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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 02:40 Conversion wrote:
I'm here.
I'm keeping my vote on Vivax until something else happens
I agree with people that the play is probably lynch Vivax -> watch flip -> go from there.
If he's actually going to do something besides AFK I can change my vote, but I have my doubts
Endorsed
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Blazinghand
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So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first?
Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim.
It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:05 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 21:09 Holyflare wrote:
This game could be really really fun if vivax turns out to be the real cop who green checked bh and is making a logic leap to calling me mafia because that means Tumblewood is mafia.
That's the dream. So you're even paranoid about Tumble's claim not being true although he's un-cc'ed. Or is he and I'm dumb?
Adding on to what I said above, with the lack of crumbs and so on, well... BASICALLY
Vivax's posts overnight:
On June 06 2017 13:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night).
Now what's going to happen is:
You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup.
Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be.
At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.
Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us. Where's your crumb? Here are all the posts you made last night: Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Well I'm not mad cause BH is still mafia. If he is town I will be mad and bad, otherwise I feel no shame for defending fidei. Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 09:17 Vivax wrote:
So whoever wants to prove I'm bad has to lynch BH. 10/10 argument for lynching BH. Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.
Basically Vivax, if he is in fact the cop, it looks like he was checking either me or HF (since we're the people he mentioned overnight). He was talking about me mostly though so the "he checked BH, got Green, and now wants to lynch HF for TMI so is lying as cop" is a possibility. But not super likely. I think if he's cop and he had a green check on me he wouldn't claim a red check on HF.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check.
Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first?
Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim.
It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him. I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one. Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that.
I'm pointing out a hypothetical there buddy, please understand that.
So what, you think Vivax as scum should have open today with a cc of Tumblewood? You are aware that it was explicitly called out and endorsed that "if you are Doc, CC Tumblewood NOW" yesterday?
Remember, Tumblewood claims Doc here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=31#615
So if Vivax is Doctor, he'd know Tumblewood is scum 100% at this point. He appears in the thread and doesn't cc him, in fact he basically ignores him to argue about other things and to push me and HF: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?page=32#634
Now, this is all OBVIOUS. The fact he didn't think Tw's doc claim was a big deal, never threw doubt on it, etc, also when we called for CCs, and so on.
Which means if he counterlcaims D2, he gets lynched instantly.
Don't suggest dumb things.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship
also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?
"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that
"HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo
" a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax.
GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop.
Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship
also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?
"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that "HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo " a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green
So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup.
Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/
I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact.
I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:27 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:22 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super fishy that noone is inclined to believe that claim especially since Vivax just pissed off and doesn't care about this game. I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship
also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right?
"I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that "HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo " a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly. HF is super active and drives the game forward. Vivax is not so super active, has fucked off D2, but I think he had a decent D1. Without the claim: I'd probably lynch neither of them. If I had to choose, I'd lynch Vivax over HF.
Well, we have to choose.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/ I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup.
JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE
THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT
ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN
JUST STOP TALKING
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Blazinghand
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and yes I know kita calls it semi-open but it's semi-closed, he's also wrong.
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Blazinghand
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actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try
sweet mother of mercy
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:28 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote:
if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine
I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/ I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup. JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN JUST STOP TALKING Taken from the OP.
My god,
>----The point--->
----You---
like come on man, the you're arguing semantics because you're just so wrong about everything in setup speculation, just back the heck off and admit you were mistaken
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:
In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?
That's exactly the question we're asking!
So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch?
That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:32 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:
actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try
sweet mother of mercy I'm not saying existence of cop is super confirmed. I'm saying it's likely that there is one given we have a GF. Your argument is "no, it's not likely, most of the time there is a gf in even if there is no cop". We're not talking setup confirmation here. You're putting super weight on that one bit, my main point was "hey, you guys are lynching the un-cc'ed cop, that's not a good idea".
Look dude, a GF's existence is completely independent of whether or not there's a cop in this kind of setup. You're just wrong.
Now, we can talk about whether we should be lynching the super scummy guy who put in no effort and decided to toss out a fakeclaim at the start of D2, but like... come on bro
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:
In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?
should I [big] and [b] this maybe
already replied to it...
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero. Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia. Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies. Bye bye motivation.
Yeah like in fact after the D1 flip I was relieved and happy. Why? Because I was town and like, this was a fuckin awesome D1. Vivax on the other hand seemed... angry? like why? lol
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just one question:
In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?
That's exactly the question we're asking! So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch? That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this. If there's no obvious answer, how are you actively pushing people into "lynch Vivax" instead of making them come to their own conclusions? I get that HF is doing that, he has no other way than doing that, but isn't it SUPER DUPER FISHY that there's absolutely NOONE coming in and saying (besides poor btdt who has probably the worst standing in this thread right after the claimed cop right now) "hey guys thefuck is going on"
I was trying to be a bit respectful to your side there. I'm saying: I understand why you may disagree with me. Please don't question me for trying to be nice.
Also BTDT I don't think you're the scummiest in the thread behind Vivax, not even close. I think it's unlikely to see Scum defending Vivax this uh, unique way.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero. Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia. Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies. Bye bye motivation. mumble mumble yeah makes sensebut I don't want to admit that this makes sense lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit
I mean to be fair, like I said, all things being equal, if HF and Vivax were equally scummy and Vivax claims a red check on HF, the correct move is to lynch HF first. I just don't think all things are equal.
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