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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 03 2017 05:24 GMT
#5
/in
will move to obs if infatuation fills up first
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 05 2017 03:29 GMT
#34
/confirm
this should be easy because no one signed up till sunday
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 01:33 GMT
#60
aww yeah let's get this started
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 01:45 GMT
#66
this is exciting
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 01:49 GMT
#69
i had forgotten what it was like to play with shapelog
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 02:25 GMT
#73
THANK YOU MR HOST BUT YOU'RE DISTRACTING ME FROM THE INTENSE GAME OF MAFIA I'M PLAYING
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 02:27 GMT
#77
On April 06 2017 11:26 sicklucker wrote:
like 10 points garantees me finals shame

goin straight for mvp baby
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 02:31 GMT
#81
On April 06 2017 11:28 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 11:25 Tumblewood wrote:
THANK YOU MR HOST BUT YOU'RE DISTRACTING ME FROM THE INTENSE GAME OF MAFIA I'M PLAYING

Talking to a mafia qt does not take that much work Tumbledore.
excuse me
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 03:45 GMT
#88
On April 06 2017 11:56 darthfoley wrote:
Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods!

it is ok to abandon this joke, no one will think less of you for it
On April 06 2017 11:59 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 10:45 Tumblewood wrote:
this is exciting


was our last game exciting?

no. i prefer games where no one posts anything
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 04:14 GMT
#90
hi rayn do you actually care about what you just said?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 04:47 GMT
#93
On April 06 2017 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let me rephrase my question:
Why do you think i would ever answer "no" to that regardless of my affiliation?

because the question has little alignment relevance and he answered why a couple posts later
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 05:16 GMT
#95
On April 06 2017 13:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You cannot possibly know how much alignment relevance the question has. Where did sicklucker say why he is more likely to get points as mafia than as town?

he said he wanted 10 points to qualify and that he thought he had better chances of that as scum. but then realized townies would get 10 points with a victory anyway.
one of us is clearly not reading and I hope it isn't me
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 14:54 GMT
#230
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 15:03 GMT
#232
On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.

I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time.

Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy


How is that post scummy?

"I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do.

this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen
- btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise
- (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game)
- btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise)
- btdt does not push koshi
but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 16:44 GMT
#260
On April 07 2017 00:52 Koshi wrote:
Tumble is obvious town.
Tumble pls explain your mindmeld pls.

idk where you're getting obv town already but as for the mindmeld:
reading calix attack btdt was like watching my own thoughts as I read his posts. our thought processes just lined up really well
I feel like I'm just explaining what a mindmeld is but there's not much more to say
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 16:48 GMT
#261
On April 07 2017 01:09 Shapelog wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
How does the post make him scummy (cba to reopen filter from calix

On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?

Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc.

On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:
Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it.

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On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?

Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc.

It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I.


If you think that, where is your vote...?

On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:
Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it.

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On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?

Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc.

It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I.


If you think that, where is your vote...?



Versus:

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.

I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time.

Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy


How is that post scummy?

"I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do.

this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen
- btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise
- (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game)
- btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise)
- btdt does not push koshi
but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now


If anything, Tumble's post is a TLDR of Calix's train of thought/posts/points that were spread out during that time. Which if he was mafia, could easily be faked if need be.

well yeah because calix was making good points and it seemed like they went over everyone's heads
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 18:07 GMT
#287
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something

how bout you do something first and I do something about that something
(I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.)
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 18:12 GMT
#288
thinking shape is also town. but that read depends a lot on the progression of the thread
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 18:44 GMT
#295
On April 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something

how bout you do something first and I do something about that something
(I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.)

The main difference between us two is that I actually do something: I interact with people (i.e. making myself readable), I drop reads, I push here and pressure there, and I try to stay reasonable.

You do nothing.

nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 19:03 GMT
#298
On April 07 2017 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:
thinking shape is also town. but that read depends a lot on the progression of the thread


I was able to find two. What's the third?

duh when I called you bad town. you are so righteous
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 19:04 GMT
#299
On April 07 2017 03:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's not hard to give town reads. Are you in for some scumreads?

maybe when I decide I don't like someone
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 06 2017 21:44 GMT
#338
the worst part of all of this is that I did a bunch of meta research on rels before coming into this game. and now it's all useless.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 02:44 GMT
#348
##vote rels
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:22 GMT
#352
On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument.

hi I checked your filter and 100% of your stuff since sl entered is about sl's entrance post. so I guess my question is what do you hope to get out of pressing on that one post
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:24 GMT
#354
and also why aren't you voting him after all that?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:28 GMT
#362
On April 07 2017 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had a question for you Tumblewood. Here is the post in question:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 13:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 06 2017 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let me rephrase my question:
Why do you think i would ever answer "no" to that regardless of my affiliation?

because the question has little alignment relevance and he answered why a couple posts later

This post is referring to this post on mine:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 06 2017 11:26 sicklucker wrote:
all i can say is i wish i rolled mafia because im more likely to get points but im town sadly

why is that?

And here is how you explain it later.
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On April 06 2017 14:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 06 2017 13:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You cannot possibly know how much alignment relevance the question has. Where did sicklucker say why he is more likely to get points as mafia than as town?

he said he wanted 10 points to qualify and that he thought he had better chances of that as scum. but then realized townies would get 10 points with a victory anyway.
one of us is clearly not reading and I hope it isn't me


Now, what did you think my question for sicklucker in the first place was referring to?
If it is - how i meant it - "why do you think you are getting more points as mafia than as town?" , how do you explain your last post as an answer because it has nothing to do with what i asked?

it does? you asked why he thought that, and then I said "no he thought that and then realized he was wrong and changed his mind". and I thought it was a pointless line of questioning because it was so plainly obvious.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:29 GMT
#365
On April 07 2017 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you can't jsut say something that makes absolutely no sense at all and then brush it off by "you're tunneling something completely irrelevant". That's not how this game works and you very well know it so just play the fucking game or don't join if you are not going to play.

ok but in this case it is irrelevant and it does make sense to everyone but you
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:30 GMT
#366
On April 07 2017 14:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
Lynching sicklucker is also fine. Im not thinking hes town.

also my spidey senses are going off on this. *pending further unspecified action*
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:33 GMT
#373
On April 07 2017 14:30 sicklucker wrote:
fuck you tumblewood that post was within 2 seconds of mine

fun fact: earlier today I refreshed the thread after it had been dead for a couple hours and found a new rayn post posted 1 second before I refreshed
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 05:46 GMT
#386
On April 07 2017 14:42 sicklucker wrote:
also I made a mental note to never suck up to tumbleweed when im mafia because he gets super paranoid. not whats happening here :D. Right tumbleweed. but is that not what I would say as mafia?


[image loading]

idk man you are truly unreadable and infinitely mysterious on d1. wouldn't make any judgments yet eh
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 14:24 GMT
#648
what the hell
so I check in frequently for 24 hours and no one posts, and then when I'm sleeping everyone spams the shit out of everything. fuckin euros
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 14:25 GMT
#649
anyway I saw this question from 10 pages ago
On April 07 2017 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where did your townread on him come from in the first place (Tumble)?

if you mean btdt, it's because he is super self-righteous even when he is saying something bad and wrong. especially from newer scum I would expect more careful consideration
I am waiting to see what he does next though because he is in limbo right now
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 14:26 GMT
#650
or more like did next...
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:01 GMT
#705
Shapelog bugs me. he's kinda bad and wordy/confusing but that's kinda normal for him, but usually when he does that he gets lynched and I don't think that's happening here
he still could be town but I don't really wanna lynch anyone who is not him or rels
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:06 GMT
#709
On April 08 2017 04:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
I like Shape's posts. They seem to make sense. Then again they also seem to always summarize what others do/did and they might lack original value.

I'm too tired right now to really dive Shape's filter and check but it might be an incentive for [insert whoever is willing to do the work]

but they're all him deliberating for seven paragraphs to ultimately reach a waffly conclusion and not say anything interesting
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:08 GMT
#713
On April 08 2017 04:05 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 04:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Shapelog bugs me. he's kinda bad and wordy/confusing but that's kinda normal for him, but usually when he does that he gets lynched and I don't think that's happening here
he still could be town but I don't really wanna lynch anyone who is not him or rels

So you want to lynch me because others are scum reading me but are not lynching me, which is out of my control?

Because the rest you hedge on.

yeah, basically. in theory scum could frame you and I would be none the wiser. but afaik that has never happened ever so idc
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:10 GMT
#714
it sounds bad but it is the only way I have had success reading shape
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:12 GMT
#716
I feel super arbitrary doing this but move btdt to the town category. it makes sense that way
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:18 GMT
#719
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 19:51 GMT
#722
On April 08 2017 04:26 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow

isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes?

Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic?

I think you can usually figure out whether the lynch is on town or scum in the hour before, based on wagon logic
if there is only one active scum that goes down the drain
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 20:06 GMT
#725
On April 08 2017 05:01 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 04:51 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:26 Shapelog wrote:
On April 08 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote:
shiiiiiit all my vote logic falls apart unless we know what alignment rels is
I could believe 6/7 people posting are town
tomorrow

isnt the point of voting logic figuring out people's alignment based off the votes?

Regardless if rels votes or not or knowing his alignment, Why cant you do vote logic?

I think you can usually figure out whether the lynch is on town or scum in the hour before, based on wagon logic
if there is only one active scum that goes down the drain

I disagree strongly,

Yes you typically can guess one hour before flip in some cases, but in this one. We only have 2 mafia. So if Rels is mafia, there is still one mafia who is either afk OR actively misleading town.

If you assume that Rels is mafia, and suspect one person is actively misleading town, then you still have one person actively misleading town. The fact that Rel's is afk makes no difference to the fact that that person is still messing up town. Therefore, you can still do voting logic I.E. looking at when someone vote. Who took what wagon etc.

Saying you cant find the other person (or I guess in your case, make more points against me) is far from reality.

if rels is mafia then the mafia have as much thread pull as one townie. they cannot really decide wagons. if there are two active mafia, they can work together to make sure the lynch is neither of them, and unless they fold hard (unlikely given the quality of players) that will probably be true at deadline. unfortunately I can't make a read based on that if there is a 25% chance it's not true
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 20:09 GMT
#726
On April 08 2017 05:03 Shapelog wrote:
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...]

the point is not to find the other person. (not before the flip, anyway.) the point is I feel super badass whenever I use wagon logic to call a lynch, and theoretically we could even switch off town to scum
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 20:15 GMT
#729
On April 08 2017 05:13 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:09 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 08 2017 05:03 Shapelog wrote:
EWOP:
Saying you cant use it to find the other person [...]

the point is not to find the other person. (not before the flip, anyway.) the point is I feel super badass whenever I use wagon logic to call a lynch, and theoretically we could even switch off town to scum

Are we just talking about wagon logic or Voting logic? Bc when you say voting logic my mind goes to VCA and that jazz?

Also fighting over glory?

wagon logic. like, "are the people one this wagon good," and, "are they town," and, "how strongly do they believe in it"
(and the glory thing is why I like doing it. also because votes are less nebulous than tone)
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 20:18 GMT
#730
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)

have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)

not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 20:26 GMT
#733
oh hey it's rels
(what would I possibly be voting him for other than afkness?)
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 07 2017 22:00 GMT
#769
On April 08 2017 05:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
the worst part of all of this is that I did a bunch of meta research on rels before coming into this game. and now it's all useless.

?
First, why are you not keeping that for later when I start posting stuff ?
Second, if you really did that research why do you not know that I'm NEVER motivated to play at the beginning of the game ? Lots of game I AFK half of D1 or more.

(re: part 1) I am? I haven't told anyone what my current method of reading you is
(re: part 2) that is not quite true. plus a lot of the time when you afk you give the impression that you have no time to play, not that you are unmotivated
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 08 2017 00:36 GMT
#788
no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 08 2017 00:43 GMT
#791
rayn it's ok you're getting your lynch anyway
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 08 2017 17:47 GMT
#882
I'm buying pretty hard into the shapelog/calix mafia team. just seems like the logical solution to the game
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 08 2017 23:20 GMT
#900
On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog


something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog

yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 09 2017 07:17 GMT
#937
ez game ez life
##vote shapelog
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 09 2017 21:59 GMT
#992
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 09 2017 22:56 GMT
#993
flying into London soon. this deadline is about to go from amazing to terrible
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 10 2017 14:24 GMT
#1021
On April 10 2017 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote:
no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix

I would still like to hear from Tumble that how on earth is this a good reasoning to place a vote on someone over another person.

lynching shapelog *at some point* felt more inevitable, meaning it was less likely to be a wasted lynch. I think you pointed out some vca thing why vote logic said I should always go for calix, and you were probably right, but it turns out that didn't matter anyway.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 10 2017 15:10 GMT
#1023
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 10 2017 20:21 GMT
#1028
On April 11 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:
On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog


So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?

there are one and a half fatal assumptions here
one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable


Why is it highly improbable?

idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't.
plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 11 2017 10:16 GMT
#1058
On April 11 2017 15:19 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)

have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)

not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt


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On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog


something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog

yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green


When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon?

yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 11 2017 22:38 GMT
#1135
On April 11 2017 20:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 19:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 11 2017 15:19 darthfoley wrote:
On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)

have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)

not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt


On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog


something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog

yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green


When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon?

yeah everyone on the calix wagon moved up when she flipped scum. and btdt looks even worse after that shitty i-don't-want-to-vote-shape-but-##vote:shapelog post.

Coming back to this, talking about the first part of your sentence: you're just repeating what Shape said (and what I said), only exchanging names. You're saying "scum is in the people who did not vote for Calix". Which is what everyone said before, some (including me) elaborated more on that, others didn't.

Only difference is that you moved me from "don't lynch" to "scum" while moving Rels to the town pile althoug he didn't do anything. Anything. At all.

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect

How has Rels "put himself into a position" when the lynch was very clearly on Shapelog? There was no way to not have the lynch on Shape D2. And Rels continued not playing over the course of D2, so how do you imply any sort of activity here?

You're basically saying "Rels did nothing but I townread him now because Shape flipped and Rels had nothing to do with Shape flipping" and use this to finalize your scumread on me.

It just doesn't make sense.


>.<
maybe "does enough things" is a bad and arbitrary way to measure rowdiness frequently not even indicating alignment
and maybe scum would put themselves in a position to start pushing a different townie after a mislynch by having them as a secondary scumread
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 09:57 GMT
#1152
On April 12 2017 16:29 Koshi wrote:
Tumble and Rels , can you both please make a case on each other?

like, on why he's scum? you're gonna have to convince me first, because I'm only like 50% sure
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 21:41 GMT
#1163
what do you mean my read change was never explained? when calix flipped scum everyone on her wagon went up and everyone else went a little down. someone even asked me about it and I said that's why
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 21:45 GMT
#1164
anyway there's not much intelligent stuff to say about rels because once he shows up he's only 'there'. I don't remember him actually pushing anyone (if we do not count vote + explanation as a push). and rarely shows up, anyway.
the fact that he was on calix's wagon is kinda eh because he busses a lot, and so does everyone on the site really
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 21:47 GMT
#1165
but I do not like this situation where it is me or rels and then the other one dies after. because there is still like a 50% chance it is someone else
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 21:56 GMT
#1167
and btdt I don't know where rels is "doing things" in his filter that I'm not. like if not 'contributing' to the game makes me scummy then rels is twice as bad. because half his posts are about how he's going to / not going to play, and the other half are reaffirming the shapelog lynch, and all of them are idle
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 21:57 GMT
#1168
oh hey btdt you're just in time
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 22:15 GMT
#1170
On April 13 2017 07:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 06:56 Tumblewood wrote:
and btdt I don't know where rels is "doing things" in his filter that I'm not. like if not 'contributing' to the game makes me scummy then rels is twice as bad. because half his posts are about how he's going to / not going to play, and the other half are reaffirming the shapelog lynch, and all of them are idle

I'm not saying he's doing things though.

ok but you have ragged on me all game for this reason. and yet rels is doing it but even worse and you're still voting me? that's what I don't get
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 12 2017 22:19 GMT
#1171
going to sleep so if you can explain it sometime in the next 8 hours that would be cool
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 07:30 GMT
#1212
hey koshi guess what
I don't need your shit
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 07:31 GMT
#1213
like who else even did anything on d2? that was a foregone conclusion and I was feeling pretty fuckin complacent to boot
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 07:34 GMT
#1216
On April 13 2017 07:58 Koshi wrote:
You just started your 4th page of filter and the first post on your 3rd page is from the 7th of April. And from that point it is all low content nothing possible AI posts.

Pretty sad. If you are town you are not even trying to put pressure on the mafia.

you just started your 9th page and your first 7 and a half pages are from the 7th of april
tsk tsk

aight now I can concentrate
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 07:39 GMT
#1218
df is kinda not on the table for me. but koshi might. I tend to always townread him even when he's scum and this game I'm not even that impressed
the only productive thing I can do rn is dig up bad rels posts though
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 07:56 GMT
#1220
data costs me $2 a megabyte right now so I will not be posting, but I have downloaded all of rels' filter (thinking I should download Koshi's, too...) and I will try to construct a good post or the outline of a slam dunk post while I am out
current state of affairs:
rels 60% - idk, unimpressive in all ways, kinda PoE but I wish it weren't
koshi 25% - kinda tilted but there is some legit paranoia mixed into this read. I think we wrote him off too early.
btdt 10% - the more I talk about it the more I remember why he is town
df 5% - just in case
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 22:26 GMT
#1243
ok b-b-boiiiiizzzzzz let's get this started.

exhibit a: sl
I don't remember the exact terminology but rels' read that I have always seen for so is looking for a particular burst of posts that shows he really cares about the game. in comparison, his read on sl from this game:
He focused on himself and he's not hiding it, and he's focused on his read on you because of it. It doesn't add anything for him as scum. It's not good looking for him. It wastes time that is all. But he's doing it anyway.

(which is also sl every game, and rels knows this)

exhibit b: justifications
rels does not really hunt for reads, consider, and then vote. it goes make the read, and justify it while voting. notice with the shapelog lynch, rels makes the read but then over the day justifies it a couple times, even though it was always a foregone conclusion.
also with me: he effectively wrote me off, but then as soon as he needed to he came up with a post of reasons why I should be lynched, not only limited to PoE. kinda a numbers thing but rels justifies first much more as scum

exhibit c: questions
rels is a 1/10 on the inquisitive scale this game. occasionally asking for clarification, but no pressure and no desire to actually gain more information, which is a big part of his town game

i hope not too much has changed in the last 14 hours b/c I wrote all this without seeing anything new
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 22:27 GMT
#1244
fuck at least 10 pages must have been created
I was hoping to sleep after posting this
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 22:30 GMT
#1245
oh we had more pages than I thought
I don't quite know why Koshi changed his mind? but I'll take it and question in the morning
if you all randomly decide you want to kill me again try to save it for later. but last will lynch rels but keep an eye on koshi. I haven't seen anything in particular from him but y'know, sleeper scum and all that so stay paranoid
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 13 2017 22:31 GMT
#1246
I really hope I'm not wrong on this. because then we lose AND i'll have to reevaluate everything I thought I knew
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 14 2017 07:16 GMT
#1252
god dammit
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 14 2017 07:17 GMT
#1253
and now I don't even know who to try to lynch
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 14 2017 07:48 GMT
#1255
On April 14 2017 16:30 Koshi wrote:
I could actually doubt it is TW but w.e. Let's lynch him I guess

???
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 14 2017 08:11 GMT
#1256
I'd put it at like 80% Koshi 20% df. just read through df's filter and there really isn't anything scummy at all but idk it could be him
probably not though. gotta give it the old college try with koshi
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 14 2017 22:12 GMT
#1263
On April 15 2017 04:55 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2017 17:11 Tumblewood wrote:
I'd put it at like 80% Koshi 20% df. just read through df's filter and there really isn't anything scummy at all but idk it could be him
probably not though. gotta give it the old college try with koshi


So you're still committed to btdt and SL being town?

yup. if they're town then everything I know is wrong and I really can't afford to deal with that reality in this situation
probably going to write you off too. even if I thought you were scum there is 0 material to case you with
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 15 2017 08:50 GMT
#1268
oh fuckin yeah
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 15 2017 08:54 GMT
#1269
lynch the fuck out of me I don't care
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 15 2017 19:41 GMT
#1297
On April 15 2017 20:41 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2017 04:54 darthfoley wrote:
Why are btdt and Koshi lamenting how it might not be TW but that they have to lynch him? What is forcing you to have to do that?

Also btdt why does Koshi bussing feel fucked up? I just don't understand the language behind that. You're basically conceding a loss if Koshi bussed. Idk i just don't understand the recent play in the thread. Like SL and I seem to be the only ones considering any possibilities outside of TW. Feels especially "fucked up" considering scum!Koshi or scum!btdt only need one ML to win.

This post is bad because it nowhere shows that you have been in this game paying attention. It's a summary of 1 page and you have forgotten all other things.

it is a good post b/c it calls you two out for some scummy/bad shit
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 15 2017 19:42 GMT
#1298
On April 15 2017 23:58 sicklucker wrote:
tumble if your mafia concede plz i wanna know if one of these bastards are mafia

not
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 15 2017 19:46 GMT
#1299
I guess it's df? I think? it still could be btdt I suppose but it doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
one thing I've gotta ask: sl, Koshi, how did you know what the other was doing without a qt to coordinate it? like why did Koshi not yell about a fakeclaim?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 15 2017 21:38 GMT
#1305
On April 16 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 01:49 darthfoley wrote:
Targeting SL makes no sense from Tumblewood's perspective tbh. PoE it has to be btdt uinless SL is god tier mafia

Killing the doctor is not in the interest of the last scum? Ok.

I wouldn't kill sl, but that's just because if I kill him or df then whoops I suddenly have 2 votes unswervingly going against me. if anyone I'd probably have killed you
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2017 07:57 GMT
#1333
On April 16 2017 12:50 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2017 16:56 Tumblewood wrote:
data costs me $2 a megabyte right now so I will not be posting, but I have downloaded all of rels' filter (thinking I should download Koshi's, too...) and I will try to construct a good post or the outline of a slam dunk post while I am out
current state of affairs:
rels 60% - idk, unimpressive in all ways, kinda PoE but I wish it weren't
koshi 25% - kinda tilted but there is some legit paranoia mixed into this read. I think we wrote him off too early.
btdt 10% - the more I talk about it the more I remember why he is town
df 5% - just in case



wait wut?

why foley over btdt what changed?

I realized most of the things I thought I knew were wrong
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2017 07:57 GMT
#1334
On April 16 2017 12:59 sicklucker wrote:
well reading tumble reads filter he just makes up reads or does not right down when or why they change which is not really helpful

that is how I roll
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 16 2017 16:21 GMT
#1341
hey all I've got a couple minutes at my layover. flying back to the land of cheap data so once I land I'll have an hour or so before deadline to yell at people as needed. if you don't mind I'd like the chance to win while alive
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:00 GMT
#1405
yo I'm here and ready to yell at people
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:08 GMT
#1406
is anyone here?
cause first of all stop this. secondly sl don't throw by lynching me then btdt. btdt is an unfakeable level of righteous this game and like 90% town
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:10 GMT
#1407
if sl or koshi comes back by deadline:
first of all I am already past my longest time alive as scum
secondly my filter is kinda shit but you've really gotta rethink your standards, because I die like this every game
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:11 GMT
#1408
btdt is definitely the hero of his own story and that def makes him town
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:14 GMT
#1410
ugh wish I'd been here 20 minutes earlier
if we lose I blame it on the pilot
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:16 GMT
#1411
On April 17 2017 10:13 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2017 10:11 Tumblewood wrote:
btdt is definitely the hero of his own story and that def makes him town


what does this even mean

it is obvious from the way btdt posts that he sees himself as a sort of glorious crusader
like how he got offended at being called good town. scum!btdt takes that and rolls with it, because bad town is bad. but btdt is mad because he thinks he's on the right track
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:17 GMT
#1412
df I appreciate it but can you transform into someone else
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:22 GMT
#1415
On April 17 2017 10:20 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2017 10:16 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 17 2017 10:13 darthfoley wrote:
On April 17 2017 10:11 Tumblewood wrote:
btdt is definitely the hero of his own story and that def makes him town


what does this even mean

it is obvious from the way btdt posts that he sees himself as a sort of glorious crusader
like how he got offended at being called good town. scum!btdt takes that and rolls with it, because bad town is bad. but btdt is mad because he thinks he's on the right track


what has his track been? He hasn't been on any sort of track

you are missing the point. his actual track doesn't matter. but he really thinks he's solving the game
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:23 GMT
#1416
On April 17 2017 10:19 sicklucker wrote:
no im here prop still lynching you

i thought you were my friend
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:23 GMT
#1417
but will you at least promise me you'll lynch df tomorrow
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:26 GMT
#1419
make koshi promise, tonight
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:27 GMT
#1421
probs a good thing you won't be alive tomorrow
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:27 GMT
#1422
On April 17 2017 10:26 sicklucker wrote:
i hope your town so my soul reads are not 0-2 but this feels like the play considering my options

i am
ugh
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:28 GMT
#1425
On April 17 2017 10:27 sicklucker wrote:
like your telling me the last mafia of the three is the guy that was first to vote and push mafia made the most sense all game and had the same ideas as me. fuck that ill take my chances

congratulations you have found the good player but not the town
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:28 GMT
#1427
On April 17 2017 10:28 sicklucker wrote:
damn can i even hammer df

yes pls
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 17 2017 01:29 GMT
#1428
gg then
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
April 22 2017 18:18 GMT
#1519
oh look we won
gg town. thanks for carrying me. at least 4 people played really well this game so kudos to them
at least i was right once this game
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