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I also promise i won't lynch sicklucker if he is town. | ||
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On April 06 2017 11:26 sicklucker wrote: all i can say is i wish i rolled mafia because im more likely to get points but im town sadly why is that? | ||
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Why do you think i would ever answer "no" to that regardless of my affiliation? | ||
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So basically what he initially said is his play is going to be shit just because he rolled alignment X instead of Y and i want to know why he thinks so. | ||
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On April 06 2017 15:50 sicklucker wrote: i dont really prefer one alignment over the other. depends my mood and what I rolled recently really. And I havent played in a few months so any is good :D I am not sure if i believe this. | ||
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On April 06 2017 15:49 sicklucker wrote: it had nothing to do with alignment. my memory thought only scum got some small amount of bonus points for a victory. but then I read the op and it was educated I am not sure if i believe this. | ||
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So why did you claim you will play shitty enough to not receive points? | ||
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If i have misunderstood something in your posts - explain to me how you did say say something else than what i just put into ""s. | ||
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On April 06 2017 11:26 sicklucker wrote: all i can say is i wish i rolled mafia because im more likely to get points but im town sadly "i can't get any points as town  "On April 06 2017 11:26 sicklucker wrote: like 10 points garantees me finals shame wtf? explain. Since my screen says: 1.Holyflare- 105 2.sicklucker- 60 45 != 10. Maybe a mistake but: On April 06 2017 11:28 sicklucker wrote: oh wait i get 10 points for winning as town sweet. lets go even using sick angle shooting skills "I went to read the OP but i still can't figure out 45 is not 10." sicklucker i am looking for a reasonable explanation to this. Can't tell one atm. | ||
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didn't you get the memo in my post? | ||
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On April 06 2017 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...] 45 != 10. Maybe a mistake but: "I went to read the OP but i still can't figure out 45 is not 10." What part of this simple post is hard for you to understand? | ||
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Good night anyways, gotta be at work in 7 hrs. | ||
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On April 06 2017 20:08 sicklucker wrote: I never said that. your putting words into my mouth. Then what did you say? You clearly dont think no town players receive points if town wins because that is just stupid. So you either thought you will play shitty enough to not get points (aka not be amongst the "top" players), or you believed town doesnt win the game. If not, then what did you say? Dont dance around the question, just answer it. | ||
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On April 07 2017 00:09 Calix wrote: My main problem with Koshi right now is how we had to drag out this conversation just to get to these points because he wasn't cooperating. Bullshit. If you dont understand what someone says it doesnt mean this. BTDT is town. Koshi probably too. Shapelog might be mafia but i am not sure. | ||
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Because he said smart thingd about Calix. I am not sure if it makes her mafia though. Doesnt change the fact its smart and very Koshi'esque. You can be town too. This game is gonna be pretty easy. | ||
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I cant say it any clearer. | ||
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Going to elaborate on what i was asked when i get off work. Not gonna write big posts on phone. I think mafia is in sicklucker/Calix/Rels/Shapelog. I am quite confident rest of the players are town. | ||
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 On April 07 2017 06:44 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm fine with Rels, Tumble, Shape, Calix, Koshi lynches apparently and also Rayn lol I don't have townreads apparently I am curious though, why is sicklucker town? | ||
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On April 06 2017 13:47 Tumblewood wrote: because the question has little alignment relevance and he answered why a couple posts later This post is referring to this post on mine: And here is how you explain it later. On April 06 2017 14:16 Tumblewood wrote: he said he wanted 10 points to qualify and that he thought he had better chances of that as scum. but then realized townies would get 10 points with a victory anyway. one of us is clearly not reading and I hope it isn't me Now, what did you think my question for sicklucker in the first place was referring to? If it is - how i meant it - "why do you think you are getting more points as mafia than as town?" , how do you explain your last post as an answer because it has nothing to do with what i asked? | ||
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On April 07 2017 14:23 sicklucker wrote: once again ryan you seem to have tunneled on something completely null and pointless to the game which im ignoring because I believe its completely null and pointless to the game and that makes you think im mafia. Even if you think im mafia im not a day 1 player and if you lynch me day 1 again after saying you dont want to mislynch me trololo. I acualy kind of want this to happen I am trying to understand why you say things you do because it doesn't make any sense to me so can you please jsut answer me? | ||
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I could understand this somehow in some very weird fucking twisting way of thinking, if you preferred mafia over town - but apparently you don't since you just said so yourself... | ||
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On April 07 2017 14:29 sicklucker wrote: if you dont understand it why the fuck are you focusing on it? because when people say dumb shit that doesn't make any sense it usually comes from mafia. | ||
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On April 07 2017 14:32 sicklucker wrote: I already explained I thought the rules were mafia gets 10 points for a team win and town gets 0. a few minutes later a reread the op and clarified. you seemed to have missed this which is what tumblweed is calling you out for here So you hoped to have rolled mafia so it would be more likely to get points. Okay. Why did you think town doesn't win the game? (that would be 0 "victory" points for mafia and 0 "victory" points for town in your mind - assuming you missed the OP). | ||
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You made this post. On April 06 2017 11:26 sicklucker wrote: like 10 points garantees me finals shame This is a post you have made before you, by your own words, read the OP. But the points thingy is not in the OP. It's almost directly above the current standings table. I have very hard time believing you had read the standings table but not the post above. | ||
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Let's talk about something else then. Any reads so far? | ||
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On April 07 2017 14:48 sicklucker wrote: tumble and calix looked townie why calix? | ||
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First of all i cannot think of a mafia motivation for beentheredonethat to ever say what he did. Obviously he didn't read your post but does it make him mafia? No. Because mafia are more concerned about their appereance to other people (generally). Now i COULD understand Calix can think the post is scummy, but she has made this post: On April 06 2017 19:16 Calix wrote: Did you miss the memo about how ALL PLAYERS can do things that 'don't make any fucking sense'? Occam's Razor points to SL not reading the OP properly. This means nothing and going "it doesn't make sense -> mafia" is a simplistic blanket argument that doesn't show any critical thinking. On April 06 2017 19:25 Calix wrote: Again, how is this remotely important? I don't care if it's illogical - how does it actually further mafia goals? Like here she literally calls me out (i dont even know if she's calling me out or not - just read what Koshi wrote about our exchange) for doing the same thing she does here. If you look even just a little bit behind the words in BTDT's post and think about "why would mafia post this?" you should 100% come to the conclusion that it is not alignment indicative at all that he missed your post, and making the post is actually more likely to come from a townie, ESPECIALLY if you think like the green parts here in the quotes say. Now okay, let's assume Calix somehow thinks the post is scummy anyways. She calls the post out. Why doesn't she place a vote? After that she called BTDT out for: On April 06 2017 20:04 Calix wrote: >thinks Koshi is worth a push >does nothing to make this happen Strong. Now does she think the post is scummy after all? Either she thinks it's not (and therefore should just be ignored instead of being called out), or she thinks it is, in which case she should by her own logic place a vote on BTDT. She does neither. What gives? Like what i see here is standard mafia "let's call out bad posts and see if anyone else picks that up and starts pushing townies" play. I can't really explain it in any other way. Same thing with the earlier conversation with me. Same thing in another conversation with Koshi. She isn't trying to even figure out our alignments, she is just throwing shit on "bad posts" and hope someone picks up on them and calls them mafia -> aka does the dirty work. | ||
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What about Shapelog? | ||
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On April 07 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote: So I stand corrected in that Shape did post some "reads" but I find this post to be so confusing for such a relatively simple read explanation. I also think it's odd that Shape says btdt is more towny than Calix but has spent a considerable amount of thread capital defending Calix imo. It just feels off. The time I lost to scum!Shapelog was when he did posts like this that were super convoluted and I lost motivation to read them after 3 sentences. That's kinda how I feel so far with his play. A few town reads, meh scum reads (including a couple "this is weird, this is off" type sentences @ thanks ritoky for the guidance) and posts like this that are kind of semi-serious but maybe not really that seem like ez hedging opportunities later on to say "well that was just a joke" or "that was actually serious!" In my experience, Calix is a cocky bugger no matter her alignment, so I don't know what her tone has to do with the price of eggs. On the Flipsid3, I agree that Koshi's "clear" of Tumble is super premature imo; feels quite a bit like what he did last scum game when he "cleared" Calix very early on and then NK'd her. I think this is one of the best posts in the thread (Shapelog part at least) and sums up my thoughts on Shapelog. | ||
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Yeah Tumblewood can be town. | ||
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On April 07 2017 15:45 Koshi wrote: I also don't like the last post. It felt bad. I don't understand? | ||
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On April 07 2017 16:02 Koshi wrote: I am not sure. It started with btdt saying he found my entrance scummy and then Calix jumping on that... And then it became something ugly. I don't think the conversation in itself was impossible to be mafia on mafia. It had odd moments. Well the main thing that makes it not-so-hard-to-fake is that it ends up in... nothing. | ||
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On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote: Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol. This is actually pretty weird Calix says this because in the last game she was the only one to make a correct read during that argument. | ||
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This game it's just "bad post" -> couple of questions into -> "you're bad" | ||
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On April 07 2017 17:02 sicklucker wrote: maybe koshi can live today for thinking hes town I don't understand this post. Care to elaborate? Like do you think Koshi is mafia or what? | ||
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On April 06 2017 15:51 sicklucker wrote: haha I can troll ryan and he probably wont mislynch me. feels good man On April 07 2017 14:23 sicklucker wrote: once again ryan you seem to have tunneled on something completely null and pointless to the game which im ignoring because I believe its completely null and pointless to the game and that makes you think im mafia. Even if you think im mafia im not a day 1 player and if you lynch me day 1 again after saying you dont want to mislynch me trololo. I acualy kind of want this to happen On April 07 2017 14:47 sicklucker wrote: Today I watched the movie arrival. This kind of reminds me of a linguist communicating with squid like aliens from another world. Both of us suck at english and can never understand each other Noone writes any of these posts if they don't think / know the other person is town. On April 07 2017 14:26 sicklucker wrote: i just dont think ryans mafia because its just so weird to say im not going to mislynch sl as a mafia. Then he even pushes said person who is town Here he literally calls me town. A moment after i am #3 scum. seemslegitbro. | ||
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Slightly suggest my ass. + noone talks to a non-townread like you did in the other posts. | ||
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On April 07 2017 17:39 sicklucker wrote: ryan is so self centered honestly. I just see other people as more likely town then you. That is not what your posts say. Tumblewood i could get. Probably DF too. Not Koshi. But fine, why did your read on me "change" then? Because for fucking sure you talked to me like i am a townie and that's 100% fucking certain or you dont give any fucks about anyone's alignment in this game (which also makes you mafia) up until this post: On April 07 2017 14:47 sicklucker wrote: Today I watched the movie arrival. This kind of reminds me of a linguist communicating with squid like aliens from another world. Both of us suck at english and can never understand each other so what changed after this? | ||
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"Well you're wrong again dude so staph" instead of "why the fuck are you doing this? are you scum?" You literally deserve -912873 points if you did that as town. | ||
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On April 07 2017 17:48 sicklucker wrote: you say your not gonna lynch me to have something to say. realize you kind of need to lynch me to win the game of mafia. Start calling me scum. not out of your scum range Except that your read went from town -> scum AFTER i started NOT calling you scum. | ||
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##unvote ##vote Calix | ||
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On April 07 2017 17:53 sicklucker wrote: like I was so fucking townie what choice did you have. but now your going crazy again. honestly your so random. Im a very random mafia player myself so I kind of see that as possible mafia playz Koshi you seriously think this is what sicklucker thinks of me as when i am mafia? | ||
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On April 07 2017 17:53 sicklucker wrote: (1) like I was so fucking townie what choice did you have. (2) but now your going crazy again. (3) honestly your so random. Im a very random mafia player myself so I kind of see that as possible mafia playz Like everything is so wrong here. (1) He thinks i could be mafia for this? For me re-evaluating and thinking a townie could be town? In the first place this is a fucking shit argument considering.... (2) ...i went crazy on him already earlier. Why "again" matters???? Why not call me scum (or even think so) earlier? (3) bullllllshiiiitttttt b-b-b-b-b-b-uulllshiiiiettttt.. 100% bullshit. | ||
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well at least i am voting for mafia. | ||
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On April 07 2017 18:45 Koshi wrote: Maybe. The dumb shit doesn't make him mafia. Having an useless filter doesn't make him mafia. Nha. I am ok with sl atm. hopefully you'll get 1/6 right then. goodluck. i can help, just not with vote. | ||
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On April 07 2017 18:52 Koshi wrote: You think that cuz you live in a world in which sl is mafia. I am sorry what did you say? I think btdt is mafia. | ||
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- Forget a guy in your reads list - Make a big case on the said dude just after Mmmm... no. | ||
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On April 07 2017 19:03 beentheredonethat wrote: ok lynch me mr. 100% right and see how it goes How about you explain how you got into this situation since your mr 100% guy is 100% not voting for you? | ||
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You have a scumread on Tumblewood. You have to have had that from veeery beginning (because your case lays out things he did early on in the game - like his entering post). Now i have a hard time figuring out why someone who HAS to have the thought of "this post is scummy" doesnt (1) say that in the first place, or (2) forgets the person COMPLETELY in his first list. I don't care if you were on phone or what the fuck but your #1 scumread is always priority of discussion, always. You "considered" it #9 priority for some reason... | ||
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On April 07 2017 19:08 beentheredonethat wrote: So regarding Tumble: I explained in the last big post why I scumread him. I didn't put him on my list because I simply quoted SL's list and re-arranged some names, which is really hard to do on mobile. My main point with that list was that I am seeing things different then sicklucker does which is why I did not remove the original quote. Being called out on not having Tumble on the list brought me to reviewing Tumble once more, seeing if the read I gave him in my list would be correct. So I filter dived and summarized what he actually did, then drew my conclusions from it. wait so you developed the scumread on him there???? oh god... | ||
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On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote: Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town). Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter. I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault. Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town. First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter. | ||
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On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix? On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about. | ||
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I know the game. +1 iamp fucked up the points super hard lol :p | ||
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So please play mafia. | ||
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On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. Why did you ever townread her? | ||
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On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote: The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now) I've answered the Calix thing. If this is your final answer then you're mafia. Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point. On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread. However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway). I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here. And this read progression doesn't have it. | ||
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On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote: Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"? Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in. | ||
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"Now to the interesting stuff.... wrote exactly 267 words and ~170 we get into the interesting stuff..... yeahhhh... | ||
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On April 07 2017 20:06 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't see you as "equals". I see you and rayn as the guys who keep pushing me and sl as the guy who's mad at me and content in voting for me. Please stop making things up, once more :/ I see rayn pushing me. Please do not make things up. | ||
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stop being a dumbass and play. | ||
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It is sicklucker and Calix. Maybe Shapelog. Maybe. | ||
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do you really think you case of "Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour" is better than this???? Or the thing on sicklucker noone else but me understands ...  | ||
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On April 07 2017 20:37 beentheredonethat wrote: It's not about being better, rayn, it's about where I looked at thus far. I liked the points you linked on Calix and they are one of the reason why I'm townreading you but as of now, I simply haven't looked at Calix in such detail yet. I should of course not tunnel on tumble but he's all I have for now. Given that I've been busy explaining and defending myself the last 3 hours or so, I think that's not a shame. I think you should place some weight on what other people say aswell (aka Calix read from me and Koshi for example). If you wanna tunnel Tumble there is nothing wrong with that. Just keep in mind what other people say, and how other people perceive his play. | ||
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We are lynching Calix. Do not trust Shapelog on anything because Shapelog is probably mafia. He is interested in talking about anything that is not Calix.See how he just dodges talking properly about Calix in every single occasion. Tumblewood is town and we are not lynching him. Neither are we lynching btdt. You two, you really cant see whats going on here? ##unvote ##vote Calix | ||
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On April 08 2017 05:35 Shapelog wrote: How have I been dodging her? Doesnt that go against the sediment that I been defending her as well? You dont wanna touch the case on her even with a long stick. Instead youre more interested in convincing tumblewood of tumblewood being mafia apparently... | ||
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On April 08 2017 05:52 Rels wrote: This game really looks it's gonna be easy (= I'm at exactly the same reads at that page (= I actually take that back since we have two townies lost in translation and one of sicklucker and Shapelog has to be town. So basically 4 townies. :/ | ||
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Although i lol'd at scum framing you. Youre welcome. | ||
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On April 08 2017 06:35 Shapelog wrote: Wait? So I was actually framed????? I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN YOU BEING SCUM THAT GAME!!!! Dude read the scum qt. https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/mw2fmbh5UzgG | ||
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On April 08 2017 06:38 Rels wrote: rayn. About SL. He feels town. He focused on himself and he's not hiding it, and he's focused on his read on you because of it. It doesn't add anything for him as scum. It's not good looking for him. It wastes time that is all. But he's doing it anyway. I think he's town for that. Like his posts when he come back to the thread after leaving is focused on that: and he knows he cannot out arguee you. I think I remember him saying you're the player he fears the most, he said that like one year ago. Doesn'et make sense to try to ou targuee you. Especially since he's not lynched. And he is not trying to change the lynch either. He's mainly talking about your read on him. Thats where i am atm too. But like, i cant just throw it in the trash he says very very irrational things that dont even make any sense timelinewise (see his read on me). | ||
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On April 08 2017 06:56 sicklucker wrote: damn shapelog said some things i would give him another day. but this calix lynch seems too easy and off Why is that? Like everyone is for some reason refusing to even touch the case (which is something you should debunk if you dont think shes mafia). People are just "okay with it". And there is only 2 mafia. Like if shape/tumble/btdt is scum with her how does that "not make sense" or make it "too easy"? Saying something is "too easy" is a shitty reason to not lynch someone especially on D1, especially when there is a decent case noone has debunked. | ||
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On April 08 2017 07:07 sicklucker wrote: I dont really particularity care if calix dies. my town read is not that strong. however theres this shapelog vs tumbleweed thing brewing between the two of them and tumbleweeds obv town here and I want to do everything to protect him honestly and that involves flipping sl as mafia first I can tell you Tumblewood is not gonna get lynched when me koshi and rels are alive. Do yoy dont need to protect him by calling shapelog mafia. If you wanna "protect" him you do it better by voting for Calix. | ||
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On April 08 2017 07:09 sicklucker wrote: shapelog is just the best lynch here by far. he can totally be with calix hell it even makes alot of sense. but if you guys lynch calix first you might do something stupid like lynch tumbleweed I understand you i just dont think hes more likely mafia than Calix is. | ||
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On April 07 2017 18:00 sicklucker wrote: whats your read on shapelog . im more null on him but I just want him to die so I have less pages to read. he gave me bad vibes but thats probably standard Like i cant even tell why you read shapelog as mafia since this is the only thing i can find in your filter and its not a mafia read. | ||
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On April 08 2017 14:08 darthfoley wrote: Why do you consider Btdt to be so unlikely? because dick move analysis. | ||
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Calix (4) - Koshi, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Rels Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog Shapelog (2) - sicklucker, Tumblewood Not Voting (1) - Calix If you think Calix is town here, there is no way this town is going to lync hmafia with this kind of vote count unless you think there is at least 1 mafia in Calix voters. Even if that was the case, why the fuck did none of the non-Claix voters never ever even try to convince other people to vote for anyone else? Like we have three dumb townies in btdt/Shapelog/sicklucker/Tumblewood. Saying "i was okay with Calix lynch" doesn't cut it because by your vote you left an open door for mafia to lynch a townie in case Calix is mafia (which none of you didn't strongly believe - so don't even try to bullshit me on that). Why was your vote where it was? All of you four. | ||
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he wanted to kill himself for no apparent reason and got mad for people not even really wanting to lynch him. It's very unlike to come from mafia. | ||
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Rels also totes had time to do shit in case he is mafia with Calix. You are pushing very unlike things instead of things that are likely to be true. Where did that scumread on Shapelog go? Why are you even entertaining other possibilities if you think Shapelog is mafia since there is only 1 mafia left? | ||
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On April 08 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote: Yeah, I double checked. When Rels voted, he made it 4v2 in Calix vs. Tumble, he could've made it 3-3. Rels was already around when my vote wasnt on Calix if i remember correctly. sicklucker saying Rels wouldnt even try to save Calix is totally absurd because Rels is a player who can produce thread pull easily in three hours. | ||
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First thing is that he came out of me - sicklucker argument looking wayyyyyy better than Calix did. Basically Tumblewood had a clear view of hos wthings went and he was actually trying to do something instead of calling posts bad. Secondly i do not think both mafia attack me like that, since usually that never happens. Anddd it's a slippery slope since i usually get more accurate reads from the arguments towards the people who i am NOT arguing about (like here it would be not sicklucker but instead Calix and Tumble). The third thing is the whole townread on Calix he got from the argument doesn't make any sense if they are mafia together since you'd know that's a very shitty read - and you can get called out for it. I think it is just way more likely he saw Calix "mindmelding" with him and thought it makes her town. | ||
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On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote: no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix Actually this is a very very bad post. | ||
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Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning. | ||
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On April 07 2017 01:24 Shapelog wrote: Well lets move on from this then (since this is a stalemate) Outside of Calix world, how do you feel about the rest of the pot. On April 07 2017 05:20 Shapelog wrote: Indeed she doesn't. You can infer she has a issue with Koshi, but that is it in reads. BTDT read went away after the misunderstanding post and then the koshi stuff started. Not enough to flip my view on her though, especially with the time. On April 07 2017 05:50 Shapelog wrote: Wow i'm slow. It actually took Darth's comment about the reads for me to figure out the majority of koshi's stance/points. I see what he means with the suck up thing, but i fully agree still with it. The other stuff does make some sense now looking at it. Does actually help clear up koshi's mindset rn for me over calix. On April 07 2017 06:47 Shapelog wrote: I cant now think about the conversation seriously now because im laughing bc im picturing that instead with the posts. How is any of this alignment-indicative? ELI5. It is because it doesn't make any fucking sense. But how does that make it mafia?? Because it doesn't make any fucking sense. So here is the conversation between Shapelog and Koshi about Calix. First post "let's do something else". Other posts "i understand Koshi but it doesn't make Calix mafia". Now let's assume Shapelog believes what he writes there. Then it goes into this: On April 08 2017 02:29 Shapelog wrote: Where I am at kinda. Honestly feel like I am missing something tbh Suddenly Calix is mafia?!?!? That's not what he said before and Calix certainly didn't make any posts to change his mind. So where did the change of mind come from? I know one answer... "I don't wanna look bad if Calix flips but i don't really want her to flip". And this gem: On April 08 2017 03:00 Shapelog wrote: Yeah, after the explanations on the points koshi's had (banana example) and Ryan's I dont mind Calix being lynched. Personally I rather have tumblewood and do think some players are giving him the pass. Rereading time. Read the post where he quotes Koshi's post he is talking about. How is any of this alignment-indicative? ELI5. It is because it doesn't make any fucking sense. But how does that make it mafia?? Because it doesn't make any fucking sense. Not alignment indigative -> It makes her mafia for no apparent reason. Basically tho totally different outcomes from a same post. Very likely mafia. Furthermore somewhere between there i made a post where i wrote very clearly what Koshi meant and took it even further by backing it up with some other things as well. Shapelog never touches the case, never talks about it, never. Then he places a vote on Tumblewood for this: On April 08 2017 03:16 Shapelog wrote: #Vote: Tumblewood Like I said I am fine with either or. I just prefer tumblewood over Calix at this point. Just looking at his read on you: He keeps stating your bad town, but keeps hedging/options open on you. I think the most damming of it all is the one with the explanation of how righteous you are means a newer scum wouldnt fit you. But then says you are in limbo, after calling you bad town. First of all this is a bad case. Second of all this case is nowhere near as good as the case on Calix. Basically Shapelog's case here is "Tumblewood cannot make a decision on btdt's alignment". That makes Tumblewood mafia? | ||
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On April 08 2017 23:47 Shapelog wrote: Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with. Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense. Your day 1 case on Tumblewood has nothing to do with anything related to Calix' alignment so where did that case go? It doesn't make him mafia anymore? How much did you actually believe in your case on D1 if you're so eager to drop it just because someone else flipped something? | ||
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He has had original thoughts. "Throw shade on" is just another way of saying "doesn't have a conclusion on players alignment. In a same way i could say you "threw shade" on Tumblewood D1.... Actually considering your read on him now you did that way more than he did, since you never even commited to a vote before Calix was ACTUALLY starting to look like she's getting lynched and after the vote you started convincing Tumblewood that he is mafia (which is literally super dumb in the first place). So there is that. I wasn't talking about pre-association. I was talking about the fact that your read changes based on stuff that should not affect the read at all because based on your case on Tumble, nothing Calix did means anything regarding Tumble's alignment. Nothing Tumble has done since should change your opinion on him (because he hasn't posted anything since the flip). Basically you are evaluating same evidence and coming to a completely different conclusion before. That's not unlikely to come from twon, the unlikeliness comes from the fact you have a 8 page filter, you were active almost all the time, yet you couldn't come to this conclusion earlier and indirectly defended Calix who flipped mafia by calling Tumblewood scum and making a case on him. I don't really understand how this very simple thing is so hard for you to see and why you try to twist it around. | ||
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On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote: no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix I would still like to hear from Tumble that how on earth is this a good reasoning to place a vote on someone over another person. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. [QUOTE]On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote: This went dumb real quick. Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol.[/QUOTE] I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. [....] [/QUOTE] I find it very unlikely Shapelog as town doesn't comment on my case on Calix in any way after saying the above. Since this: [QUOTE]On April 07 2017 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: [QUOTE]On April 06 2017 20:41 Calix wrote: Has that cleared everything up? I don't fancy a repeat of disfo/ Xatalos/ Damdred/ Calix where a misunderstanding gets dragged out to epic proportions, lol.[/QUOTE] This is actually pretty weird Calix says this because in the last game she was the only one to make a correct read during that argument.[/QUOTE] ....is something that is 100% true and was back then. Easily provable, and early on Shapelog's townread on Calix was mostly based on this and the opposite conclusion he came to. Yes, he later on changed or "changed" the read, but he never really commited to it in any way and i kinda don't believe Shapelog believed his case on Tumblewood was better than the case on Calix. | ||
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On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. [....] I find it very unlikely Shapelog as town doesn't comment on my case on Calix in any way after saying the above. Since this: On April 07 2017 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is actually pretty weird Calix says this because in the last game she was the only one to make a correct read during that argument. ....is something that is 100% true and was back then. Easily provable, and early on Shapelog's townread on Calix was mostly based on this and the opposite conclusion he came to. Yes, he later on changed or "changed" the read, but he never really commited to it in any way and i kinda don't believe Shapelog believed his case on Tumblewood was better than the case on Calix. | ||
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On April 10 2017 21:40 Rels wrote: That I don't find Shape's filter particulary scummy, but not townie either and everyone else is town. I meant the cordial interactions with Calix. Which ones do you mean? | ||
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On April 11 2017 05:36 darthfoley wrote: Fair enough. I still don't see why "calix's interactions with btdt make it unlikely they're together" cuz don't mafia often pressure each other early D1 and then back off (which is what she kinda did) It is not "they interacted with together and ended up not calling each other scum", it's more of how the interaction went, especially from btdt's side. Like usually when mafia interacts with mafia and it ends like this both people know what they are doing, right? They have a plan and they know where it ends, in the end. I think it's highly unlike when Calix "ends the interaction" btdt just keeps going on and going on with it. Also that was the one of the interactions that made btdt "sad" a bit later in the game. Why would he get sad for that? He had just achieved what he wanted to as mafia. | ||
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On April 08 2017 05:06 Tumblewood wrote: if rels is mafia then the mafia have as much thread pull as one townie. they cannot really decide wagons. if there are two active mafia, they can work together to make sure the lynch is neither of them, and unless they fold hard (unlikely given the quality of players) that will probably be true at deadline. unfortunately I can't make a read based on that if there is a 25% chance it's not true What does this post mean? You assume if Rels is mafia here mafia cannot have thread pull with one player but they can if Rels is not - with two players especially given the quality of players. Can you elaborate more on what you mean here? If the quality of players is "bad" as you seem to be saying, why can't 1 mafia make a difference and produce amounts of thread pull? Calix (2) - Koshi, darthfoley Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog Rels (1) - Tumblewood Sicklucker (1) - raynpelikoneet beentheredonethat (1) - sicklucker Not Voting (2) - Calix, Rels Here is the votecount at the time you made the post so how on earth could "one mafia definitely not produce enough thread pull especailly with the quality of players"? | ||
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On April 11 2017 20:51 Koshi wrote: Eeuhm. I played super active and I was the catalysator of the Calix lynch. I identified she was mafia before you people had a clue, pushed her, and told you why she was mafia. Multiple times, over multiple pages. The sucking up to rayn was legit. I only didn't play at night & D2. And I was able to lurk there a bit because you guys were slow as fuck. But it doesn't matter, I was 100% ok with the Shape lynch. It is not my job to make this game anymore. I already earned MVP for the Calix push D1. But due to having it already I will let you people fight for it. If you think I should be lynched... Sure thing. Townies literally cannot play better than I did in the first 42 hours I was in the game. So go lynch me and proof you are all worthless. I gave you 1 mafia. Go find the second. If I am still in your PoE for some reason go find a head doctor. This is not a good attitude Koshi. Please help me. | ||
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On April 11 2017 21:07 Koshi wrote: I read Shape his filter and this was fucking gold. wp Shape. I think this is not what makes Rels mafia in case he is mafia here. Like fucking literally Rels doesn't HAVE TO do this if he is mafia, he doesn't have to townread sicklucker for this reason. Why do you - as mafia - townread people for reasons you don't have to????? You are supposed to push mislynches to win games, not townread possible suspects (which sicklucker definitely was because he was defending Calix on D1).... Why does mafia!Rels do what Shapelog claims here? I don't care if it seems irrational, i care about why the fuck does someone who is actually goosd at this game as scum do that???? | ||
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On April 11 2017 22:00 Koshi wrote: Just make sure your last posts give a clear direction for tomorrow rayn. Rels/Tumble/btdt/df And if you have time and didn't already do it. (I didn't read the previous 100 hours carefully yet), can you give me your opinion on how likely it is df is brilliant mafia that just made a couple but really good quality posts. If darthfoley's play from what the last game (him as mafia) was has suddenly gone like 100% different then yes he could be mafia, but no. | ||
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On April 12 2017 00:08 Koshi wrote: It is true what you say but I think Rels just made the correct play to survive. Calix was made. Same could be said about you and me too... And i don't think i am mafia and i don't think you are mafia. | ||
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On April 12 2017 01:29 darthfoley wrote: I don't think the same could be said considering you, koshi and I were the ones who applied a lot of pressure on Calix. More than just early D1 feeler pressure. By the time Rels came in that pressure, and her crumbling, was already set in stone. I don't think the two situations are comparable Well i could make a case on Koshi if i wanted to. Easily. But its not likely. After all this is about probabilities and while anyone COULF be mafia, i think about who does what and how likely it is to come from mafia. I would say from my experience 65% likely Rels tries to push someone else than votes for Calix D1 as mafia when he came to thread. | ||
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On April 12 2017 01:42 Koshi wrote: cuz rayn can figure shit out. I noticed last game. It took him till D4 but it happened I think rayn is an OK night kill for Rels to make. Especially because Rels maybe not have seen me play. Because I was afk the time he was here. And was going to be afk for another 48 hours. So yeah. rayn was an ok kill. Actually it was D3 but Onegu had to go before lylo and asap. | ||
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On April 12 2017 01:54 darthfoley wrote: When Rels voted for Calix it was 3 Calix 2 TW (TR by basically all of Calix wagon at the time) 1 Rels 1 Shapelog The thing here is; Lets say Rels is mafia. He has about 3.5hrs before deadline. Every player on Calix scumreads Shapelog. Sicklucker scumreads Calix (soon to vote for him). If you are mafia!rels what do you do? (1) just drop your vote on Calix? (2) try to convince basically every townie that their other scumread is scum instead of Calix. It's not even a question of will he succeed in (2), it's a question of if you do (1), can you ever win? You dont know the setup, someone who is not rayn/koshi/df is a cop and its gg if Calix dies. If someone is blue its 90% gg. Which route you take? If you have even 20% chance to convince 1 person of the other three who already scumread Shapelog Calix most likely lives. And that is NOT even taking account Calix' vote. I personally think Calix decided she's dead and not to post only after Rels voted. Because without Rels' vote, whoever is mafia with her, its not a disaster yet. | ||
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On April 11 2017 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is not "they interacted with together and ended up not calling each other scum", it's more of how the interaction went, especially from btdt's side. Like usually when mafia interacts with mafia and it ends like this both people know what they are doing, right? They have a plan and they know where it ends, in the end. I think it's highly unlike when Calix "ends the interaction" btdt just keeps going on and going on with it. Also that was the one of the interactions that made btdt "sad" a bit later in the game. Why would he get sad for that? He had just achieved what he wanted to as mafia. This is the reason i am 100% sure btdt is town. I have now tried to read his filter for line 10 times and i always stop here and think "nonononono fuck no this dude is not scum regardless of what he says after acting like this"... | ||
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On April 12 2017 03:05 sicklucker wrote: Yes rels would suck up to me. so if hes making up reads for that it makes him mafia Wouldnt sucking up to you here be voting for Shape? | ||
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On April 12 2017 03:02 sicklucker wrote: ryan you say rels didnt have to defend me as mafia or w/e. but meta wise he would 10000% suck up to me as mafia Maybe. But on D1 sucking up to you would be voting for shape. I dont think him calling you town n1 makes him town, i understand he can kill me and then go "SEE RAYN SAID SL IS SCUM". | ||
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On April 12 2017 03:47 sicklucker wrote: Like sucking up and defending me is one thing. but hes not going to go against koshi and ryan to save his partner as mafia unless he has a chance which he didnt. calix didnt even post im sure she probably conceded in qt Did you even read what i wrote before on that matter? | ||
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On April 12 2017 03:48 sicklucker wrote: also rels is a busser. like if I were to scale him form 1 -1 0 from does not like to bus to likes to bus hes like a 9 or 10 on this site Gimme games plz. I read them if i am alive. Until then lynch Tumblewood. Read plz and dont be stuck on narratives. | ||
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There was nothing spectacular in the fakeclaim. Sure it was good but nothing spectacular and had been done before number of time. Totally disagree with mvp. Even if the claim saved every nk if you dont manage to suspect a single mafia until lylo you are not the one who carried the town, ever. Koshi mvp. DF played really well too. | ||
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Town played really bad this game. So mafia played super fucking terrible and killed themselves then? Since MVP couldn't ever figure out single mafia. | ||
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On April 25 2017 08:39 iamperfection wrote: oh who do you think it should have been then Okay, i am curious iamperfection. Could you tell me the following: How could i have been MVP in this game? Nobody except for me understood what Koshi was saying regarding Calix on D1. I voted for Calix when there were two opposing wagons in a situation of 2-2-2 (and one of the votes on Calix was from her scumbuddy). Rels was still afk at that time and while he could understand Koshi's case, it is not 100% sure what Rels would have done. My vote on Calix not only put her as a leading wagon, but when both me and Koshi - the most experienced players in the game - vote for the same player with the same case it at least should ring some bells in people's head. The game - votewise - at that point was a mess. Rels soon after that figures what is the best case on D1 basically sealing the lynch. Now we go into D2. We have darthfoley who had bussed his teammate in a way that makes him 100% not a D2 lynch. And it was just not his vote on Calix, it was also his case on Shapelog who at the time looked most likely to be Calix' scumbuddy, not only for me but for every single player in the game!! There is no way anyone ever reading this game not knowing the alignments lynched darthfoley on D2, that is just impossible, because his D1 was super strong. Even if you have the town full of best mafia players on earth you don't lynch darthfoley on D2, ever. Because you can't make more convincing case on him than on anyone in the game except maybe for me and Koshi (and sicklucker after the fakeclaim). So basically, there is no way the town lynches mafia on D2. I died N2 and unfortunately didn't have much time. I had figured out btdt is town at that point. I never read the game after i died except for figuring out Rels is town too early D3. So tell me this iamp; What should i have done better to get MVP over a dude who basically did nothing except for was wrong besides his fakeclaim - which is something anyone (except for me since i was quite likely shot on N1) could have done if they were quick enough to post before sicklucker did? How could i have played better than i did? For me (or for anyone) to be MVP in this game - in your opinion - it would have required: - Lynch Calix D1 -> can easily be done. - Lynch darthfoley on D2 -> this one is 99,9% impossible I mean like.. In your opinion, for example i should have played a perfect game of mafia to get MVP over a guy who: - made a fakeclaim probably 30% of the people can easily make if they have a chance to do the same - voted for mafia 0 times whole game. Like literally, sicklucker had a chance to hammer darthfoley on D4, but instead he decided to hammer his townread Tumblewood. On April 17 2017 09:32 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Tumblewood On April 17 2017 09:53 iamperfection wrote: Day-4-Count: Tumblewood (3) - Koshi, sicklucker, darthfoley beentheredonethat (0) - darthfoley (2) - beentheredonethat, Tumblewood Not Voting (0) - Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread will count. The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00). (btw the votes are in wrong order since sicklucker voted for TW after darthfoley did) And then he even said after the game "wow i suspected df before it was cool". Yeah, for one post, and then he went back to btdt being more likely mafia into hammering his townread TW instead of his apparent scumread df..... Maybe sicklucker just says and does different things in the game than he after the game thinks he did, who knows.... Had sicklucker (or anyone) figured out darthfoley is mafia on D3 and seriously trying to push him or something i could totally accept him being the MVP. But in the first place, sickluckers fakeclaim, while good play, is nothing spectacular, especially when he didn't figure out any scum - hell he didn't really do anything in the game besides being confirmed town for his claim. Making a cute play doesn't win the game, finding mafia wins the game. And well... Every player in the game barring Shapelog (and even this is questionable since D1 ended one hour early and i doubt Shapelog is lying about thinking of changing his vote onto Calix since he was town) "found" more mafia than sicklucker did (Tumblewood and btdt both voted for darthfoley D4 at EOD). I mean, if your criteria for being MVP is "make one good play that doesn't even net mafia and then you can just be wrong all game" and to win that other people should play a perfect game of mafia then i really don't know what to say man.. my 2c | ||
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On April 25 2017 16:47 Rels wrote: I felt the same way when I was killed N1 in th second qualifier when I had the game solved, like Koshi in the first; but Koshi got doc saved, pushed the game forward and got MVP, while I got killed and got 10 points. I understand that it's hard to judge people that get killed early, but the system is flawed. This is totally different though because sicklucker (or anyone) didn't have the game solved in any way, ever -- until lylo. Thanks to darthfoley's good(?*) play. I put the ?* there because it can be doubted if the "better" (more likely to win overall) way to "deal with" D1 was to try save Calix and yolo (aka to bank on her coming back and save herself after D1) forwards. That remains unknown, the fact darthfoley played a really good game doesn't. | ||
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Harshly said; even if he stopped all the mafia night kills (which also require Koshi to play well here), who cares if he cannot lynch mafia? | ||
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On April 25 2017 16:48 Rels wrote: TBH I played horribly this game p: Koshi got Calix to react in a really scummy manner and that made D1 easy. You were too lazy after D1. D1 you did the oly thing you needed to. | ||
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On April 25 2017 16:59 Rels wrote: I see what you mean. SL's play was good though. Basically sealed the deal for town Yes it can be said he gave the ammo. But other people shot the enemy. He shot only allies. And it was not like we couldn't get the ammo ourselves. So like... pfff, that's why i disagree with the decision of the MVP. | ||
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Lynching mafia wins the game. Even if you produced 20 mislynches the town doesnt win if you dont lynch mafia. It really is that simple. | ||
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Chances to lynch correctly has nothing to do with who played well aka lynched correctly... I am seriously super puzzled about the fact that there are players - even good players - who dont consider lynching mafia the best "trait" for a townie... Well this discussion doesnt get anywhere anyways. | ||
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