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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 00:52 GMT
#2859
HF flipped blue ritoky is confirmed scum :D We are lynching ritoky this day phase. We still need to figure out his partner.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 00:53 GMT
#2860
On June 12 2017 09:29 Prison Break wrote:
yea you die today

what PR's can scum even have? framer/rb are useless now

rb obviously but most likely a goon.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 13:21 GMT
#2874
6-2
5-2 if btdt is town
4-2
vs
6-2
6-1
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1
So essentially we gain a mislynch if I did my math correctly if we lynch ritoky who is scum. I rather do the best play and lynch a guaranteed scum in ritoky and yes I understand you concerns about a auto lynch but let's be real: it might be a auto lynch with btdt too.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 13:23 GMT
#2875
On June 12 2017 22:21 LightningStrike wrote:
6-2
5-2 if btdt is town
4-2
4-1
3-1 MYLO
vs
6-2
6-1
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1 LYLO
So essentially we gain a mislynch if I did my math correctly if we lynch ritoky who is scum. I rather do the best play and lynch a guaranteed scum in ritoky and yes I understand you concerns about a auto lynch but let's be real: it might be a auto lynch with btdt too.

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 13:36 GMT
#2877
On June 12 2017 22:29 Tubesock wrote:
We have Conversion, Prisonbreak, Tube, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, Ritoky. 7 total, 2 are mafia. So it's 5-2 now. 4-2 if btdt flips town, 4-1 if we kill Ritoky.

Crap I messed up my math somehow
5-2
4-2
3-2
3-1
2-1
vs
5-2
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1
I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 14:30 GMT
#2880
On June 12 2017 22:56 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 12 2017 22:29 Tubesock wrote:
We have Conversion, Prisonbreak, Tube, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, Ritoky. 7 total, 2 are mafia. So it's 5-2 now. 4-2 if btdt flips town, 4-1 if we kill Ritoky.

Crap I messed up my math somehow
5-2
4-2
3-2
3-1
2-1
vs
5-2
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1
I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks?


So you're on board?

Who would you lynch and why por favor?

ritoky just so we get the for sure scum out of the way while looking at connections from ritoky and james to any of the players.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 14:48 GMT
#2881
Day One Final Vote Count

Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat

Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 22:24 GMT
#2900
On June 13 2017 06:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat

Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.

What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT?

The weird interaction between Ritoky and BTDT that I think PB pointed out here:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 07:32 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner

yes I'm going to bed now

no I'm not scum


i mean....if i am wrong, then how does shit like this help me get from where i am to being right? the game is like 6 pages total....w/e

annoyed.

On June 05 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:
the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.

he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.

he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.

he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.

he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?

dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted.


PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things.

If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here.



Yes, his reads were wishy-washy at that point, I agree with you. That's my point. My point is that his reads in the previous game were basically never wishy-washy, they were always definitive. So if he is playing the opposite or different from his previous game, then why are you assuming he is the same alignment as the previous game?

On June 06 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
looking outside the ppl who voted mafia:

i think PB's post about his reaction to the lynch is pretty similar to mine, although him never delivering on his promised reads is meh. he came to the same conclusion i did about the 3 people i think are town because of the lynch and he looks toward the same spot i do for the mafia on the wagon (grack + ls). but when he starts saying things that make tons of sense to me, it's kinda the opposite of why i had him town leaned earlier.

btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card....

conv is certainly not particularly useful at the moment, but i don't get the sense that he is malicious or mafia. i told him "stop doing this and give me reads." and then he immediately produced reads that seemed genuine; so i have a difficult time thinking he's mafia.

then vivax....i guess vivax COULD be mafia? but then i been pretty wrong this game. but doesn't vivax just see the runaway train and bus his partner for the nickle or dime's worth of credit he would get? i would have.

ritoky interactions with ritoky seemed awkward to each other and the way ritoky tried to read btdt seemed off.
From James filter:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 19:58 Fidei86 wrote:
Conversion: my reasoning was simple. You thread entered, and then having not posted anything for half a day or so you came back with a long and clearly typed post (#159) (i.e. not just something you bashed out on a mobile) that didn't give any reads and just apologised. At the time I made the post I don't think you had made any game relevant posts. So that is why I said I wasn't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's been a lot of development since I went to bed, and I quite like the indignant but also slightly confused tone of your subsequent posts. Also #200 you say you're "glad Vivax and Grace read you as town". As a new player I'm onboard for that being a genuine dumbtell. TR.

BH is massively overplaying the Grack read. And in fact, BH hasn't done anything outside of his RNG/Grack read. I had the same reaction as Grack did to the onslaught ("wtf?"). Maybe BH is going for the old Chezinu play? But I don't see how that helps as town, particularly in a newbie game. Grack's reads are thin, and I don't like how he seems to soft TW at #249 without pushing it. So I end up where I think they are scummy. Doubt they're scum together, although the amount of shitting up the thread they've achieved could easily part of a plan.

Vivax is pretty town - his post at #181 hit some people multiple times, which is indicative of someone not trying to build a narrative.

I like ritoky's interactions with Conversion - trying to push Conversion to carry on and give reads. (This is something else I liked about Vivax re 187, where he prods BTDT after earlier null reading/asking for more info).

TW continues to be underwhelming. His BH read is garbage, and he now has Tube and Grack as his top towns? Over Vivax? I also think his general tone in the thread has been unhelpful (see #270, #272).

So right now I'm at:

Town:
Vivax
Ritoky

Lean Town:
Conversion
LS (ehhhhhhhhhhhh)
BTDT

Null:

Onegu: one massive WOT isn't enough to get you off, and you're tunnelled on me per usual, but nothing in your reads gave any red lights
PB
Tube

Scummy;
BH
Grack
HF
TW

Right now I'm leaning towards TW, and I would rather lynch BH/Grack over HF.

That read's post as well as several posts in his filter seemed weird around bdt. note that ritoky was townread by James while his scumreads are town for the most part. Kinda points to btdt or Conversion more or less but with both of them combined it looks like btdt more Conversion for me.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 22:25 GMT
#2901
On June 13 2017 07:24 ritoky wrote:
you guys should totally split the vote and let me hammer, it's a great idea.

also your mechanics are all wrong about justifying why you shouldn't lynch me, but hey what the shit do i care.

you guys want my check for today? i didn't get roleblocked! kitaman

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!

To bad we know your claim is fake
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 22:45 GMT
#2906
On June 13 2017 07:27 ritoky wrote:
seriously though, you're all so dour. enjoy life! have some fun solving the game. unclencheth thy buttocks.

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 12 2017 22:46 GMT
#2907
On June 13 2017 07:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 07:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 13 2017 07:24 ritoky wrote:
you guys should totally split the vote and let me hammer, it's a great idea.

also your mechanics are all wrong about justifying why you shouldn't lynch me, but hey what the shit do i care.

you guys want my check for today? i didn't get roleblocked! kitaman

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!

To bad we know your claim is fake


bro there could totally be 3 blues amirite? 2 vigis too, i am the great vigicop!

Sorry you aren't Toad
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 20:55 GMT
#2931
On June 14 2017 04:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 04:05 Prison Break wrote:
On June 14 2017 03:26 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like he's probably going to be one of the lynches either way. I'm going to try to be less lazy today and see if I can find anything.

I'm a little nervous about you tbh because I know that you're clever enough to change up your play style from the last game.


Well isn't that the same way people were paranoid about HF, who also flipped town?

I guess go ahead and check my filter 10x, you won't find a thing.

I think there's not enough paranoia.

HF, LS and even you have argued that you aren't scum because your game play is stylistically a lot different from generic II, but I have enough respect for your play to discount that.

I don't think PB would improve his scum a lot in just 1 game despite being coached simply because he would of made his scum even better than HF's scum game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 21:15 GMT
#2934
On June 14 2017 05:57 Conversion wrote:
ls can you put your vote not on ritoky. like i'd rather have it off than on him

Fine but promise me you guys will vote ritoky next day phase please?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 23:57 GMT
#2955
On June 14 2017 08:25 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip


I have decent reasons to town everyone left. If you take out Gracks push on Ritoky then he could but I think his push on him looked pretty genuine and not a bus.

LS next then? He's had very few opinions and only comes when he's talked about. Which makes me think he's town because if he rolled scum he'd at least push for a mlynch. He had no problems standing up to HF either.

Check my generic 2 filter and compare it to this game?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 23:58 GMT
#2957
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip

You probably you and ritoky had 1 weird interaction when I had you as part of my PoE scum plus your EoD 2 reaction to the Vivax flip seemed weird?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 23:59 GMT
#2959
On June 14 2017 08:45 Tubesock wrote:
I had a string of 3 games in a row I was miss lynched day one.

I get mislynched a lot Day 1 Day 2 area but only got mislynched once after Day 2 as town honestly so I know how you feel.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 23:59 GMT
#2960
On June 14 2017 08:58 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2017 08:25 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip


I have decent reasons to town everyone left. If you take out Gracks push on Ritoky then he could but I think his push on him looked pretty genuine and not a bus.

LS next then? He's had very few opinions and only comes when he's talked about. Which makes me think he's town because if he rolled scum he'd at least push for a mlynch. He had no problems standing up to HF either.

Check my generic 2 filter and compare it to this game?


Didn't I just call you town?

Oh I misread your post thought you were calling me scum or something lmao.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 14 2017 00:00 GMT
#2961
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 14 2017 00:10 GMT
#2965
okay lynching ritoky next day phase.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 14 2017 02:23 GMT
#2983
On June 14 2017 11:17 Conversion wrote:
like we are in the situation after ritoky we're gonna lose so like I understand you might not have time but anything beside a 1-liner would help if you're actually town

also you're like #1 suspect to me without me doubting my town reads because you passively just switched to btdt, gave no argument or reasoning, and now your top scum read is me, unless I'm reading your post to my question incorrectly

Mainly a PoE thing but might have to recheck Tubesock before making a final answer Day 6 when we will have to lynch the last scum.
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