Liquidmania Qualifier #4

On April 06 2017 15:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if i did it doesn't have anything to do with my question.
So why did you claim you will play shitty enough to not receive points?

On April 07 2017 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am curious though, why is sicklucker town?

On April 07 2017 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am trying to understand why you say things you do because it doesn't make any sense to me so can you please jsut answer me?

On April 07 2017 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you can't jsut say something that makes absolutely no sense at all and then brush it off by "you're tunneling something completely irrelevant". That's not how this game works and you very well know it so just play the fucking game or don't join if you are not going to play.

On April 07 2017 14:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
Lynching sicklucker is also fine. Im not thinking hes town.

On April 07 2017 14:33 Tumblewood wrote:

fun fact: earlier today I refreshed the thread after it had been dead for a couple hours and found a new rayn post posted 1 second before I refreshed

On April 07 2017 14:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because when people say dumb shit that doesn't make any sense it usually comes from mafia.

On April 07 2017 14:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you hoped to have rolled mafia so it would be more likely to get points. Okay.
Why did you think town doesn't win the game? (that would be 0 "victory" points for mafia and 0 "victory" points for town in your mind - assuming you missed the OP).

On April 07 2017 14:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
See here is why i don't necessarily believe you sicklucker.
You made this post.

This is a post you have made before you, by your own words, read the OP. But the points thingy is not in the OP. It's almost directly above the current standings table.

I have very hard time believing you had read the standings table but not the post above.

On April 06 2017 19:53 Calix wrote:


Also I am curious. What is the point of saying this after SL said that he doesn't 'really prefer' a particular alignment? Just a weird way to enter the thread.

On April 07 2017 17:43 Koshi wrote:
I think btdt his list is so much worse.

He wanted to lynch so many people yesterday, now there are 2 full greens.
He was on TW and Calix yesterday. Now one is missing and one is perfect null.
If he went 100% green on rayn from yesterday to now, why is he not 100% green on me? What did I do wrong in the conversation I had with rayn? Because he townreads rayn for that conversation, but scumreads me?

etc
etc

Like... That is one fucking bad list.

On April 07 2017 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like why the fuck would you, if you think i am just doing some dumb shit (possibly) just for the sake of doing dumb shit do this:
"Well you're wrong again dude so staph" instead of "why the fuck are you doing this? are you scum?"

You literally deserve -912873 points if you did that as town.

On April 07 2017 17:46 Koshi wrote:

He once got 50 points for harddefending a mafia all game and calling me retarded & shit while I was on both mafia D2.

On April 07 2017 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Except that your read went from town -> scum AFTER i started NOT calling you scum.

On April 07 2017 18:33 Koshi wrote:

sicklucker is sicklucker. Do not apply logic.
Read the people on which you can actually apply logic. And then bother with sicklucker.

I am telling you. I was 100% convinced on 2 mafia reads last game, and the guy (sicklucker) made me so mad I removed a certain mafia read and mafia read him instead. Then he claimed doctor DURING the night. Still didn't get shot ofc.

And then endgame received 50 points.

On April 07 2017 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but sicklucker is a busser so.... i still dont care.

On April 07 2017 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
(which is why i just want to play mafia, not care about some fucking mvp or points)

So please play mafia.

On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.

On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:

town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta?

On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:

How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times?

Are you for fucking real?

On April 07 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am curious why btdt does respond to Koshi but not to me.

On April 07 2017 19:36 beentheredonethat wrote:

can you please shut your fucking mouth

you react to my huge post with this bullshit you're exceptionally fucking bad if you're town or your scum right away

really go fuck yourself

On April 07 2017 20:06 beentheredonethat wrote:

I don't see you as "equals". I see you and rayn as the guys who keep pushing me and sl as the guy who's mad at me and content in voting for me.

Please stop making things up, once more :/

On April 08 2017 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like maybe he just talks to his non-townreads like townreads. But that doesnt make any sense.

On April 08 2017 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like maybe he just talks to his non-townreads like townreads. But that doesnt make any sense.

On April 08 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why is that? Like everyone is for some reason refusing to even touch the case (which is something you should debunk if you dont think shes mafia). People are just "okay with it". And there is only 2 mafia. Like if shape/tumble/btdt is scum with her how does that "not make sense" or make it "too easy"?

Saying something is "too easy" is a shitty reason to not lynch someone especially on D1, especially when there is a decent case noone has debunked.

On April 08 2017 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can tell you Tumblewood is not gonna get lynched when me koshi and rels are alive. Do yoy dont need to protect him by calling shapelog mafia. If you wanna "protect" him you do it better by voting for Calix.

On April 08 2017 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like i cant even tell why you read shapelog as mafia since this is the only thing i can find in your filter and its not a mafia read.

On April 08 2017 14:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you voted for Shapelog, and if the mafia is not EXACTLY Shapelog and Calix you gave mafia a chance to save Calix. Why? Especially since you didn't even think Calix is mafia.

On April 08 2017 14:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

he wanted to kill himself for no apparent reason and got mad for people not even really wanting to lynch him.
It's very unlike to come from mafia.

On April 08 2017 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels not being around earlier means nothing.
Rels also totes had time to do shit in case he is mafia with Calix.

You are pushing very unlike things instead of things that are likely to be true. Where did that scumread on Shapelog go? Why are you even entertaining other possibilities if you think Shapelog is mafia since there is only 1 mafia left?

On April 08 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:

Yeah, I double checked. When Rels voted, he made it 4v2 in Calix vs. Tumble, he could've made it 3-3.

On April 08 2017 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Rels was already around when my vote wasnt on Calix if i remember correctly. sicklucker saying Rels wouldnt even try to save Calix is totally absurd because Rels is a player who can produce thread pull easily in three hours.

On April 09 2017 07:41 darthfoley wrote:


I have no idea why you have Tumblewood as your most town over everyone who voted for confirmed mafia

On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:

yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green

On April 09 2017 08:36 Shapelog wrote:

I'm not being daft in reading that and it saying that he stated tumble wasnt doing anything?

On April 10 2017 05:39 Shapelog wrote:

Actually no, thinking about that rn. That is a really dumb plan. He has no idea if a PR is in the game or not. He would also be the last scum. That means, 66% of the time, he gets cced and insta-loses.

Unless he try and goat out a PR as a goon and saw no one bited and then held and claim. But that is just silly.

On April 10 2017 06:03 darthfoley wrote:
Even if he knew the setup and knew he could claim Doc, it doesn't make sense to do the "save" this early in the game because he has to die at some point

On April 10 2017 16:55 Rels wrote:
gotta say, getting townread when I have this level of commitment feels fucking great =D

On April 11 2017 20:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
Simply based on the voting, it's Tumble or Rels. And I think it's Tumble over Rels.

There are some ifs:

1. Koshi yolo bussed
2. darthfoley bussed into afk Calix (given df has a lame 4 page filter, that might even be the case)
3. Rayn yolo bussed

that make us instantly lose the game I think.

More ifs:

1. Rels is scum (he didn't play at all so... yeah)
2. Tumbleweed's mindmeld was staged
3. sicklucker fake claimed into a all vt setup


So basically: lynch Tumblewood. If town, carefully consider Rels/(sicklucker vs. darthfoley in a tinfoil world).

That's where I'm at.
Given that Tumble continues to not have original thoughts and continues to drive-by post, I think it's the most likely scenario.

On April 07 2017 17:17 sicklucker wrote:
at least we agree rels is doctor

On April 08 2017 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
ya doctors saving ryan tonight for sure. so mafias gotta dodge. sure there might not be a doctor in the game but thats what mafia gambled on last time i was the doctor =]

On April 11 2017 21:23 Koshi wrote:
If anybody can confirm mafia do not know the setup that would be nice. I am looking at you Rels.

On April 12 2017 01:54 darthfoley wrote:
When Rels voted for Calix it was

3 Calix
2 TW (TR by basically all of Calix wagon at the time)
1 Rels
1 Shapelog

On April 12 2017 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Wouldnt sucking up to you here be voting for Shape?

On April 13 2017 08:42 Rels wrote:
well didn't realize Tumble was voting me. That's not in line with his filter

On April 13 2017 13:40 darthfoley wrote:
why are the two suspected mafia only mafia reading one other person?

On April 15 2017 23:09 Koshi wrote:
n1 protected rayn
n2 no protect
n3 protected sicklucker

Up to you guys to decide sl did the slowplay of the year.

On April 16 2017 04:46 Tumblewood wrote:
I guess it's df? I think? it still could be btdt I suppose but it doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
one thing I've gotta ask: sl, Koshi, how did you know what the other was doing without a qt to coordinate it? like why did Koshi not yell about a fakeclaim?

On April 16 2017 05:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
Three guys left.


Btdt
Tumble
Darth

From my point of view, its won. Lynch Tumble / darth. Town!df would not switch from Tumble to me. He was fine with Shape, fine with Rels, but uh-oh, if Tumble flips VT, df is fucked.

Df did nothing during the game. I town passed him all game long for his early vote on Calix. He didnt do anything but was content on all the boring lynches and they all flipped vt.

Now voting me. Because Tumble wouldn't kill sicklucker, the claimed doc? Nah.

Lynch df and Tumble. One of them is scum. Game over.

Lynch me, and we're done.

On April 16 2017 09:00 darthfoley wrote:


well in theory you could've held shot again but again not likely

On April 13 2017 16:39 Tumblewood wrote:
df is kinda not on the table for me. but koshi might. I tend to always townread him even when he's scum and this game I'm not even that impressed
the only productive thing I can do rn is dig up bad rels posts though

On April 13 2017 16:56 Tumblewood wrote:
data costs me $2 a megabyte right now so I will not be posting, but I have downloaded all of rels' filter (thinking I should download Koshi's, too...) and I will try to construct a good post or the outline of a slam dunk post while I am out
current state of affairs:
rels 60% - idk, unimpressive in all ways, kinda PoE but I wish it weren't
koshi 25% - kinda tilted but there is some legit paranoia mixed into this read. I think we wrote him off too early.
btdt 10% - the more I talk about it the more I remember why he is town
df 5% - just in case

On April 14 2017 17:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I'd put it at like 80% Koshi 20% df. just read through df's filter and there really isn't anything scummy at all but idk it could be him
probably not though. gotta give it the old college try with koshi

On April 07 2017 02:20 darthfoley wrote:
Ooohhh if Calix meant generally as in she finds btdt scummy in many games then I feel like an idiot. I thought she was just talking about this game "generally"

On April 17 2017 02:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Kill them both off and win.

It's funny because each of them can claim the very same about me and the respective other one.

On April 17 2017 03:04 darthfoley wrote:


wait why does it make more sense for me to be mafia?

On April 08 2017 14:08 darthfoley wrote:
I also remember from playing with Calix in that one newbie game when we were scum together that she talked a lot post game about how she would have to do a better job interacting with her partner if she played in a "veteran" game like this. Which also points more towards Shapelog or btdt

On April 17 2017 03:21 darthfoley wrote:
All i'm saying is that both btdt and TW are voting for me and

1) btdt's explanations don't make sense
2) neither do Koshi's, but he's town
3) TW hasn't explained why he's voting for me over btdt

please reevaluate because i'm starting to feel like town loses if both btdt and TW end up in the F3 cuz one is lynch bait and one is scummy

On April 17 2017 05:51 Koshi wrote:
Not sure if town fucks up this bad and votes off each other. But I hope mafia kills the doc and sicklucker can do lylo :D

On April 17 2017 06:43 beentheredonethat wrote:
So df is the last scum and sicklucker is helping him win lylo

Kk bye

On April 17 2017 06:42 beentheredonethat wrote:

Youre so bad lol

On April 23 2017 07:44 darthfoley wrote:
sl were you probably gonna lynch me in f3 if i had killed koshi?

On April 24 2017 17:15 Rels wrote:
doc couldnt self protect p:

On April 24 2017 18:34 beentheredonethat wrote:


this is how this thread feels like. totes disagree with sicklucker mvp, still. I don't see how a play that will get you nominated for worst town award 2017 can make you the mvp just because it works - once. Koshi is the clear mvp of this game.