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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:15 GMT
#2362
I really don't mind dying
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:17 GMT
#2364
But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:19 GMT
#2365
On June 10 2017 07:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hf, i have a question for you:
(correct me if i'm wrong to assume your skepticism was related to your role)
why did being vig make you skeptical of my claim?


Because of several reasons:

You claimed to save yourself from lynch.

You claimed instead of answering the most simple bh meta question in all of existence.

I'm good at this game.

You dropped off the face of the earth after claiming despite saying you're going to try this game.

All of your tmi day 1 was off.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:19 GMT
#2366
On June 10 2017 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 07:16 Tumblewood wrote:
hf, i have a question for you:
(correct me if i'm wrong to assume your skepticism was related to your role)
why did being vig make you skeptical of my claim?


Because of several reasons:

You claimed to save yourself from lynch.

You claimed instead of answering the most simple bh meta question in all of existence.

I'm good at this game.

You dropped off the face of the earth after claiming despite saying you're going to try this game.

All of your tmi day 1 was off.



The rest of the game saying you're not doc after n1 was because you didn't die and it was semi in jest but also a massive hedge because it's really fucking weird for you to not die.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:21 GMT
#2367
Look at it from mafia perspective. They have a gf, probably think there's a cop.

Do they leave the blue alive forever blocking him knowing there's another blue going to wreck their shit? Or do they kill him?

I'm pretty sure they kill him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:23 GMT
#2370
Now let's look at it from your perspective if you're mafia:

Oh there's gonna be two blues in this game. I didn't get ccd as doctor so we're gonna have to rb who we kill in case of vet/vig/cop so I can claim rb.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:24 GMT
#2371
On June 10 2017 07:22 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now.

that's clearly wrong?
pre-claim your lynch pool was grack, btdt, ts, pb, conv, but you should have a strong suspicion that there's a cop in the game with two checks reducing that pool by up to three. post-claim you have one, maybe 2 lynches set up for you among people who weren't even in consideration and your pool outside of that is still three people. as mafia you gained mislynches from that play.


I didn't think there was a cop because I'm not mafia

Don't want to get into hypothetical fairy land. I'm just simply town vig that didn't want to get into a claim war, wanted your bull shit to end if you didn't die and didn't want to lose us a mislynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 22:32 GMT
#2375
On June 10 2017 07:30 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
On June 10 2017 07:22 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 10 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now.

that's clearly wrong?
pre-claim your lynch pool was grack, btdt, ts, pb, conv, but you should have a strong suspicion that there's a cop in the game with two checks reducing that pool by up to three. post-claim you have one, maybe 2 lynches set up for you among people who weren't even in consideration and your pool outside of that is still three people. as mafia you gained mislynches from that play.


I didn't think there was a cop because I'm not mafia

Don't want to get into hypothetical fairy land. I'm just simply town vig that didn't want to get into a claim war, wanted your bull shit to end if you didn't die and didn't want to lose us a mislynch.


Uhm how does that make sense?


I thought I was going to die last night almost 100%. I wanted to make sure I told people I didn't shoot so there couldn't be any confusion with rbs, wanted the other blue to claim today if there was one so I could figure it out.

I was spending all last night filtering and metaing and came to the conclusion 90% of the game was town and couldn't figure out who mafia was. Making it increasingly likely yoir claim was fake.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 23:18 GMT
#2406
Lol i really couldn't give a shit if you lynched me?

Just 1000% sheep my good case on tw after

It's the only play tube/tw have left.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 23:31 GMT
#2412
On June 10 2017 08:14 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 08:10 Prison Break wrote:
On June 10 2017 08:08 Tubesock wrote:
On June 10 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote:
alright fuck it bois.

ritoky
btdt
grackaroni
conversion
PB


we down to auto this shit? any objection?


auto's probably fine. My tinfoil is running that it's HF and LS. but it's really stupid. Well HF for reasons I just posted, and LS partly for POE but also HF's trolling scumming on LS. HF banning LS from using meta prevents LS from towning the entire town:

On June 05 2017 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
where is LS solving the game?

I'm not an LS expert but doesn't he usually make more noncommittal posts as town? I remember reading one of his scum games where he couldn't help himself from pointing out all of the townies.

"X is town.

Y is town.

Z is town.

#IAmTheMetaKing."


I banned him from meta though.


Ok so HF pushing LS the entire game and LS getting mad is stages? Or is LS legit mad HF is bussing him?


I'm pretty biased right now, but yeah could be fake pushing LS (he did say he was trolling him) and I definitely see LS getting pissed HF is busing him. And LS can fake the rage too, he did it in one of his scum games a bit ago. Was towned because he used CAPSLOCK once.

But I don't think HF is really the type to bus both partners d1. So, I'm trying to read and think about his conviction of really wanting to lynch LS or just motivating him to post more and get townread.


Definitely done that before.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 09 2017 23:32 GMT
#2413
On June 10 2017 08:19 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 08:11 Tubesock wrote:
On June 10 2017 08:06 Prison Break wrote:
On June 10 2017 07:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 10 2017 07:40 Prison Break wrote:
On June 10 2017 07:39 Tumblewood wrote:
claiming because you think you're about to die is 100% useless if you are actually blue, because when you die you flip and everyone can see your role anyway, and you had nothing new to say about rbs. or if you don't die, congratulations you outed yourself and now mafia can keep you from ever shooting.


Uh what?

So you're claiming mafia?

??? no. i'm referencing the post where hf says he was 100% certain he was going to die last night. it makes sense to claim if you think you're about to get lynched, but if you think you're about to be NKed it's useless.


You claimed blue while you was going to get lynched

And now you say blue never does that?

Aka you're mafia


He's saying that if you're blue and you think you are going to be Night Killed then there isn't much reason to claim at night. You'll flip anyway (and even more likely to draw fire)


He protected TW

If HF flips vig, people will think HF got rb'd so TW was lying

By saying he didn't fire, TW could still be rb'd

So despite HF thinking TW is mafia now, this is extremely townie to do


The above.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:00 GMT
#2420
On June 10 2017 08:35 Tumblewood wrote:
ok, another glaring question mark in your claim: why were you so suspicious of me, with no CC, that you based your whole strategy around making sure i died in case i was scum?


I definitely answered this.

Everything about your claim was bull shit so I'm immediately skeptical of you being blue in the first place. Then onegu who is a low volume count poster dies instead of you even if he killed fidei. I'm increasingly more and more suspicious but still realise you could be town so hedging massively but still wary.

Then I try and look at who to shoot n2 because i think I'm going to die and even if we lose a mislynch i want to shoot. I spend a good few hours metaing ls and grack etc to determine who to shoot but I thought they all looked towny. Conv posting good sense at night, looked at btdt meta and he looked different. Pb tone different. Tube lynched fidei and said things I thought i agreed with. Ritoky i thought looked towny since d1. So I had nobody to shoot so I sent in another shot of no kill because it wasn't worth shooting people i weren't sure about.

I thought I was going to die and to avoid any confusion about rbs and shots I wanted to claim. Also because I thought every remaining player had a chance to be town it threw more and more paranoia to your claim and rbs being bs. So today I wanted to settle it once and for all too. I wanted a claim war. And here we are, mission successful.

I think pb made an excellent point earlier. You've gone full bs suspicion throwing and no game solving. Yoi saved me last night thinking I'm most likely to die but the instant i claimed i was mafia to you. It didn't make sense and it doesn't make sense. Ypu weren't even hesitant towards ritoky's claim despite the fact that there were inconsistencies (that I checked) in his scum reads to who he checked.

I'm pretty sure you're mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:04 GMT
#2421
On June 10 2017 08:58 Tumblewood wrote:
so this is what's really going on

if HF is town:
advantages of claiming:
*crickets*

disadvantages of claiming:
- effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone

Never gonna shoot someone if we lose a mislynch

- if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check

Narrows down lynch list because they have 2 checks and would be one of the players I'm not sure about


- if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us

Your fault for being crap all game and doing nothing.

OR

if HF is mafia:


advantages of claiming:
- lynches one, potentially two blues
True dat

- forces the other blue to out themselves early
True dat.

disadvantages of claiming:
- dies earlier than he might have otherwise
Main reason why i would never do it. I like to carry 100% of my games.


pick one

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:05 GMT
#2422
I don't even know why you're fighting. I am quite happy to be lynched. Lynch me and then lynch tw if that is the case though.

He made his bed by choosing to never question ritoky.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:07 GMT
#2423
I've been exceptionally open this entire game tbh, I have nothing to hide. My suspicion of tw is not a bad thing, it's just my natural paranoia being a pro.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:52 GMT
#2426
On June 10 2017 09:38 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even know why you're fighting. I am quite happy to be lynched. Lynch me and then lynch tw if that is the case though.

He made his bed by choosing to never question ritoky.

what do you mean, i made my bed by choosing to never question ritoky? ritoky's actions are indicative of an actual cop reacting to checks and to the game around you. your actions are indicative of scum trying to set up a fakeclaim and mislynch a blue. and i'm not really in a position to attack anyone with 70% confidence, anyway.

plus everyone knows you're not actually asking them to lynch you


They're not though. Ritoky has btdt as a provisional town n1 due to him raging. He had ls and grack as scum and didn't check either one.

Every btdt interaction sinve that check is somewhat accusatory. I feel like he wouldn't necessarily have some of them in fact if he was a green check.

Regardless, even with that dubious interaction he still looks better than you, who has only just become interested in the game, who instead of trying to figure ANYTHING out have instead been trying to shovel aby kind of accusation my way.

Did you bother to question ritoky? Not once. Did I? You bet.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:54 GMT
#2427
Everyone.

Put your vote on me. No questions asked.

Lynch me. I will not fight back. I will find the last mafia for you. When I flip vigilante please lynch the ever flying fuck out of Tumblewood.

That is all. This is an actual request. Do not lynch Tumblewood, lynch me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:55 GMT
#2428
##vote Holyflare

I will gladly help you start this wagon Tumblewood. My death will bring fiery vengeance upon you.

And very likely tubesock. People will sheep me after my death. There is no escape.

When I flip blue there is no coming back and saying "oh it must be ritoky now!" you have just admitted all his play makes sense from a cop perspective. Prepare to deal with my death wrath.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 00:56 GMT
#2429
You may strike me down but I am far more powerful in death than life. Far, far more powerful.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 10 2017 01:01 GMT
#2432
No. There is no backing down. When I flip blue you have confirmed yourself as mafia by virtue of poe.
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