And I still think there's something off about Grack's play. He's unusually moody and when he's being funny as I'd expect him to be, it feels like he's forcing the mood.. The vibe I'm getting from his posts is just not a good one.

I am going to write a slightly more detailed post later today describing what I feel.

I don't really think rayn is mafia, but I'm gonna hedge that bet a bit by saying that I'm mostly giving him a pass for the day. I just don't want to lynch rayn.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 11 2017 09:41 GMT

#423

On May 11 2017 18:40 sicklucker wrote:
ya I would very much like yo lynch lightning strike actually. whos with me soldiers

Kill grack with me, you didn't seem all that bothered to kill him earlier.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

May 11 2017 09:43 GMT

#424

On May 11 2017 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you know anything about Tumblewoods play nothing he has said makes him mafia.

I don't know a single thing about Tumblewood's play but I want to question inconsistencies when I see them. Also sorry for what I've been saying. Bad time irl. I do honestly want to talk properly though because I am 100% town and I want to figure things out.

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

May 11 2017 09:43 GMT

#425

of course were not lynching ryan. but why arnt we lynching ls?

grack
ls or someone I cant read like df or dandred.

one of those guys GOTTA GO

[image loading]

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

May 11 2017 09:46 GMT

#426

Df keeps getting mentioned but nobody says any reasons why. I don't like it.

Damdred why did you say you didn't like df but then went oit of your way to post a post you did like? Which is basically 20% of his filter anyway. It seems weird to me like you're trying to prove you have similar reads to me.

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

May 11 2017 09:48 GMT

#427

well I dont think hes a very easy to read mafia so hes a great rng lynch, some solid day one stuff really that wont be the wrong play ever. Ls same thing but hes really awful here for his standards. Also he will never town read me for the entire game so thats another huge con to keep him around. for the sake of town you know

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

May 11 2017 09:49 GMT

#428

On May 11 2017 18:41 Palmar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Kill grack with me, you didn't seem all that bothered to kill him earlier.

i believe my vote is on him.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

May 11 2017 10:05 GMT

#429

Grack why are you voting palmar when you were convinced there's one mafia in df/vivax and were questioning me all night?

Vivax

22018 Posts

May 11 2017 10:26 GMT

#430

Is skynx a mafia god or just mafia? He's confident AF into townreads on good scum players without the big posts that usually accompany them when he's town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

May 11 2017 10:33 GMT

#431

Holyflare you have to understand that inconsistencies do not make people mafia. In fact it is more likely that a townie is inconsistent than that mafia is (this is obviously a case specific thing but especially on D1 and not much to work with it's way more likely that mafia tries to keep their story straight).

##unvote
##vote darthfoley

I am not sure if i can explain this more properly than i have before but i will try.
The thing is Grackaroni answered me regarding my concerns about him. Could he do that as mafia? Would he do that as mafia? Sure he could, most likely would. That doesn't however make him mafia. In fact it is more likely it makes him town because his train of thought follows what he says in his posts there.

Now i wouldn't probably even think df is scum if he didn't make the case in a way that he did. Being wrong or making a wrong conclusion of the above is not necessarily scummy. The point here is what darthfoley does is that he doesn't even evaluate the scumminess of the original act. He just contrasts it to meta and expects the "meta" to strenthen his argument even though he doesn't even have an argument in the first place. In a same way i could say for example the following:
- "Holyflare is scum because he asked why Grack is voting for Palmar and he never asks that as town."

Now who the fuck cares if Holyflare has done it as town before or not when the starting point of the argument is completely ridiculous (aka a thing that is not scummy the slightest)??? What darthfoley did there is he took some random argument, has no conclusion about the argument itself and then just painted it scummy "because Grackaroni doesn't do that as town". Furthermore, with a 100% certainty darthfoley has never ever seen me play with Grackaroni before so there should be no expectations on how Grackaroni should react to something i post as either alignment (there is where even the whole meta bullshit falls apart).

So there is that, now i am off to work.

Vivax

22018 Posts

May 11 2017 10:34 GMT

#432

I like the idea that maybe there's 1 mafia making puppy eyes, 1 mafia being witty, and 1 playing bad cop or something. The one being witty is tough one and I might be wrong on him. More of a random rambling about what I'm looking into atm.

And if this rayn and HF shitfiesta goes on I'm just going to stop reading both your posts. If you got a case on HF for something in particular put it out there, don't engage and bring it back up later cause he reacts to suspicion compulsively as both alignments. There's just too much stuff being produced while possible little red diamonds remain unnoticed.

The average scum player doesn't make as many mistakes with their reads as town in my experience and if they make them it's cause other townies made them first.

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 11 2017 10:42 GMT

#433

Just woke and I caught up. I think I want to lynch HF the more times I read his posts and him being very nitpicky he actually playing closer to his scum game that he played in the liquidmania qualifier game that I played with him and got mislynched Day 1 after playing mostly horrible Day 1 too. As scum Hf loves to be nitpicky on people as town he not very nitpicky at all. Sorry HF that you had to roll scum again vs me.
His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=Holyflare
My filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=LightningStrike
##Vote: Holyflare

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 11 2017 10:45 GMT

#434

As a side note I think Grack and Rayn are town and maybe Vivax too but Damdred is disappointing me very hard

I hope Damdred post more so I can figure out his alignment.

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 11 2017 10:46 GMT

#435

On May 11 2017 19:26 Vivax wrote:
Is skynx a mafia god or just mafia? He's confident AF into townreads on good scum players without the big posts that usually accompany them when he's town.

Never played with Skynx before and hardly payed attention to recent games except for my QT game where you rolled scum.

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 11 2017 11:02 GMT

#436

Another side note I hope df returns so I get a easier read on him because hasn't posted much at all when he was around :\

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

May 11 2017 11:11 GMT

#437

Can you point to posts in this game that are nitpicky ls?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

May 11 2017 11:14 GMT

#438

Because I've already made the meta point that you're trying to play exactly like that game and failing. This is just you rehashing the same argument.

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 11 2017 11:21 GMT

#439

On May 11 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:
Can you point to posts in this game that are nitpicky ls?

On May 10 2017 17:06 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

"which one of my 0 elaborated reads are shit. Excluding the shittest one"

- raynpelikoneet 2017

All of them are shit. LS read is a piggyback on buddying palmar and copying what others have said. Palmar read is super buddy and you preface it with some bs love "let's work together friend!" damdred no context and fuba is the worst of all.

You then complain when people don't elaborate and have no form of elaboration

I can't see how it possibly doesn't make sense to you. Making any town reads with 0 elaboration or anything to keep you liable for it in the future is the easiest thing to do as mafia in the world.

On May 11 2017 04:47 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

When does posting a read and elaborating it become a fight?

I'd quite like you to actually post some conclusions of your own instead of just asking other people. Definitely seen you skate by like this before.

On May 11 2017 18:21 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

This is coming from the person that says people are only looking at surface level things? You're mischaracterising me digging for information as "only calling people that mafia read me mafia". Tumblewood has a case for me to be mafia, I call him out and he does some weird 180 into nothing. Why is he not voting me? I don't even think/know if he's actually calling me mafia and I want to know. About 90% of the time mafia call me mafia in games day 1 but don't want to lynch me. The 10% is grack.

You know how I find mafia? By asking them questions. Shocking revelation that I don't wildly call people mafia or town blindly.