vet, so they had to shoot twice but we STILL HAD ONE KP EACH NIGHT
disfo with the strongman TMI is scum all the way, he speculated all game long about that and derailed the thread quite heavily with it.
VA has 4 pages of filter and has not read the game nor did he participate; all he did was claiming vig and that's it. Lurky scum. Disfo is the active scum. and then there's one more of course.
|
On July 01 2017 00:45 disformation wrote:
well there was this one themed game. disfo town. btdt scum.
first he tried to get me to tilt.
then later send me a msg (via game mechanic) and claims cop with a green check on me to me.
i cover for him with a lie about the message when some townies were looking angrily at him.
because of the lie he thinks the hosts screwed over his plan with that message and ragequits for a cycle.
in the end he won for bussing a team mate very hard.
though he also fake claimed a cop with a fake red check as vt in a newbie game.
yep, that last part got the doc and me lynched.
This is not really what happened. I averted those townies on my own and I didn't have too much specific pressure on me. You were just buying it all day and night long and never believed I was scum. As I said in the beginning of the game, it's super easy to pocket you and the fact that I raged all game long in your direction should be a huge towntell to you. Especially since I'm not tilting you. We're kinda grinding against each other until we (mainly I) explode. That's a huge difference.
|
On July 01 2017 00:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:43 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:41 ruXxar wrote:
There's more than enough material here to vote for you.
The meta was just to satisfy my last bit of doubt. I got mislynched D1 and received Worst Town Play 2017 award nomination I got mislynched in my last game because I yelled at people and was as fearless as I am in this game if you'd put in the fucking work you'd realize im exactly playing to my town meta if you'd put in tthe fucking work you'd realize my scum meta is where I am rational, cold, and super tactical if only you'd put in the fucking work if only your brain would be capable of doing that but it's not sad sad sad town Insulting me is not really going to help.
Ok
I got mislynched D1 and received Worst Town Play 2017 award nomination
I got mislynched in my last game because I yelled at people and was as fearless as I am in this game
down to the facts
go check them
|
On July 01 2017 00:48 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:48 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:45 disformation wrote:
well there was this one themed game. disfo town. btdt scum.
first he tried to get me to tilt.
then later send me a msg (via game mechanic) and claims cop with a green check on me to me.
i cover for him with a lie about the message when some townies were looking angrily at him.
because of the lie he thinks the hosts screwed over his plan with that message and ragequits for a cycle.
in the end he won for bussing a team mate very hard.
though he also fake claimed a cop with a fake red check as vt in a newbie game. yep, that last part got the doc and me lynched. This is not really what happened. I averted those townies on my own and I didn't have too much specific pressure on me. You were just buying it all day and night long and never believed I was scum. As I said in the beginning of the game, it's super easy to pocket you and the fact that I raged all game long in your direction should be a huge towntell to you. Especially since I'm not tilting you. We're kinda grinding against each other until we (mainly I) explode. That's a huge difference. um. wat?
Okay. You got one chance. I am right now ready to talk to you. If you choose to say "um. wat?" to me instead of an actual reply, I'll stop that straight away. I don't need a discussion to escalate once more with a scum disformation who isn't really interested in in-depth discussions anayways.
Your choice.
|
On July 01 2017 00:50 disformation wrote:
dude you are insulting me left and right on daily basis starting like day 3?
where are you not trying your hardest to tilt me?
We discuss things. Your reactions clearly show that your wrong and you are scumreading me for cheap reasons. At some point you even dropped the weak points you had prior to last EoD and relied solely on my per se not scummy EoD to vote me. You interpret me in the worst way possible and you do not even consider the possibility that I am town.
It is super hard for me to discuss against that brick wall since I know I'm quite the insecure person when it comes down to my own mafia capabilities. I do not think I'm a good player but I didn't want to be all whiney about that like I was in the newbie game because that got me mislynched.
I think my decisions for my actions where decent and I am refusing to not think so. I put my own ingame life at risk (well, unknowingly) because I was sure Skynx would make a mistake and confirm himself as scum. If I hadn't taken that risk, I'd be fine and dandy. I'd probably be discussing a Rels lynch right now and I guess I'd still be tunneled on Skynx.
|
In the meantime, while you do the main work pushing me, people like rayn get away with a super cheap vote on me. People like BH get away with planned shennanies that are clearly scum-indicative. Rels gets away with being a super close counter wagon to town, just like the Xata and Annul wagons D1. VA gets away with 4 pages of filter. He has contributed 4 pages to thus far 322 pages of game, his claim is clearly a fake and disformation's talk points heavily to him TMI'ing.
I didn't know about the Star Wars game so it's entirely possible that disfo is town, after all. I gotta admit that besides VA, I am not sure about anyone anymore. Maybe the correct approach to this game is to fully reset after I flipped. Completely reset, go back through my filter, read my checks, and see if you get any intel out of them. Town has been wrong ever since Xata flipped.
We should ask questions like
- Who didn't care at all about the Grack lynch? Who let it happen?
- Who disappears for the majority of time and only comes back when it's somewhat needed to push the threads slightly into a certain direction?
Like, don't go for "this is scummy" anymore and then chop up the specific situation until everyone is raged. Instead, re-read the game. Go back to Grack flip, read the day from then on. Maybe even earlier. Maybe Ruxxar didn't "bait scum" like he claimed when he unvoted Xata. Maybe he tried to not vote scum and in case he would've gained traction, he could've saved scum RB.
There are lots and lots of hints in this game. Maybe even in Tumblewood's filter.
Use them.
|
On July 01 2017 00:54 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:46 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:43 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 00:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:40 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself? Nah. See this is why this town is so shitty. Literally the worst. I do expect carry points and apologies post game because with my flip, you confirm two scummers you'll kiss my buttcheeks once the game is over How about you build a solid case on people we should lynch instead of you. So far I'm not convinced. okay, so you haven't even read what I wrote. VA is a fake claim. Fake. Claim. There's a strongman in. VA claimed to have shot sicklucker but scum rolecopped and strongmaned sicklucker. no kp happened besides that because roleblocker down and chez was attacked. Remember, chez = vet, so they had to shoot twice but we STILL HAD ONE KP EACH NIGHT disfo with the strongman TMI is scum all the way, he speculated all game long about that and derailed the thread quite heavily with it. VA has 4 pages of filter and has not read the game nor did he participate; all he did was claiming vig and that's it. Lurky scum. Disfo is the active scum. and then there's one more of course. Ok, so this is my view of the world. There is a strongman in the scum. Chez is veteran, needs 2kp to die. Mafia has 2kp first two nights, 2 towns die each night. Day 3 SL is nk. Day 4 Chez is nk. Chez is veteran. VA claims vigi, shot SL. 1 mafia kp is missing. Next night chez died, all mafia kp is accounted for. Can you explain your version in the same way. Explain it like I'm a 5 year old.
Day 3, Mafia has only 1 KP left. And they have Strongarm, a mechanic that allows them to kill a blue through all protection, an additional, one-time KP.
What happens in the night phase is:
1. Mafia attack Chez with the regular KP
2. Mafia, who had rolecopped sicklucker previously, used Strongman on Sicklucker.
Chez survives the night, some players rejoice and go as far as thanking scum for the seeming KP because "the kill didn't make sense at all from scum perspective". This is the very moment of VA. VA, who had not participated in the game in any way before yet somehow managed to always cast his vote (Note: he was D1 outside of Xata/Annul, but D2 super early on the Grack wagon AND he joined BH's shenanigans (or voted Rels even before that, I didn't check timestamps)).
VA takes the risk and claims Vigilante, 1-shot. And remember, a vig is a investigative role after all.
There is no vig in, though. It's a fakeclaim, and because no vig is in, nobody bothered with it. But the setup is:
* Watcher
* Parity Cop
* Town Tracker
* Veteran
vs.
* Scum Tracker
* Rolecop
* Roleblocker
* Framer?
* GF/Untrackable?
Plus the additional KP and the Strongman.
To limit the power of the investigatives, at least one (Koshi) unaware Miller is in, maybe even more, plus the unaware Wanderer (darthfoley), maybe even more.
This is the setup. Only uncertainty are the remaining scum roles.
|
On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker?
Yeah but I agree it's no must
On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5
Strongman = additional KP, not a role
On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote:
Another thing.
If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?
Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.
Why didn't you push VA earlier?
I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip.
|
Also I had lost complete track of everyone besides Skynx. I was super sure Skynx was scum so I didn't even consider others being scum besides Palmar of course.
|
On July 01 2017 01:59 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also I had lost complete track of everyone besides Skynx. I was super sure Skynx was scum so I didn't even consider others being scum besides Palmar of course. Can you explain why VA can't simply be the vigi?
Because
Watcher
Tracker
Vet
Vig
Parity Cop
Would be imbalanced.
|
On July 01 2017 02:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
So why is it a strongman and not a scum vig btdt? In your world you haven't even considered that
That's a good point
I'm mainly in the strongman world because disfo is all over it and I think it's a TMI slip
scum vig would make total sense, with the chance of a scum tracker to find potential vig targets faster?
the double KP is what I don't understand in the equation yet
|
On July 01 2017 02:15 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker? Yeah but I agree it's no must On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5 Strongman = additional KP, not a role On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote:
Another thing.
If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?
Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.
Why didn't you push VA earlier? I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip. Wouldn't you say it makes less sense to have 2 "tracker roles" than a vigi and a tracker role?
I think that's what the wanderer is in for, and maybe we have more than one wanderer. Makes the game more swingy I guess but it's definitely possible.
|
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff
That's my understanding of Strongman.
On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff This is what I got from mafia wiki: Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider. Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.
From the same source:
"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."
It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.
QED -> Strongman additional KP.
|
And actually that explains the additional KP. three investigatives distributed over like 17 players, with a pool of 22, with 2(-4?) targets that can be misleading.
|
On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff That's my understanding of Strongman. On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff This is what I got from mafia wiki: Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider. Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP. From the same source: "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered. Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet. QED -> Strongman additional KP. "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.
In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in.
In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.
|
And I do not believe in a world where VA is Vig, a Watcher, a Tracker and a Parity cop is in. That means: VA is scum.
If you do not believe me here, no problem, as long as you lynch VA with fire after I flip blue.
|
(and disfo for the TMI because without him, I wouldn't be speculating about a strongman here)
|
Seriously, guys. Lynch VA. Lynch disformation. This is the go-to solution to this game.
If you lynch me, you'll be in lylo with like one mislynch left? or none even? and you still got people like Rels on the list whose alignment is by far not clear. And even disformation isn't locked scum once I flip (although chances are pretty high).
|
On July 01 2017 02:24 disformation wrote:okay cupcakes lets cake some cups
Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:48 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:45 disformation wrote:
well there was this one themed game. disfo town. btdt scum.
first he tried to get me to tilt.
then later send me a msg (via game mechanic) and claims cop with a green check on me to me.
i cover for him with a lie about the message when some townies were looking angrily at him.
because of the lie he thinks the hosts screwed over his plan with that message and ragequits for a cycle.
in the end he won for bussing a team mate very hard.
though he also fake claimed a cop with a fake red check as vt in a newbie game. yep, that last part got the doc and me lynched. This is not really what happened. I averted those townies on my own and I didn't have too much specific pressure on me. You were just buying it all day and night long and never believed I was scum. As I said in the beginning of the game, it's super easy to pocket you and the fact that I raged all game long in your direction should be a huge towntell to you. Especially since I'm not tilting you. We're kinda grinding against each other until we (mainly I) explode. That's a huge difference. what is that to be supposed to then: Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 17:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
really take your salty comments and take them to a location where nobody cares about them because I am sick of people having 50 pages of filter yet having contributed nothing of value expect confirming themselves as town
and with "people" I mean you esp. after i mentioned earlier this game that i absolutely hate ppl saying i did nothing.
Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
In the meantime, while you do the main work pushing me, people like rayn get away with a super cheap vote on me. People like BH get away with planned shennanies that are clearly scum-indicative. Rels gets away with being a super close counter wagon to town, just like the Xata and Annul wagons D1. VA gets away with 4 pages of filter. He has contributed 4 pages to thus far 322 pages of game, his claim is clearly a fake and disformation's talk points heavily to him TMI'ing.
I didn't know about the Star Wars game so it's entirely possible that disfo is town, after all. I gotta admit that besides VA, I am not sure about anyone anymore. Maybe the correct approach to this game is to fully reset after I flipped. Completely reset, go back through my filter, read my checks, and see if you get any intel out of them. Town has been wrong ever since Xata flipped.
We should ask questions like
- Who didn't care at all about the Grack lynch? Who let it happen?
- Who disappears for the majority of time and only comes back when it's somewhat needed to push the threads slightly into a certain direction?
Like, don't go for "this is scummy" anymore and then chop up the specific situation until everyone is raged. Instead, re-read the game. Go back to Grack flip, read the day from then on. Maybe even earlier. Maybe Ruxxar didn't "bait scum" like he claimed when he unvoted Xata. Maybe he tried to not vote scum and in case he would've gained traction, he could've saved scum RB.
There are lots and lots of hints in this game. Maybe even in Tumblewood's filter.
Use them. nice adise. i think you had more good advise today: Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself? cause so far today you have spent nearly all time yelling at people, insulting people, faking a claim, appealing to emotion a bit and dropped all reads today. well, beside me and va.
You said a few times that i am not willing to reconsider and stuff. but wait what is this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 00:13 disformation wrote:
unvoting for a second.
need to think and then i proceeded to look at the setup and at your claimed actions and came to the realization that you are 100% fake claiming.
which brings me to the setup you are claiming: Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 01:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
[...]
* Watcher
* Parity Cop
* Town Tracker
* Veteran
[...]
now let me put out my hosting balance notes, again: Show nested quote +How to Balance 101 - the Palmar way (confirmations/number of days)
Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.
Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2.
Delayed checks (like gunsmith over a vig, or a parity DT) can help with this if you want to multiply inv roles.
Make sure the number of EVs doesn't exceed 20 percent.
(4 against 19 town is 21% for this game but this is still not really bad).
EVs (or negative EVs) are passive roles such as godfather (untrackable/check immune), ninja (untrackable but still returns red), wanderer, miller.
For a given number of blues, you need to consider adding either a mafia rolecop to eliminate the sheer threat of blue roles or an anti-blue claim mechanism (such as a factional strongman, soup kills, etc). Consider whether there is a tracker before you decide on the mechanism. You can also allow such mechanisms to happen during the day.
(there's more to this, but we takled about a lot) in btdt's world we have: parity cop tracker watcher so in the mechanical worst case for scum: n1: watcher finds 1st scum tracker finds 2nd scum n2: watcher finds 3rd scum tracker finds 4th scum parity cop finds 5th scum all 5 scum found start of d3. Show nested quote +Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.
Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2. so unless 1eg and hats made an unbalance game on purpose, it is impossible for btdt to be a watcher. i also got these very notes from hats and i find it unlikely she would put on a setup like that.
i conclude you are scum that tried to get out of pressure by fake claiming and messed up hard. and i dont see any reason to vote anyone else.
I think we can absolutely agree that my play hasn't been the most polite of all. But when shit catches fire, that's how I react. I do prefer the aggressiveness way over passive play, and you need to acknowledge that the last time I raged as scum, it was genuine rage and I quit the game for quite some time. I absolutely don't rage as scum. On the contrary, I tend to be lurky as scum, I'm not a game driver by any means.
As town however, I'm super careless because 1) that is a town trait, 2) I don't need to fear any investigation night or day, 3) having "wrong" reads is completely okay, I am allowed to do that and only scum has perfect information.
So it is super frustrating for me to get scumread for things and moves that I deem to be super good, especially (and yes, partially that's my own fault) if it happens in a harsh way. Like Skynx saying I'm town by saying "wow this is so fucked up so stupid this cannot possibly come from scum", same was expressed by ruxxar(? or rayn?, don't recall exactly).
I think I yell at you, disfo, because I expected you as the most active person in this game to either agree with me or at least put up a reasonable discussion about what is happening.
Regarding the setup speculations and the host notes that you're putting up: when it comes to balance, there are super different opinions around. I sent my setups for Generic II to Kitaman and Foolishness for balance approval and I received different answers. Then, it's entirely possible for Onegu to have a setup and HtS nodding to that with maybe some adjustions - but you cannot possibly know which adjustions were taken.
If you boil it down to "The setup you say it is, btdt, is not a setup I believe in", then you need to realize that you are biased in your decision and your opinion is preformed. Your following someone who is a) not in the game b) has no possibility to confirm/deny what you assume and c) it is potentially outdated. You don't even know what "large" exactly is defined at, a large game can be anything outside of the 13 player mini setup up to the 123213players, I don't know the maximum.
My setup is not only balanced, it also explains why we had a sicklucker flip. It all matches, the pieces go together flawlessly: the rolecop, the strongman, the claim, it's 100% the world we live in.
The hardest question for me right now is if disfo is indeed the scum I think he is for the TMI or if he is indeed the town I want him to be for sheer efforts.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
