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On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 04:08 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to. Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top.
what an incredible misrepresentation
he believes that BH has caught Grack in a lie but that lie could just be Grack being forgetful, so yes, you're absolutely pushing complete bull shit in PB's way
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I'm defending people from useless as fuck cases, not because I think they are town, but because I think they are useless as fuck cases.
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This Vivax push absolutely STINKS.
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1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches.
2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this.
3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do.
4. You haven't mentioned him since.
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Even though all of the above is still in play, I haven't called you mafia, I've been willing to be open about you SO THAT YOU DO OTHER THINGS, which you still refuse to do.
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On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 04:08 Vivax wrote:On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. Btw this post is bad. Assumption that Grack made that play as town and explain why it doesn't come from scum -> Then end up with no conclusion on Grack. Also lots of over-explaining. This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to. Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top.
Can I just highlight how bad this is that Vivax is using it as a scum read.
Nowhere in this post does PB say that he doesn't believe BH thinks Grack is a liar. Not one place.
I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.
Vivax is misconstruing this post to the full extent to put scummy intentions behind PB's posts. PB states that he only sees townies going after people like this (thinks BH is town) but that the "lie" could in fact be Grack misremembering. He doesn't once state that BH doesn't believe it, not once.
So why does Vivax push it like he is saying this?
Because he's bad/mafia 
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On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches.
2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this.
3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do.
4. You haven't mentioned him since. 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum
Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again.
Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else.
Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game?
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I'm going to call you town BTDT because you've played that card now. GJ.
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I don't see how it's hard to follow:
Vivax says we should lynch BH because he's mafia.
I say he does this in every game as every alignment.
Vivax says he's still mafia.
I say it's a coin flip.
Vivax goes after PB and misconstrues his post.
I say it's misconstruing PB's post.
Vivax calls me mafia and Grack town somehow.
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Let's look at two differing worlds here.
Tumblewood - "BH is definitely town because I read his meta and it's clear to me that he's doing more things than his usual scum game!"
Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!"
Now, I'll tell you for free that BH's meta is regardless of alignment to make an RNG post, push his RNG lynch and gain nothing from it till potentially end of day, but more likely the next cycle. Vivax knows this, TW probably does not.
So why is Vivax making it out like BH is scum for doing something he never does? Because it's a chance for a mislynch.
Why is Tumblewood, king of TMI as mafia, pushing that this is definitely BH's town meta despite it being the same as each of his games as either alignment?
I'll give you a hint, it's because they are both mafia trying to achieve different things and cocking it up with inaccurate meta. Vivax, pushing the afkers and mislynchables, TW using tmi to defend 90% of the game.
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On June 05 2017 04:49 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches.
2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this.
3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do.
4. You haven't mentioned him since. 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again. Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else.
Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game? Every post before today has been on my phone.
can you quote to me the posts you've made this game not on a phone?
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oh I misread that
I think BTDT might be onto something after all :D
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I don't think BH's argument is stand up comedy at all. In fact I think he is quite serious. So if I am to think that then a newbie who has never been in a BH game is more than equally capable.
so point 1) is refuted by him being new and taking things at face value
point 2) is refuted because PB is verbose in his posting and that this post is a follow up to BH's spree of wanting to lynch Grack after being caught out - which is BH "doing something"
bad post
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On June 04 2017 08:48 Conversion wrote:
adding to prev post:
yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post
I think this is a PC post and it's day 1.
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Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.
Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.
That's a really really really simple task.
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ALso TW a really really easy task for you too:
link the games that you read that show BH is doing more stuff than his mafia games here please
also explain the things that Grack said that made you mindmeld, you posted one quote of him explaining your own post which is NOT mindmeld
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Conversion, you're in a tight spot in terms of BTDT so you are going to have to break things down into a few simple lines for me. Who do you think is mafia (exclude any posts about BTDT)? There are three of them so give me a simple line of why you think someone is mafia for each candidate please.
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On June 05 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.
Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.
That's a really really really simple task. No I'm not getting pushed into arguing through association just cause you want it. My arguments for either of you being mafia are to be treated as your alignments being independent from each other. The reason you're mafia is that you are just trying to be in my way when I'm obviously town and trying to direct the attention to something else.
your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't
but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT
scummy fuck jesus christ
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##unvote
##vote vivax
game set and match guys
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If you are sure that someone is mafia and you make a case that you know they've done something before as town that they aren't doing this game and you're presented the opportunity to prove this and lynch the guy, do you take that opportunity?
Or do you do what Vivax just did and not post any information to back up his baseless read.
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