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On June 17 2017 01:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 19:32 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 19:22 Vivax wrote:On June 16 2017 19:18 darthfoley wrote:
Palmar may be 3p. Maybe even Koshi trying to be pro-Town 3p. Idk and I'm not sure it matters atm
Think lots of scum lies between ES, Grack, TW, sl, Rels, HF or Vixax. Still waiting for rayn to scumhunt which is concerning. I need to reread btdt and disformation. Hopefully tonight's actions resolve some issues. Unfortunately I'll probably be dead lol Bolded all the townies you're calling scum. So why has eversince become scum to you now just for EoD stuff? I don't think the posts were that much worse than what she already had posted before so the progression doesn't really make sense. And lul @ you dying tonight Read my case, she's well scummy. Basically: She hadn't put a vote down all cycle and miraculously appears at deadline to vote and afk again. I know the deadline time. I had a choice to just afk it. Why would I come back "miraculously at deadline" make myself look terrible, and still basically RNG my vote on one of 3 people who only Xata was being discussed as a lynch when i was here last?She has spent 0 of the game calling anyone mafia. I spent 0 time doing anything this game really. You know aside from trying to put in my two cents for the two? hours that I was here.Her only read which she doesn't even explicitly state is koshi is town/3p and by virtue of that post me as mafia trying to shit fight rayn/koshi. Was I wrong? You and Koshi are still bickering. You and Vivax went into a bickering fight over me later too. Rayn wasn't around for you to fight.She comes back and sees my case on SL (me, her mafia read) and instead of saying no because she thinks I'm mafia she says no because there's not enough time to kill SL. Previous post Then, since she is implying she agrees with the SL case but won't vote him she votes for the exact wagon SL started!!! She had a choice between sheeping her town read koshi on his wagon or following a wagon with her new found appreciation for SL being mafia. She sheeps that one instead. I didn't think he was even an option. I had all of 5ish mins?Then she leaves again. Yeah, I kind of cost myself all the free time I was suppose to have for this game. That's for post game though.
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And I think it shouldn't matter so much on who I followed to begin with.
If you want to say I'm mafia for voting blind, say that.
But don't say I did/didn't do it because of some read I was holding onto after my first post in thread at deadline was that I was at a point where my opinion didn't matter. I had a vote and it was either blind or no-vote.
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On June 17 2017 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
You can't have just afkd, that's a bs excuse. You have not voted anyone previously and would have potentially faced mod action.
I don't know a single one of your reads the entire game.
Meh, I don't want mod-killed. Which is the reason I bothered. I don't care if you believe me or not.
It wasn't in the interest of the game to let it happen, despite the fact I might die for it instead of taking the warning, here we are.
Grack, Damdred, TW, BTDT, Marv's slot, and AMG slot are all in the 'I can't be bothered to read your post, you don't post, or you simply space my current train of thought'
I don't like HF any better.
I don't like Koshi as until very close to deadline he seemed to very much be going back and forth between Annul/Xata both mafia to Just Xata.
Vivax is weird to me. The fight between you and him over phrasing is pretty dumb. And the eod stuff about me is dumb. There is a lot more reasonable things I think you could pick apart about my play thus far. Low hanging fruit is easy though.
SL I don't like for bending my words from "I think he was trolling" to "top town" I don't know how I feel about going into annul lynch yet, seems some of annul was fine and some was meh. The post immediately after deadline was enough for me to guess with some certainty he was town. Also he tends to spam in one liners and make my head hurt trying to read through.
VA is another ? mark I think more people should look at. He made 2 in-character post. The second big one he claims he's going to "save innocents" and votes Skinx and doesn't give any legible input on any of the wagons I can remember.
Palmar looks terrible to me but everyone seems to agree he just does w/e so one liners with no explanation must be good enough.
Rels is meh/ok I guess aside from being afkish (I'm one to talk)
Xata is confusing right now because I don't remember a lot leading up to it. Reads something or other being out there and the only one I can think of is maby Rayn? That was way early in D1 though and yes, he went back and forth on it but a lot of people did.
Disfo is active and chatty but like everyone else has pointed out: doesn't lead to many places.
DF is ok,
FF is ok,
Rayn is ok,
Skinx is ok
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On June 15 2017 22:05 Skynx wrote:
I prolly forgot to mention it earlier but disfo is top town until end of this game, you should slow down otherwise you're dead tonight bro.
@ skinx
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Oh, that made me remember I think Disfo? also been claiming to want to fight at night. Not sure what that means though.
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Ah well see, if it's out of context that probably because I read through that like almost 40 hours ago.
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@ HF Yeah, what does continued fighting with Koshi do for the thread? Got it. You think he's still 3p. You might be right. But hating on eachother left and right is just random clutter in the thread. And you both do it.
Vivax I am kind of willing to give you a break on simply because if I put myself in the situation I can see it.
I type slow and obviously worded it bad but it took up like 2-3 pg? That doesn't make me feel better when I thought I was being obvious enough. It devolved into a fight between if I formulated a read after I posted your case. Because I answered into the thread before I started typing longer winded replies because if you can't tell by my posting now, I'm slow.
Seemed pretty stupid.
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On June 17 2017 02:41 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, but that's nothing to do with you and everything to do with me reading vivax. That's all you have to do in these games, understand whether the top town people that can lead town are town and work your way from there. Pointless bickering is absolutely my mafia meta but absolutely none of what I've done this game has been pointless bickering.
I understand that. Maby it's biased opinion carried over from first half of D1. I don't think pestering someone who is clearly not changing or even willing to see it from your perspective is useful past a point. That is the way I saw it
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I don't understand either if you wanted me to consider the wagons as anything more than 'draw straws' The only thing needed to happen would have been accessment of all 3 wagons vs the 1 that I did get. I didn't know there was doubt on Annul until way after the fact.
Why wouldn't you vote to shift someone who you thought was "100% town" or try to lead the claimed blind voter to places you actually wanted?
That's basically the sole reason I just consolidated it instead of picking between the 'follow this if you trust your 30 hr old reads after claiming you weren't going to trust those' or 'SL bullet point'
I didn't get any info on Xata/Annul until I caught up today -.-
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On June 17 2017 03:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 02:53 Eversince wrote:
I don't understand either if you wanted me to consider the wagons as anything more than 'draw straws' The only thing needed to happen would have been accessment of all 3 wagons vs the 1 that I did get. I didn't know there was doubt on Annul until way after the fact.
Why wouldn't you vote to shift someone who you thought was "100% town" or try to lead the claimed blind voter to places you actually wanted?
That's basically the sole reason I just consolidated it instead of picking between the 'follow this if you trust your 30 hr old reads after claiming you weren't going to trust those' or 'SL bullet point'
I didn't get any info on Xata/Annul until I caught up today -.- You could have read any of the posts around the lynch where I repeatedly said annul was town and sl was mafia and then lynched the guy that is probably mafia and didn't have sl on the wagon instead. Maybe I'm being picky but in my eyes you asked for cases and "consolidated" on a wagon for absolutely no reason other than to put a vote down.
I've said a number of times now that's more or less exactly what I did.
I don't read fast and I'm not going to bother to try to read and make sense of the rapid fire post at EoD for no reason other than to say that I did. It wouldn't have told me anything in the grander picture other then everyone is going back and forth everywhere and I still have no idea.
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I think I learned a lot from that. I'm going to have to do some filters and re-evaluations though to make sure I'm not just being stupid.
Sorry for tin foiling hard on you guys HF/Kosher  I promise I'll try my bestest to make up for it!
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I'm no town leader and if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again. So this is my gift for you town.
I'm 99.65535% convinced of it.
SL, TW, Xata, Grack and X(Solve X for game) is the mafia team.
Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia.
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On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, EversinceXatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, VivaxKoshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, TumblewoodSkynx (1): VayneAuthorityruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosityHalf the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
I'm going to bed for a bit now.
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Bolded are wild cards. Green is either confirmed town or spewed town.
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Marv is the only exception I believe. And mainly because I think HF was 100% right in the fact he probably didn't even know the game had begun.
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On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote:
Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia.
I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time.
Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it.
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On June 17 2017 19:30 Xatalos wrote:
One Miller already flipped so I suppose there could be another. Still, the odds are heavily in the favor of disfo being scum.
The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"?
On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote:
Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos. Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead. Heres the thing. Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum. Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess.]/red]
"If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch.
On June 17 2017 19:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:51 disformation wrote:
mh actually i dont think a framer would frame me.
or a cop would check me over like tw or one of the inactives. Yea I'd think the only realistic option would be that you're a second unaware Miller if you're town. Usually there's 2 of them from what I've seen. The odds are low though, like 10% or less. So I'm content our best bet is to just lynch you.
More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today.
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On June 17 2017 19:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:53 disformation wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. nonoonno you always shoot the close counterwagon to scum. you cop check the inactives. hard to read. low volumes. Not really. The lurky players are just a detriment at LYLO anyway, so it's better to kill them off immediately. Whereas somewhat active,[red] but not widely townread players are likely to live until LYLO but it's often hard to tell their alignment so checking is optimal.
So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense.
On June 17 2017 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
But other than that, it's quite unlikely we're both town I agree.
Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head.
On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.
Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while.
On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides. It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it. That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again.
This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious.
##vote: Xatalos
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coindecently I find it really wierd that you're defending this guy right now BTDT
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On June 18 2017 07:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote:On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Chezitwo
yep. So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch Yeah but I found scum :>
You already had scum between Disfo/Xata and Chez's phrasing for "Mafia might very well have a RB" is a garbage reason to say you found scum and vote outside of it.
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On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.
If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you"
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Ok, and there is still 24 hrs he could of just played the game instead of claiming cop. He didn't even try to even do anything. "I dun wanna try even though I'm cop just kill me today ok guys?" Jesus the dude is so mafia. Who the hell roles cop and just rolls over at the start of the day? Fight your damn red check. Oops but wait, he can't. His red check is fake, his target isn't mafia and he knows it. Better hope the town will lynch him first if I play the matyr. Cept he's not even martyr. It's actively just throwing away a town power role for no better reason than to give mafia extra. If that isn't a scum driven agenda I don't know what is.
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I'm never lynching Disfo today. Or probably at all this game because I'm like 99% sure the guy is town.
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