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On May 21 2017 19:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2017 18:54 sicklucker wrote:
i made like a giant wall of text and the only thing holyflare called good or smart in it is the fact your probably town if 3 people already voted you. There was lots of good stuff but he focused on that. Then he never voted you. Then he voted me and ls the only two people you could have mislynched probably.
Damn your screwed unless you can nk both me and vivax Oh I'm just doing this for postgame purposes. You are, if town, allowing yourself to be completely manipulated by mafia. Remember, nothing I personally have done is making you think I'm mafia. You're just being so monumentally stupid that you're going to believe that the people whose job it is to mislead you are in fact not misleading you. Like there is no one you can blame here but yourself. I don't care if you think I'm mafia, that on it's own is fine, people are wrong all the time. The problem I have is that you only think it because mafia told you through manipulation to think I'm mafia.
what I voted you and called you mafia before this happened. I just said I dont want to vote the green check first so I voted your partner
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and then you call me mafia after i save you and kill mafia. ffs
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We started into the day with 3 votes on Palmar with HF hesitating to get him while knowing that it was either him or Palmar. He sacked himself for Palmar. GG no re
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On May 21 2017 19:29 Vivax wrote:
Since when is it a rule that material generated by mafia is bad? Tumble was clumsy and had trouble fighting his TMI, I'm treating it as fact by now and his filter is an excellent source of info. HF was given the choice to lynch you and didn't want to cause you are the designated carry. Everything about him screams that we should lynch him before you.
i agree and hf came into the day cocky and probably expected a sl or maybe ls lynch and saw a bunch of votes on palmar and then himself and seemed off his game
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tumble spewed me town havent even read his filter since hf flipped but i wouldnt be shocked if he suggested him too
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The fact hf's only plan was to lynch me the unlyncable person instead of you is very alarming
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theres no shame in conceding palmar at least one of me and vivax and ls are voting you tomorrow :D
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On May 21 2017 19:10 Palmar wrote:
Same goes for Vivax. If you guys are deadset on lynching me, at least try to prove that I'm mafia without using material generated by mafia.
I'd say maybe it would be a good idea to look at my material and find where I've been acting like mafia in that?
wheres the material that your town? that would be your job. usually you have some on day 5
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It isn't as clear cut for others as it is for us, many still have trouble applying their reasoning past role and role interactions as seen in Guardians of the galaxy where Toad coasted on a fake vig claim for the entire game.
Palmars racing horse for this game is the n1 green check and he's going to coat it in sugar and sell it as unbeatable logic that he is town and that the logical play is not to lynch him.
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yes gracks read on the situation is concerning. yes they have posted lots of random words but have never gone after each other. except 1 hf vote on palmar in a spot where we know it was 2 towns up fro lynch
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On May 21 2017 19:39 Vivax wrote:
It isn't as clear cut for others as it is for us, many still have trouble applying their reasoning past role and role interactions as seen in Guardians of the galaxy where Toad coasted on a fake vig claim for the entire game.
Palmars racing horse for this game is the n1 green check and he's going to coat it in sugar and sell it as unbeatable logic that he is town and that the logical play is not to lynch him.
Nono, there's far more to it.
My approach, my tone, my being right on every goddamn thing, me trying to kill mafia more than anyone in the game (except maybe PB).
the green check is the icing on the cake.
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On May 21 2017 19:29 Vivax wrote:
Since when is it a rule that material generated by mafia is bad? Tumble was clumsy and had trouble fighting his TMI, I'm treating it as fact by now and his filter is an excellent source of info. HF was given the choice to lynch you and didn't want to cause you are the designated carry. Everything about him screams that we should lynch him before you.
It is not a hard fast rule, but you're also forgetting to treat it with suspicion.
The reason what you're doing right here is terrible is that you forget the alternative. You treat your interpretation of mafia posts as the holy truth and disregard all possibility you're being manipulated.
Forget for just a few minutes that you think I'm confirmed mafia and consider the game from a point of view where I am town. How do I, as town, defend myself against accusations that TW and HF said things that make it likely I'm mafia? I can put up absolutely no defense against that because it's posts that I didn't write and had nothing to do with. I cannot stop the mafia making these kind of posts. I can't tell HF to pretend he had any reservations about lynching me. He simply did it because he wanted to spread suspicion or possibly make himself look good.
I cannot control any of these factors.
This is why you need to focus on the things in my actions, votes and filter that make me mafia, and at best use mafia wifom as secondary evidence. But you and SL both are using mafia wifom as primary evidence.
It is incredibly stupid.
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Like there's nothing wrong with losing a game because mafia outplays someone and you make the incorrect call. For example if in lylo one townie has like 2 page filter and some super active mafia is hard at work convincing you to lynch that guy, that's fair enough. You don't know that the guy who is convincing you is mafia and he is clearly putting in more work than the afk townie.
However this is no such situation. You are allowing yourself to be convinced by flipped mafia. You literally know that every word they said during the game has the potential to be wifom and bullshit, and yet that is what you're going to decide the game on.
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The argument that a scum player like HF goes for a suicidal play here is a very strong argument, whether you can defend yourself against it or not is secondary. It's like you're advocating fair play towards you demanding that we find out you're mafia exclusively from your filter. Fair play here is to find the single best argument out there for you being mafia.
He was mafia sitting in a dark pit, he got offered a rope to climb out, but on his way out he had to throw you in instead, he chose to stay in the pit. Why is scum HF not taking the easy route to your mislynch if you are town here?
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On May 21 2017 19:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2017 19:39 Vivax wrote:
It isn't as clear cut for others as it is for us, many still have trouble applying their reasoning past role and role interactions as seen in Guardians of the galaxy where Toad coasted on a fake vig claim for the entire game.
Palmars racing horse for this game is the n1 green check and he's going to coat it in sugar and sell it as unbeatable logic that he is town and that the logical play is not to lynch him. Nono, there's far more to it. My approach, my tone, my being right on every goddamn thing, me trying to kill mafia more than anyone in the game ( except maybe PB). the green check is the icing on the cake.
thats just sucking up
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you cant defend there spew no but you can try to be town which your not doing
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On May 21 2017 20:20 sicklucker wrote:
you cant defend there spew no but you can try to be town which your not doing
Actually I am.
Remember all those times you were lynching townies when I was lynching mafia?
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In HFs world.
"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"
If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?
(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"
(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"
Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.
And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.
And the conclusion is:
Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.
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On May 21 2017 20:13 Vivax wrote:
The argument that a scum player like HF goes for a suicidal play here is a very strong argument, whether you can defend yourself against it or not is secondary. It's like you're advocating fair play towards you demanding that we find out you're mafia exclusively from your filter. Fair play here is to find the single best argument out there for you being mafia.
He was mafia sitting in a dark pit, he got offered a rope to climb out, but on his way out he had to throw you in instead, he chose to stay in the pit. Why is scum HF not taking the easy route to your mislynch if you are town here?
That is EXACTLY what I want.
Because
a) you can't prove I'm mafia from my filter because I am not
b) that is the ONLY correct way to play mafia and this game is a good example why that is.
I am demanding you play the game correctly because if you don't you will lose. Losing because you get outplayed is one thing, but losing because you have head in ass and refuse to play the game like it should be played is a special kind of stupidity.
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On May 21 2017 20:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2017 20:20 sicklucker wrote:
you cant defend there spew no but you can try to be town which your not doing Actually I am. Remember all those times you were lynching townies when I was lynching mafia?
i have voted and killed 2 of 2 mafia in this game...
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